THE Evolution Thread

[Learner]

Humans must of had some real "imaginations" back then - so much so that they apparently painted creatures that resemble dinosaurs in caves. Some ancient people's carved similar creatures out of stone. As irony would have it...little did they know, the creatures that they painted 'in likeness' to dinosaurs, actually existed.

And of course T Rex and brontosaurus pairs were on the Ark...

Eggs-actly that would be at least according to the scriptures.

 

[Ford]

 

[bilby]

Humans must of had some real "imaginations" back then - so much so that they apparently painted creatures that resemble dinosaurs in caves. Some ancient people's carved similar creatures out of stone. As irony would have it...little did they know, the creatures that they painted 'in likeness' to dinosaurs, actually existed.

Did they, indeed?

Can you post some pictures of these painted "creatures that resemble dinosaurs", or of the stone carvings of the same, as evidence?

Or are we supposed to just take the word of whomever you are foolish enough to trust, who told you this nonsense that you regurgitated here in blissfully ignorant confidence that we would take your word for it?

How much do you need to squint to make these images "resemble" dinosaurs, by the way?

And do they "resemble" the actual appearance of dinosaurs as we now understand it, or just the appearance of dinosaurs as we used to envisage them?

 

[ideologyhunter]

But weren't dinosaurs used by early man as construction vehicles? (See The Bedrock Excavations: A Glimpse into a Startling Past, Smithsonian April 2023.)

 

[steve_bank]

Humans must of had some real "imaginations" back then - so much so that they apparently painted creatures that resemble dinosaurs in caves. Some ancient people's carved similar creatures out of stone. As irony would have it...little did they know, the creatures that they painted 'in likeness' to dinosaurs, actually existed.

And of course T Rex and brontosaurus pairs were on the Ark...

Eggs-actly that would be at least according to the scriptures.

It is like dealing with children.

 

[pood]

In evolution news, Bonobo Communication Reveals a Stunning Kinship to Human Speech. The suggestion is that the compositionality of bonobo and human communication dated to our last common ancestor and perhaps earlier. Cool stuff.

 

[DLH]

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[steve_bank]

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'Theoretical skeptic atheist nightmare', how does that fit in with being a theist? Is that derived from the bible? Is tat what Yahweh tells you to be?

As a theist what is the difference between a theist and an atheist?

 

[steve_bank]

Three engineers are denting who designed human bodies.

One says it must have been an electrical engineer, look at how the nervous system is wired.

Another says it must have been a mechanical engineer, look at the muscles and bones.

The third says it had to have been a civil engineer, only a civil engineer would route liquid waste disposal through a pleasure center.

An old joke.

 

[pood]

That;s the thing, the human body isn’t all that great, it’s a kludgy mess of ad hoc exaptations with a genome full of junk. Precisely what you’d expect from a blind process and not from an infallible creator.

 

[Learner]

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Pardon me DLH, I should have said non-Christian (if that's correct).

 

[Learner]

Three engineers are denting who designed human bodies.

One says it must have been an electrical engineer, look at how the nervous system is wired.

Another says it must have been a mechanical engineer, look at the muscles and bones.

The third says it had to have been a civil engineer, only a civil engineer would route liquid waste disposal through a pleasure center.

An old joke.

The joke must have been sub-consciously influenced by the 'trinity' concept. All three having a part.

Thank the heavens the thoughtful civil engineer didn't route liquid waste coming out of our ears or noses.

 

[Learner]

That;s the thing, the human body isn’t all that great, it’s a kludgy mess of ad hoc exaptations with a genome full of junk. Precisely what you’d expect from a blind process and not from an infallible creator.

Depending on how you understand the theology. According to the biblical context. The world is fallen, but despite all that - the "simple" cell...is remarkably not so simple at all.

 

[pood]

That;s the thing, the human body isn’t all that great, it’s a kludgy mess of ad hoc exaptations with a genome full of junk. Precisely what you’d expect from a blind process and not from an infallible creator.

Depending on how you understand the theology. According to the biblical context. The world is fallen, but despite all that - the "simple" cell...is remarkably not so simple at all.

So?

 

[bilby]

That;s the thing, the human body isn’t all that great, it’s a kludgy mess of ad hoc exaptations with a genome full of junk. Precisely what you’d expect from a blind process and not from an infallible creator.

Depending on how you understand the theology. According to the biblical context. The world is fallen, but despite all that - the "simple" cell...is remarkably not so simple at all.

So?

Anyone who thinks cells are "simple" must be simple themselves.

Back in the '80s, my Molecular Cell Biology textbook (I think it was imaginitively entitled "Molecular Cell Biology", or something similar) was the size of a telephone directory (remember those?), and was just a basic undergraduate primer on the broad topics.

Biology has been described as "complex chemistry", and given the difference in scale between molecules and cells, you can fit a shitload (if you will forgive my use of a technical term) of chemistry into a cell.

A large protein, such as a haemoglobin complex, masses about 64,000 Daltons, which is about 10^-19g. A red blood cell (one of the smaller and simpler mammalian cells) masses about 3x10^-11g, so about 300,000,000 times as much.

Three hundred million molecules is a lot (but is a very significant underestimate of the number of molecules in a red blood cell, which are mostly water molecules massing around 18 Daltons, or about one 4,000th of the mass of a haemoglobin molecule).

A good ballpark guesstimate would be that there are in the order of between one hundred and five hundred billion molecules, of a bewildering variety of types and sizes, in any given cell (and even more in the larger cells, of course) - all interacting dynamically with each other and with the outside world, in highly complex ways.

That's your "simple cell", right there. About ten times as many molecular interactions as there are humans on Earth.

 

[pood]

That;s the thing, the human body isn’t all that great, it’s a kludgy mess of ad hoc exaptations with a genome full of junk. Precisely what you’d expect from a blind process and not from an infallible creator.

Depending on how you understand the theology. According to the biblical context. The world is fallen, but despite all that - the "simple" cell...is remarkably not so simple at all.

So?

Anyone who thinks cells are "simple" must be simple themselves.

Back in the '80s, my Molecular Cell Biology textbook (I think it was imaginitively entitled "Molecular Cell Biology", or something similar) was the size of a telephone directory (remember those?), and was just a basic undergraduate primer on the broad topics.

Biology has been described as "complex chemistry", and given the difference in scale between molecules and cells, you can fit a shitload (if you will forgive my use of a technical term) of chemistry into a cell.

A large protein, such as a haemoglobin complex, masses about 64,000 Daltons, which is about 10^-19g. A red blood cell (one of the smaller and simpler mammalian cells) masses about 3x10^-11g, so about 300,000,000 times as much.

Three hundred million molecules is a lot (but is a very significant underestimate of the number of molecules in a red blood cell, which are mostly water molecules massing around 18 Daltons, or about one 4,000th of the mass of a haemoglobin molecule).

A good ballpark guesstimate would be that there are in the order of between one hundred and five hundred billion molecules, of a bewildering variety of types and sizes, in any given cell (and even more in the larger cells, of course) - all interacting dynamically with each other and with the outside world, in highly complex ways.

That's your "simple cell", right there. About ten times as many molecular interactions as there are humans on Earth.

From this, we can infer that Santa Jesus cobbled together the cell in his miracle Toy Shop in the Sky, attended by a retinue of angels, elves and reindeer.

 

[steve_bank]

That;s the thing, the human body isn’t all that great, it’s a kludgy mess of ad hoc exaptations with a genome full of junk. Precisely what you’d expect from a blind process and not from an infallible creator.

Depending on how you understand the theology. According to the biblical context. The world is fallen, but despite all that - the "simple" cell...is remarkably not so simple at all.

'depending on how you understand theology', that is exactly the point.

When it comes to understanding evolution there is not much wiggle room. Genet cs, DNA. fossil records.

There are gaps in the fossil record. For a critter to become fossilized required a set of conditions. It depends on where and when it died.

Simple vs complex is a human view, limitations of our tiny squishy brains. The universe is what it is, nothing mysterious about it.

 

[pood]

More ‘evidence’ of intelligent design shot down by science

Wherein we learn from new findings how much BS Behe’s irreducible complexity is.

 

[bilby]

More ‘evidence’ of intelligent design shot down by science

Wherein we learn from new findings how much BS Behe’s irreducible complexity is.

"Irreducible complexity" is just a lack of imagination, humility, and intelligence.

It takes an incredible arrogsnce to say "I can't think of a way this could have evolved, therefore it couldn't have evolved".

Using the exact same BS, I have reached some startling conclusions:

Nobody can fly an aeroplane without getting lessons from an existing pilot.

The Wright brothers* had no existing pilots to teach them; Therefore God must have specially created the Wright brothers with the innate ability to fly a plane.

It gets better; A violin is useless unless someone exists who can play the violin, so a musical instrument maker would not build one until a violinist exists to buy it. But nobody can learn to play the violin, until they have one to play.

Violins and violinists must therefore have been specially created by God in the C16th.







*Orville and Wilbur Wright, who built and flew the first successful heavier than air flying machine, not to be confused with the Righteous brothers, who merely lost that lovin' feeling.

 

[pood]

Enshitiffication Analysts Lament Recent Lack of Enshitiffication of ‘THE’ Evolution Thread

IIDB (Internet News Service) — Citing the growing danger that a thread intended ostensibly to discuss evolution might actually begin to discuss evolution and become interesting, Internet enshitiffication analysts on Wednesday wondered when, or even whether, the systematic enshitiffication of the thread would resume.

The thread, entitled THE Evolution Thread, “started out promisingly when the poster who began the thread posted a lot of shit about Jehovah, biblical ‘kinds’ and Adam and Eve, but lately it has descended into comments about evolved bonobo speech compositionality, junk DNA, and evolved cell complexity,” noted Daniel X. Creta, an enshitiffication analyst at the RAND corporation. “If this keeps up the thread might actually become good, which would be bad for the internet enshitiffication analysis industry.”

Other experts cautioned, though, that the nascent analytics industry had little to fear given the booming growth of the new AI hallucination industry, wherein Large Langue Models (LLMs) firehose a whole shitload of shit all over the already shitty internet.