The Mexican collusion

[whichphilosophy]

I said nothing about influencing the result. Again, please try to keep up.

What was the conclusion re interference?

Will this report be amended at page 23?

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Page 23 is not an assessment. It just explains the scale.

Your lack of understanding of what you are talking about is really getting tiresome. You're an endless stream of fucked up posts.

The Oxford Dictionary defines assess as
Evaluate or estimate the nature, ability, or quality of.

Paragraph 1 of the quoted section clearly indicates the 3 confidence levels are assessments of the value of the information.

Even High confidence does not guarantee the information is accurate.
The report can be disregarded as establishing any facts.

 

[SimpleDon]

Donald Trump is the first president in history to not even try to protect the nation from an attack by a foreign enemy.

FIFY
Dereliction of duty added to the burgeoning list of impeachable offenses.

Have the Rethuglican "leadership" considered purging the extremist racist nazi supporters from its ranks? You know, like supporting people to run against them?
If they don't, one thing or another or both are going to die - either the GOP, the United States of America, or both.

I am really upset at the attitude of the Republican leadership. They are apparently willing to put up with Trump's chaos and his assaults on democracy as long as he signs massive tax cuts for the wealthy.

What am I saying. The Republican assaults on democracy predate Donald Trump by decades.

 

[Underseer]

Donald Trump is the first president in history to not even try to protect the nation from an attack by a foreign enemy.

FIFY
Dereliction of duty added to the burgeoning list of impeachable offenses.

Have the Rethuglican "leadership" considered purging the extremist racist nazi supporters from its ranks? You know, like supporting people to run against them?
If they don't, one thing or another or both are going to die - either the GOP, the United States of America, or both.

I am really upset at the attitude of the Republican leadership. They are apparently willing to put up with Trump's chaos and his assaults on democracy as long as he signs massive tax cuts for the wealthy.

What am I saying. The Republican assaults on democracy predate Donald Trump by decades.

Nuh uh! There was no collusion between Trump and the Russians! It's all a conspiracy by the Democrat party!!!!!! Hillary was the one who really conspired with the Russians! Uranium One! Let's talk about Uranium One instead!!!!!!! THE DOSSIER IS FAKE NEWS!!!!!! [/conservolibertarian]

 

[SimpleDon]

Some corrections. There is no question that Russia influenced the election to support Donald Trump. They saw an advantage gained by having an incompetent, thoroughly corrupted person as the American president. The questions that needed to be determined by an investigation are;

• did the Trump campaign know that the Russian government was influencing the election in Trump's favor. This has already been answered as a resounding yes, with the publishing of Donald Jr's emails about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians and his emails to Wikileaks and Trump's public pleas to the Russians to find Clinton's missing emails.
• did the Trump campaign coordinate with the Russians about the timing of the release of the DNC emails. This hasn't been determined yet but based on circumstantial evidence, the release of the second batch of emails just four hours after the Access Hollywood tape was first shown.
• did the Trump campaign share information about which states and demographics to target with the Russians. This is still to be determined, but based on demonstrated competence I would say that if anything it is more likely that the Russian helped the Trump campaign.
• did Trump try to impede the FBI investigation of the Russian investigation when he fired Comey. Trump admitted that he did on video tape.
• do Russians have something that they are holding over Trump's head, something more than a night spent with prostitutes and porn actors. Say money laundering.

No matter the outcomes of these investigative questions there is one thing that we say without fear of contradiction, Donald Trump is the first president in history to fail to protect the nation from an attack by a foreign enemy. This alone is sufficient reason that he should be removed from office, even if he didn't have any idea that his campaign staff was in contact with and soliciting help from the Russians.

There is a question as to if Russia influenced the election to support Donald Trump. That's why the investigation continues.

If there is no Russian interference there is no reason to investigate any collusion obviously. The investigation into the collusion that you admit is in progress presupposes the Russian interference in the election to support Trump. The FBI and all of the intelligence chiefs of the CIA, the NSA, etc. agreed that the Russians were interfering in the election to try to get Trump elected. These are not political hacks, they relayed the conclusions of the professional intelligence officers.

The Russian troll farms are still supporting Trump even up to today. The investigation is continuing to determine the questions above.

 

[SimpleDon]

Some corrections. There is no question that Russia influenced the election to support Donald Trump. They saw an advantage gained by having an incompetent, thoroughly corrupted person as the American president. The questions that needed to be determined by an investigation are;

• did the Trump campaign know that the Russian government was influencing the election in Trump's favor. This has already been answered as a resounding yes, with the publishing of Donald Jr's emails about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians and his emails to Wikileaks and Trump's public pleas to the Russians to find Clinton's missing emails.
• did the Trump campaign coordinate with the Russians about the timing of the release of the DNC emails. This hasn't been determined yet but based on circumstantial evidence, the release of the second batch of emails just four hours after the Access Hollywood tape was first shown.
• did the Trump campaign share information about which states and demographics to target with the Russians. This is still to be determined, but based on demonstrated competence I would say that if anything it is more likely that the Russian helped the Trump campaign.
• did Trump try to impede the FBI investigation of the Russian investigation when he fired Comey. Trump admitted that he did on video tape.
• do Russians have something that they are holding over Trump's head, something more than a night spent with prostitutes and porn actors. Say money laundering.

No matter the outcomes of these investigative questions there is one thing that we say without fear of contradiction, Donald Trump is the first president in history to fail to protect the nation from an attack by a foreign enemy. This alone is sufficient reason that he should be removed from office, even if he didn't have any idea that his campaign staff was in contact with and soliciting help from the Russians.

Wait, wait. hold your horses.

The assumed Russian intervention happened when Mr. Obama was the president of the USA.

We must put Mr. Obama in a seat with a light shining his face,surrounded by investigators smoking cheap brand cigarettes, and guys bringing towels and buckets of water, which are always cheaper than a car battery, cables, and that kind of equipment.

The Obama administration did do something, they confiscated Russian government property and put serious limits on the Russian oligarchy to travel and to access their money in the US. It wasn't enough, the Russian troll farms are still supporting Trump today, running internet ads that extoll Trump's victory over the Democrats in the government shutdown. This will continue until the Trump administration ups the ante and slaps the Russians with more pain. The Trump administration denies that the Russians interfered in the election and that they continue to do so. All in conflict with the judgement of all of the professional intelligence agencies.

 

[Elixir]

This will continue until the Trump administration ups the ante and slaps the Russians with more pain.

IOW, this will stop on the 12th of NEVER.
Actually it will stop when the next administration takes action. Assuming that there IS a "next administration".

 

[whichphilosophy]

Some corrections. There is no question that Russia influenced the election to support Donald Trump. They saw an advantage gained by having an incompetent, thoroughly corrupted person as the American president. The questions that needed to be determined by an investigation are;

• did the Trump campaign know that the Russian government was influencing the election in Trump's favor. This has already been answered as a resounding yes, with the publishing of Donald Jr's emails about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians and his emails to Wikileaks and Trump's public pleas to the Russians to find Clinton's missing emails.
• did the Trump campaign coordinate with the Russians about the timing of the release of the DNC emails. This hasn't been determined yet but based on circumstantial evidence, the release of the second batch of emails just four hours after the Access Hollywood tape was first shown.
• did the Trump campaign share information about which states and demographics to target with the Russians. This is still to be determined, but based on demonstrated competence I would say that if anything it is more likely that the Russian helped the Trump campaign.
• did Trump try to impede the FBI investigation of the Russian investigation when he fired Comey. Trump admitted that he did on video tape.
• do Russians have something that they are holding over Trump's head, something more than a night spent with prostitutes and porn actors. Say money laundering.

No matter the outcomes of these investigative questions there is one thing that we say without fear of contradiction, Donald Trump is the first president in history to fail to protect the nation from an attack by a foreign enemy. This alone is sufficient reason that he should be removed from office, even if he didn't have any idea that his campaign staff was in contact with and soliciting help from the Russians.

There is a question as to if Russia influenced the election to support Donald Trump. That's why the investigation continues.

If there is no Russian interference there is no reason to investigate any collusion obviously. The investigation into the collusion that you admit is in progress presupposes the Russian interference in the election to support Trump. The FBI and all of the intelligence chiefs of the CIA, the NSA, etc. agreed that the Russians were interfering in the election to try to get Trump elected. These are not political hacks, they relayed the conclusions of the professional intelligence officers.

The Russian troll farms are still supporting Trump even up to today. The investigation is continuing to determine the questions above.

The investigation is still in progress so all of these could be taken into account. If you read the report I referred to, 'High probability' as defined means not definite.

See

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

page 23

 

[SimpleDon]

If there is no Russian interference there is no reason to investigate any collusion obviously. The investigation into the collusion that you admit is in progress presupposes the Russian interference in the election to support Trump. The FBI and all of the intelligence chiefs of the CIA, the NSA, etc. agreed that the Russians were interfering in the election to try to get Trump elected. These are not political hacks, they relayed the conclusions of the professional intelligence officers.

The Russian troll farms are still supporting Trump even up to today. The investigation is continuing to determine the questions above.

The investigation is still in progress so all of these could be taken into account. If you read the report I referred to, 'High probability' as defined means not definite.

See

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

page 23

You apparently can believe anything that makes you feel better. You seem to be heavily invested in the highly unlikely possibility that there was no interference in the 2016 election by the Russians to support Trump.

The high probability that the Russians interfered in the election to elect Donald Trump makes me sick. Even today I can't fully accept the possibility that the Trump campaign would be so stupid as to help the Russians. This is treason. What makes this a possibility for me is the fact that no one in the Trump campaign called the FBI when they found out that the Russians had dirt on Clinton that they were offering to the campaign.

My statement that Trump is failing to protect us from the actions of a foreign enemy is based on the high probability that the Russian government interfered in the election to elect Trump. This is a much higher standard than the minimum that I would expect the president, any president to act on to protect us. Your statements imply that Obama should have waited for an even higher standard of certainty before he acted to impose sanctions against the Russians because that is what Trump is doing. Is this what you believe?

I am afraid that you are confusing "probability" with "possibility." It reminds me of what a statistics teacher told us to understand the difference between the quantitative term "probability" and the qualitative term "possibility."

"The living live with the possibility of dying while the dying deal with the probability of dying."

As a legal term the closest we get is a "reasonable probability" in which there is “a probability sufficient to undermine confidence in the outcome” had the proposition been known. It is reasonable to define a high probability as "a probability sufficient to have confidence in the outcome."

This will have to do for this discussion because no where in the report you cited did they say that a high probability was "not definite."

 

[whichphilosophy]

If there is no Russian interference there is no reason to investigate any collusion obviously. The investigation into the collusion that you admit is in progress presupposes the Russian interference in the election to support Trump. The FBI and all of the intelligence chiefs of the CIA, the NSA, etc. agreed that the Russians were interfering in the election to try to get Trump elected. These are not political hacks, they relayed the conclusions of the professional intelligence officers.

The Russian troll farms are still supporting Trump even up to today. The investigation is continuing to determine the questions above.

The investigation is still in progress so all of these could be taken into account. If you read the report I referred to, 'High probability' as defined means not definite.

See

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

page 23

You apparently can believe anything that makes you feel better. You seem to be heavily invested in the highly unlikely possibility that there was no interference in the 2016 election by the Russians to support Trump.

The high probability that the Russians interfered in the election to elect Donald Trump makes me sick. Even today I can't fully accept the possibility that the Trump campaign would be so stupid as to help the Russians. This is treason. What makes this a possibility for me is the fact that no one in the Trump campaign called the FBI when they found out that the Russians had dirt on Clinton that they were offering to the campaign.

My statement that Trump is failing to protect us from the actions of a foreign enemy is based on the high probability that the Russian government interfered in the election to elect Trump. This is a much higher standard than the minimum that I would expect the president, any president to act on to protect us. Your statements imply that Obama should have waited for an even higher standard of certainty before he acted to impose sanctions against the Russians because that is what Trump is doing. Is this what you believe?

I am afraid that you are confusing "probability" with "possibility." It reminds me of what a statistics teacher told us to understand the difference between the quantitative term "probability" and the qualitative term "possibility."

"The living live with the possibility of dying while the dying deal with the probability of dying."

As a legal term the closest we get is a "reasonable probability" in which there is “a probability sufficient to undermine confidence in the outcome” had the proposition been known. It is reasonable to define a high probability as "a probability sufficient to have confidence in the outcome."

The report does not produce confirmation of anything.

This will have to do for this discussion because no where in the report you cited did they say that a high probability was "not definite."

The second sentence defining High confidence p.23 states:

High confidence in a judgment does not imply that the assessment is a fact or certainty; such judgments may be wrong.


http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-possible-and-vs-probable/

Oxford Advanced Learner’s dictionary defines probable as “likely to happen, to exist or to be true”, while ‘possible’ is defined as “that might exist or happen but is not certain to”

Probable implies that there is a very high chance or likelihood that a certain event might occur. On the other hand, possible means that the subject [whatever the word possible is describing about] might happen or might not happen, but there’s no certainty of the outcome

 

[humbleman]

The problem for which this investigation is in progress, is not what Russians did to interfere with the US elections.

What the FBI is looking for is if the Republican campaign was part of that interference.

The US has interfered in the electoral process of several countries, specially in Latino countries. Always taking care of the US interest favoring political parties friendly to the US.

Non big deal. Right?

Right.

You have the president Obama administration with Mrs. Hillary Clinton in a negotiation of Uranium which is showing some controversies. However, if the Russian were to support someone, then they must support Mrs. Hillary Clinton, because that Uranium deal.

They can obtain more benefits from Mrs. Hillary Clinton than from Mr. Donald Trump.

I think the investigation must be made on the Democrat campaign instead.

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Having several political figures of Latino origin in the Democrat party fighting to legalize illegal immigrants, besides their "good will" there is a possibility that foreign politicians are making influence over these Latino descendant politicians to make changes in the laws favoring illegal immigrants.

Why not?

There are about 30 million illegal immigrants in the US. (Remember one thing forever, the "official" count against the government is mostly three times the amount given. If the US army "officially" says there were 10 people death by collateral damage, then the real amount is 30 or more) Politicians from foreign countries might have made interference using community leaders (by economic support from outside the country) to convince politicians and support illegal immigration.

Another way to have politicians on the side of a certain group is blackmail, like the one made on Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. My theory is that his affair and child was known by certain people, and the blackmail was to make him invalidate the vote against gay marriage which was "no" in California, and legalize it instead. In exchange, his affair and child existence won't be revealed only after he left the political career. Otherwise the affair will be exposed and he should have been forced to resign. I think this is a valid theory, because the affair and specially the existence of the child wouldn't be kept in silence unless it was a third party taking care of it. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger shouldn't appear in this business under any circumstances.

Politics is touching the ceiling of corruption,.