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Found on Twitter, from someone in past administration:

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rousseau said:
Found on Twitter, from someone in past administration:

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Pretty much what I was thinking.

The setup you saw in the campaign, where Trump is setting himself up as the only arbiter of the 'truth' is going to become presidential policy.

If anything goes against him, it was 'rigged'.

If anyone accuses him of something criminal or unethical and provides proof, "They're lying".

Any vice is a virtue.

Welcome 1984 only a few decades late.
 
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The answer to 1984 is 1933

an aside, what is physically wrong with Steve Mnuchin?
 
One of the many things that puzzle me about evangelical support for Trump is how utterly and willfully blind they are to his many obvious flaws of character and morality, particularly that he has cheated on all of his wives. But none puzzle me quite so much as his obvious messiah complex and the willingness of evangelicals to embrace him saying that he is the only one who can (save the US--btw, damn the rest of the world.) It is so antithetical to everything I learned in Southern Baptist Sunday school and church when I was a kid. To me, it's jarring, the amount of disconnect. I cannot even call it cognitive dissonance because there is no cognition involved. Politically, I have serious disagreements with many/most of my extended family but generally, I can find areas where we share strongly held common beliefs---Golden Rule kind of stuff, do unto others, family is important, love, honesty, hard work, etc. Trump seems to be the antithesis of all of that--although he seems to have affection for his family. I see it. It boggles my mind that evangelicals do not, will not, cannot.
 
15 minutes in and it is a rant against the misuse of the Hegelian Dialectic. People voting for Trump because Hillary is bad and reverse.

He calls Trump very immoral.

maybe he is saying that synthesis never happens. The elites control the argument (framing) and people are stuck in the right-left paradigm.

Calls out Repubs for being pedophiles. funny stuff.

He has confused the Hegelian dialectic with David Icke's Problem-Reaction-Solution. PRS is really overplayed, but I think it does happen to a degree.
 
The basic mechanism employed by Trump (and WP, not coincidentally)

"When we are overwhelmed with false, or potentially false, statements, our brains pretty quickly become so overworked that we stop trying to sift through everything."

The problem is that no matter how well we understand this dynamic (the article does a fair job of describing it), we still victimize ourselves. No amount of conscious effort to counter the effects of our own human nature results in the ability to "know the truth".
 
Garry Kasparov has an insightful perspective on this. Here are some quotes from his Twitter feed:

Garry Kasparov said:
Obvious lies serve a purpose for an administration. They watch who challenges them and who loyally repeats them. The people must watch, too.

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Misinformation is a numbers game. There is only one truth, but the number of lies is infinite. Quantity can easily overwhelm quality.

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"Record grain and steel production in the Soviet heartland again!" Little lies build immunity to big ones.

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https://twitter.com/Kasparov63
 
Elixir said:
The basic mechanism employed by Trump (and WP, not coincidentally)

"When we are overwhelmed with false, or potentially false, statements, our brains pretty quickly become so overworked that we stop trying to sift through everything."

The problem is that no matter how well we understand this dynamic (the article does a fair job of describing it), we still victimize ourselves. No amount of conscious effort to counter the effects of our own human nature results in the ability to "know the truth".
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Do you realise that it was a Democrat who said if you can't convince them, confuse them; not Trump as far as I know. Another Straw Donkey.
 
Gary Whatshisname's quote "disinformation is a numbers game" comes to me as the (George) Carlinian quote about "too much stuff". Look at all the stuff. Stuff, stuff everywhere. Out there in the imaginary world, where we take showers, pet our dogs and work our jobs... and also inside the internet, which happens to be the real world, where the numbers accumulate. Everything we repeat in our minds (while the imaginary world unfolds). The flashing of the stuff alone is enough to destroy our minds.
 
You are being a real petty dumbass whichphilosophy, picking up on a little detail that has zero do with this thread.

You should be press secretary.

The quote is about how politicians maneuver. Being a politicians is central not the party. You are a black and white mindless drone. Can you have original thoughts?
 
whichphilosophy said:
Do you realise that it was a Democrat who said if you can't convince them, confuse them; not Trump as far as I know. Another Straw Donkey.
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If you can't convince them, confuse them, came from Harry Truman (D).
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Do you realize that it was a criticism of Republicans who used the ugly strategy of alternating lies to confuse people? http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/12/02/confuse-them/

Aren’t you the guy that was going on about the importance of the contexts of Trump’s statements?

But here you saw a cartoon that had quote-mined Harry Truman and quickly latched on with no regard of the original context.

Quote Investigator said:
On September 18, 1948 Harry Truman spoke in Dexter, Iowa, on the occasion of the National Plowing Match. He lambasted his political antagonists, and mentioned the adage while accusing them of guile. Here is an excerpt from the transcript in the official public papers of Truman: 6

On the one hand, the Republicans are telling industrial workers that the high cost of food in the cities is due to this Government’s farm policy. On the other hand, the Republicans are telling the farmers that the high cost of manufactured goods on the farm is due to this Government’s labor policy.

That’s plain hokum. It’s an old political trick. “If you can’t convince ’em, confuse ’em.” But this time it won’t work.
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Toni said:
One of the many things that puzzle me about evangelical support for Trump is how utterly and willfully blind they are to his many obvious flaws of character and morality, particularly that he has cheated on all of his wives. But none puzzle me quite so much as his obvious messiah complex and the willingness of evangelicals to embrace him saying that he is the only one who can (save the US--btw, damn the rest of the world.) It is so antithetical to everything I learned in Southern Baptist Sunday school and church when I was a kid. To me, it's jarring, the amount of disconnect. I cannot even call it cognitive dissonance because there is no cognition involved. Politically, I have serious disagreements with many/most of my extended family but generally, I can find areas where we share strongly held common beliefs---Golden Rule kind of stuff, do unto others, family is important, love, honesty, hard work, etc. Trump seems to be the antithesis of all of that--although he seems to have affection for his family. I see it. It boggles my mind that evangelicals do not, will not, cannot.
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It's easy enough. Evangelicals see Trump as the avenue to get policies they want. Ending abortion, limiting gay rights and marriage and more. They do not care that getting their way means supporting an otherwise awful person.

He'll sooner or later go away, but the supreme court justices he gives them will be with us for years. The possibility of the far right getting wholesale changes in the constitution outweighs Trump's personal failings. They see Trump's election the way to impose their agenda on us all.
 
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