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THE Evolution Thread

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"Far from going to the stake for a Great Truth, I wouldn't even miss a meal for it." -H. L. Mencken
 
“A fossil?! A fossil isn’t a kind.”
No one said it was. Tiktaalik is a species — a real animal that lived, died, and left fossilized remains. What matters is what its anatomy tells us: it had scales and fins like a fish, but also lungs, a neck, and wrist bones — features of four-limbed land animals. That’s not just a fish. That’s a transitional species between “kinds.”

A Tiktaalik is one thing. What other thing did it become?
 
A Tiktaalik is one thing. What other thing did it become?

It didn’t become something else in a single leap, like a Pokémon evolution. That’s not how evolution works. No individual turns into another species overnight. Populations change slowly over generations. Traits accumulate. Forms diverge. What starts as a fish ends, step by step, as a land-walking tetrapod. Tiktaalik is one of those steps — a transitional species — not theory, not abstraction, but an actual fossil with features of both aquatic and terrestrial life.

It had fins and scales like its ancestors, but also lungs, a neck, and wrist bones like its descendants. It didn’t “become” a land animal — but land animals descended from creatures like it. That’s the entire point. That’s how evolution works.

Frankly, it was good advice from Jarhyn to tell you to study up on how evolution actually functions — because if you had, you wouldn’t be sitting here making me explain the absolute basics. You’d already understand why this question is loaded, and why the answer dismantles the distinction your argument depends on.

You’re not revealing a flaw in the evidence. You’re revealing that you don’t know what the evidence is for.

Tiktaalik doesn’t need to “become” anything else to expose the contradiction. It already is the contradiction: a fossil that bridges two biblical “kinds” your theology says must be separate.

And no amount of repeating “But what did it become?” changes that.
It already became a problem —
for your worldview.

NHC
 
A Tiktaalik is one thing. What other thing did it become?

It didn’t become something else in a single leap, like a Pokémon evolution.

Okay. When did it become something else, excluding Pokemon?

That’s not how evolution works. No individual turns into another species overnight.

Okay. It doesn't matter to me how long it takes.

Populations change slowly over generations. Traits accumulate. Forms diverge. What starts as a fish ends, step by step, as a land-walking tetrapod. Tiktaalik is one of those steps — a transitional species — not theory, not abstraction, but an actual fossil with features of both aquatic and terrestrial life.

It had fins and scales like its ancestors, but also lungs, a neck, and wrist bones like its descendants. It didn’t “become” a land animal — but land animals descended from creatures like it. That’s the entire point. That’s how evolution works.

Frankly, it was good advice from Jarhyn to tell you to study up on how evolution actually functions — because if you had, you wouldn’t be sitting here making me explain the absolute basics. You’d already understand why this question is loaded, and why the answer dismantles the distinction your argument depends on.

You’re not revealing a flaw in the evidence. You’re revealing that you don’t know what the evidence is for.

No, you're assuming that the evidence means one thing when it doesn't.

Tiktaalik doesn’t need to “become” anything else to expose the contradiction. It already is the contradiction: a fossil that bridges two biblical “kinds” your theology says must be separate.

And no amount of repeating “But what did it become?” changes that.
It already became a problem —
for your worldview.

Let me explain something to you again. And I would like for you to listen to me.

It doesn't matter to me what science says. Ever. About anything. I have no problem when science, or anything else presents an alleged problem with my worldview.

So again, show me when it became something else without assuming that the evidence that you have doesn't imply it did, but rather, where it did. Can you do that? You see the difference? The difference is faith. Speculation.
 
Tiktaalik is a transitional fossil from swimming fish to land-dwelling, walking vertebrates. The main point being that under your biblical definition of “kinds” that don’t change except for minor microvariation, this fossil should not exist at all. Nor should all the other transitional fossils we have found, including an essentially complete record of the evolution of the whale from a land mammal over 13 million. But they do exist. Their very existence proves the biblical kinds are wrong.
 
A Tiktaalik is one thing. What other thing did it become?

It didn’t become something else in a single leap, like a Pokémon evolution.

Okay. When did it become something else, excluding Pokemon?

That’s not how evolution works. No individual turns into another species overnight.

Okay. It doesn't matter to me how long it takes.

Populations change slowly over generations. Traits accumulate. Forms diverge. What starts as a fish ends, step by step, as a land-walking tetrapod. Tiktaalik is one of those steps — a transitional species — not theory, not abstraction, but an actual fossil with features of both aquatic and terrestrial life.

It had fins and scales like its ancestors, but also lungs, a neck, and wrist bones like its descendants. It didn’t “become” a land animal — but land animals descended from creatures like it. That’s the entire point. That’s how evolution works.

Frankly, it was good advice from Jarhyn to tell you to study up on how evolution actually functions — because if you had, you wouldn’t be sitting here making me explain the absolute basics. You’d already understand why this question is loaded, and why the answer dismantles the distinction your argument depends on.

You’re not revealing a flaw in the evidence. You’re revealing that you don’t know what the evidence is for.

No, you're assuming that the evidence means one thing when it doesn't.

Tiktaalik doesn’t need to “become” anything else to expose the contradiction. It already is the contradiction: a fossil that bridges two biblical “kinds” your theology says must be separate.

And no amount of repeating “But what did it become?” changes that.
It already became a problem —
for your worldview.

Let me explain something to you again. And I would like for you to listen to me.

It doesn't matter to me what science says. Ever. About anything. I have no problem when science, or anything else presents an alleged problem with my worldview.

So again, show me when it became something else without assuming that the evidence that you have doesn't imply it did, but rather, where it did. Can you do that? You see the difference? The difference is faith. Speculation.

You’re saying “show me when it became something else,” but you’ve already said that no amount of evidence will ever matter to you. You just admitted, word for word:

“It doesn’t matter to me what science says. Ever. About anything.”

That’s not a challenge. That’s a surrender — wrapped in defiance to save face. You’re not looking for truth. You’re telling us up front that nothing will ever count. And when someone brags that no amount of observation, data, or reasoning could ever touch their belief, they’re not making a point — they’re making an excuse to stop thinking.

Now let’s get to your demand:

“Show me where it became something else — not implied, but demonstrated.”

That’s exactly what transitional fossils like Tiktaalik do. They don’t “imply” transition — they show it. That’s what transitional anatomy is: part fish, part land animal. That’s not a guess. It’s bones. Structures. Predictive power. It’s what evolution expected to find — and did.

When we look at fossil layers and see fish, then Tiktaalik, then early tetrapods, then amphibians, reptiles, mammals, us — that’s not speculation. That’s a record. It’s the “where.” It’s the “when.” It’s the map your worldview says can’t exist. And it’s written in stone.

The only “faith” here is yours — the kind that proudly ignores evidence, rejects reality, and calls that certainty. That’s not strength. That’s fear wearing dogma like armor.

So no — this isn’t about whether I can show you where change happened.
This is about the fact that I already did —
and you told us it wouldn’t matter if I showed you ten thousand more.
And with that, you disqualified yourself.

NHC
 
So no — this isn’t about whether I can show you where change happened.
This is about the fact that I already did —
and you told us it wouldn’t matter if I showed you ten thousand more.
And with that, you disqualified yourself.

Stop making this about me and your presentation will improve by 100%

Now let’s get to your demand:

“Show me where it became something else — not implied, but demonstrated.”

Right. Show me. Not based upon your assumptions, but observations.

See, what you really need to do for my purpose is show me that God didn't create this thing just as it is rather than show me that you think it "transitioned" or whatever else.

I'll tell you one of the reasons that it is important. The Bible says and people think that Jesus died on a cross. That he went to hell. You understand? What one person says the cross and hell is might not be what another says. The Bible may use the word cross or hell but what does that mean? I can tell you Jesus died on the cross and went to hell but what does it mean? Can I assume that or have I observed it? All the leading Biblical scholars may think that but that doesn't mean anything to me. I may consider what they say but how does it hold up with my own examination?

The only way you can do that in a way that I will accept is to show me. What did it become? Because my position is that evolution means change and it can't change into something else.
 
Its very existence violates it.

That's what you want to think. That's what I want to think too, if you show me. You can't show me though, because it's only what you want to think.

Did you see my offer of Bible study?
 
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So you came here to preach, not to "discuss." You had no intention of understanding evolution, or even science. You just wanted to come here, declare that you (and the Bible) are the sole source of truth on the matter, and were (and still are) arguing in bad faith. Arguing just to turn around, pat yourself on the back, and say "I won that round, too."
 



Let me explain something to you again. And I would like for you to listen to me.

It doesn't matter to me what science says. Ever. About anything. I have no problem when science, or anything else presents an alleged problem with my worldview.
Well, I listened, and it's beyond crazy. You're using technology to tell us that science doesn't matter to you, ever, about anything. You might as well be living in 400 BCE. For some reason known only to you, you're pontificating on evolution, the composition of Noah's ark, taxonomies of the animal kingdom, etc., and continually demanding EVIDENCE, which you now state, baldly, that you don't care about. Your stay here has been one long burlesque, because you never wanted what you demanded.
If you care nothing whatever about "science" -- any science? -- are you throwing out physics, the germ theory of disease, astronomy, all of it? In that case what's stopping you from tasting electricity by sucking on an extension cord? Jumping off a housetop to see if you can fly? Jumping into a furnace to see if Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were just pulling your chain? Drinking out of puddles when you're thirsty?
Please feel free to ignore this post, which is meant purely as a show of support to those online who took you seriously enough to answer your challenges with specific and appropriate responses. In 44 words, you have just stated that you were never sincere about your demand for good scientific evidence, that it means nothing to you, and that your goal -- apparently -- was to waste everyone's time.
 
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Internet Rando Admits He Started Evolution Thread Not to Learn Anything Because He Doesn’t Care and Did You See My Offer of Bible Study?

IIDB (Internet News Service) — A key internet rando on Friday admitted he started a thread about evolution because he didn’t want to learn anything about it and doesn’t care anyway, but did you see my offer of bible study?

The rando, with the user name DLH, had started a thread entitled, “THE Evolution Thread,” and when given multiple examples of evolutionary change over time including speciation, posted, “It doesn’t matter to me what science says. Ever. About anything.”

In the face of all the evidence presented to him, the rando defaulted to his stated belief that an ancient mythological war deity in a book of fairy tales created the world and all its inhabitants as “kinds” that can never exhibit phenotypic change.

“It’s always fascinating when some internet rando disparages — or says he is bored by — the very scientific and technological methodologies than enabled him to post his embarrassing lack of knowledge on an internet message board in the first place,” noted E. Mota Kahn, an internet tracker at the RAND Corporation. “Especially when they do so in an arrogant, condescending, insulting and sometimes even vaguely threatening way — such as by saying, ‘piss off, twat’ during an earlier exchange, and, in another thread, by observing: ‘Keep slandering me and let’s see what happens.’”

“The fascination is compounded when the same poster admits he has no interest in the subject matter of the very thread that he started,” Kahn added.

To clarify his position, the rando later added in a separate post, “Did you see my offer of bible study?”

At press time, no one had taken him up on his offer of bible study.
 
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