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THE INCREDIBLE WHITENESS OF BEING

Uh, yes. What you wrote inherently presumes to all competent comprehenders of the English language that racist belief in white supremacy causes those people to accept conservative economic views that are harmful to the working class and poor, even if they themselves are among them. What does the fact that you have no clue what is logically presumed by your own arguments say about you?
This simplistic (and logically invalid) argument belies an implicit need for order. Does that make you a conservative?

I don't know if that makes one a conservative, but to assume facts not in evidence makes one usually wrong. And unless somewhere in the OP I said that whiteness was the only element at play or there is some proof that whiteness plays no role at all, there is nothing wrong with what I said. We can argue over degree but not existence.
 
A lot of white, non-AM listening liberals have very racist views and attempt "middle ground" positions in these conversations.
 
I think I have this all sorted out.

I agreed at first about what that one guy said, but then the other guy said something I agreed with too, and it made me think more about what that one guy said, then when that lady said something, I thought, yes, she's got it, but then that other guy said something that was going against what that lady said and I had to think more about it, and you know what, it seemed to make sense, at least until that last guy there came and said what he said, and that gave me a whole new perspective on things, and everything was making sense there for a while until this other guy said something about what that lady said, to which that other guy replied, and then I had to go back to scratch and begin to think about everything all over again, until that really good post back there that that one person made made me realize that it wasn't all that hard afterall. I got confused there for a while but I think I got it now.
 
kill all white people.

No, Aliens might show up and the world will need our ability to kill, that our Neanderthal gene obviously give us. See racism can be a good thing.
 
Do you honestly believe that racism plays no part in the politics of poor rural whites? Do you think these often ignorant, poorly-educated poor whites would be up in arms against Obama if he were white? Would they be making their illiterate non-sequitur signs to protest a white Democrat who was implementing the exact same policies?


Huh? Once again, absolutely nothing that I (or any other critics of the OP) have said implies that many poor rural white conservatives are not racist, nor that their racism doesn't impact some of their politics. That isn't the issue. OF course the level of vitriol in many of their anti-Obama comments are heightened by racism. But they were economic conservatives ranting about communists and socialists long before Obama, and no matter the race of the "liberals" promoting policies they viewed as such. The issue is whether their support for free market and protect-the-rich policies is causally rooted in a desire to keep black people down. IT isn't implausible that their is some degree of influence in that direction, but it is more plausible that a combination of the many other causal accounts explains more of the co-occurrence of economic conservatism and racist among rural poor whites.
Extreme free market faith requires adopting racism to rationalize racial inequalities in outcomes, and both views are defined by forms of hierarchical inequalities that constitute simplistic order that some people (especially not very bright people) are drawn to. It is far more likely that some combination of these are the explanation and that a simplistic racism --> economic conservatism account (which is absolutely what Athena claimed) is rather rare.

Take your position that a desire for extreme order and hierarchy is just as swaying to these people as racism. Can you discuss the relative frequency of campaign adds that drip disorder versus those that drip racism?

I hear what you are saying and think that you have a good point that they are also swayed by this desire for simplicity (even when it makes serfs of them), but I see a strong evidence that the simplicity is not as strong a factor as race. Race (fear anger) is what gets them to the polls. It's the thing that they actually act on. The simplicity is comforting, but not activating.

I work in the public sector and watch rural people react to these things. I listen to them rant about what they are voting for on a weekly basis. Race is not a factor here on a local level because we don't have any minorities. Yet it is amazing how often race is dragged into our lily-white town by comparing local democrats to Obama. The Kenyan. As if any national issue has any place in a local town hall. We are not going to be voting on immigration or abortion here. It's not the issues. They bring up national figures to tar the local officials, but they don't bring up any of the white democrats (like Reid), they bring up the black guy (Obama) and the woman (Pelosi).

So somehow, even when discussing local and school taxes, they drag race into the discussion kicking and screaming, a racism confused by its presence in a community with no race.
 
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