The New Intelligent Design <id> and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations

[excreationist]

Hi, evolution is simply a change with time (it is funny, change is automatically associated with time, obviously, right?), and that is probably true. BUT, does the change is intentional or not? I normally use intelligence, OK. I discovered intelligence. That is the specific thing that science should be answering before concluding anything in origin topics, like origin of species. So, if non-intentional, then, evolution. If intentional, then, my theory...interrelation. Which? Interrelation wins.

So you took until post #20 to mention your theory of "interrelation" - though the word is mentioned in the link from the OP. Do you believe that there has been life on earth for billions of years? Do you believe that there have been millions of years of animals eating animals, etc, before people sinned?

 

[bilby]

But one thing is sure: Evolution is wrong.

Really? What is wrong with it?

Do you claim that offspring do not resemble their parents?

Do you claim that offspring don't differ from their siblings?

Do you claim that these differences don't even slightly alter their chances of successfully reproducing?

If you accept that offspring resemble their parents, but differ from their siblings in ways that at least slightly alter their chances of successfully reproducing, then you accept that evolution is right.

If you don't agree that the above is true, then you simply don't know what evolution is.

Because that's it. That's all of it. Anything else in evolutionary theory is just an obvious and unavoidable result of reiterating that cycle of reproduction with minor differences.

Let me open your eyes, Bilby,

I am not sure that you need to be a condescending git in order to open my eyes, but OK

and others who are not fully educated with real science, and let this help you:

Evolution is change with time.

That's one definition of the word 'evolution'. It will come in handy if you ever write a dictionary, but otherwise it's useless.

Is the change intelligently designed or not?

No.

Why?

Mainly because the question is incoherent. There are changes. There's no 'the change'. There's fucking billons of them.

That's not the only problem with your question, but it's more than enough.

And show with experiment Choose and let us discuss...

You're not competent to discuss this topic.

Go away and learn some basic science.

Hint: Using lots of exclamation marks and question marks doesn't make you look like a non-lunatic. Perhaps temper their use a tad.

 

[MrIntelligentDesign]

Is the change intelligently designed or not?

No.

Why?

Mainly because the question is incoherent. There are changes. There's no 'the change'. There's fucking billons of them.

Just admit that you cannot answer that simple question of change. Evolution did not equip you to really understand reality...You had just understood the reality imposed and dictated by evolutionists...a fantasied reality...You are brainwashed and not educated in science...

 

[Keith&Co.]

You must know the scientific opponent that you are facing now, or be sorry later. If it happens that you directly contact them, tell them about me... It will help the whole scientific world.

All i see is questions, so far.
How do YOU detect intelligence in science? What do you mean by "intelligence in science"?
How do you define and/or meadure intelligence?

Oh.... wow...actually, your questions are very good and very real and very important that Darwin and all supporters of Evolution should be asking that BEFORE they conclude EVOLUTION!!!

Uh huh....

WHY???

After three, you need to file an environmental impact statement.

??????????

After ten, it's just mental.

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Because if our science knew about intelligence, and everything about it, then, we will know too about non-intelligence!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUPERB!!!

Yesssss.... now show you know bupkes?

SO WHAT????????????????????? OK. Let me copy and paste my answer to Jarhyn...

Yeah, thst's effective communicating.

WHAT??? OK, let me summarize. The topic of intelligence is messed and being messed by Evolution, which means, the topic of non-intelligence too is being messed. How did they mess it? 70 definitions! x 2! If you messed two extremes, then, we cannot answer this question in science: Is biological cell that composed of python intelligently designed or not?

I'd say science suggests that it need not be the product of intelligent design.
If you believe you know otherwise, can you summarize your evidence here? I don't feel like inflating the traffic numbers at your site just yet.

If you cannot answer that, then surely, you cannot answer this: is the change in frequency allele intelligently designed or not?

Again, it need not be, near as we can tell. You're welcome to show support for a different view.

Or you cannot answer this (I added): is the universe intelligently designed of not?

Absolutely no scientific research has yet to come to a point where the investigators are forced to add a deity to the model for it to turn out right.

Then, you are dead in science!

Strangely, no.

Somebody must discover the messed topic of intelligence FIRST... YOU SEE how genius I am!

Where is that list of points for determining a crank?

Never in the history of humans and science history appears a person like me... TAKE THE HINT...

I'd rather have a ballon. Blue if you have one.

And my OP and its link talked abut the discovery of intelligence, with thought experiment...

Thought experments are a good beginning, what did you do to confirm it?

Science wins! Evolution lose!

I'm not entirely convinced you understand either well enough to judge.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Is the change intelligently designed or not?

No.

Why?

Mainly because the question is incoherent. There are changes. There's no 'the change'. There's fucking billons of them.

Just admit that you cannot answer that simple question of change.

He did answer the question. Hard to say he cannot, then.

Evolution did not equip you to really understand reality...

You and he are products of the same evolution.

You had just understood the reality imposed and dictated by evolutionists...a fantasied reality...You are brainwashed and not educated in science...

Must, simply must, find the crank rubric.

 

[funinspace]

Your a civil engineer? Huh, weird that you seem to conflate word salad philosophy/theology for science...the fellow engineers I know wouldn't mix those up.

The New Intelligent Design <id> and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations

How will you answer this scientific question in science or religion?

I see lots of words, and not much of anything regarding scientific presentation...but did only read just short of 2 pages, then scanned...

 

[MrIntelligentDesign]

Your a civil engineer? Huh, weird that you seem to conflate word salad philosophy/theology for science...the fellow engineers I know wouldn't mix those up.

The New Intelligent Design <id> and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations

How will you answer this scientific question in science or religion?

I see lots of words, and not much of anything regarding scientific presentation...but did only read just short of 2 pages, then scanned...

in Civil Engineering, we are using Newtons law. Action-Reaction. Take the hint.

 

[skepticalbip]

Your a civil engineer? Huh, weird that you seem to conflate word salad philosophy/theology for science...the fellow engineers I know wouldn't mix those up.

The New Intelligent Design <id> and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations

How will you answer this scientific question in science or religion?

I see lots of words, and not much of anything regarding scientific presentation...but did only read just short of 2 pages, then scanned...

That is normal for people who are really into woo. They generally claim to be "scientific" by rejecting what science has revealed of our reality then offer an alternate "just so story" as science.

 

[MrIntelligentDesign]

Your a civil engineer? Huh, weird that you seem to conflate word salad philosophy/theology for science...the fellow engineers I know wouldn't mix those up.

The New Intelligent Design <id> and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations

How will you answer this scientific question in science or religion?

I see lots of words, and not much of anything regarding scientific presentation...but did only read just short of 2 pages, then scanned...

That is normal for people who are really into woo. They generally claim to be "scientific" by rejecting what science has revealed of our reality then offer an alternate "just so story" as science.

Huh??? lol!! Science revealed or wrong/erroneous scientists had revealed?? Please, say the right wordings! Oh my....

 

[steve_bank]

One aspect of your OP appears to be the watchmaker argument in disguise. How to determine if something is made by humans or or if it is natural.

The next step would be to say if we can detect something that is man made then how do we determine if the universe is designed, or something like that cation. The term Intellegent Designer was created to be anle to argue Christian creationism without saying god explicitly and make craetionism sound like sceince.

Do you want me to COPY and PASTE here the link??? Or just go there and read and come back here and ask for more???

If I was hiring a unverse designer and the Intelgent Designer of this unverse walked in I'd say no thanks, the quality of your work is substandard.

If you do not know your opponent, please, stop posting. Stop wasting your time here. I do not care if you do not believe me. Go and post in another topic. But one thing is sure: Evolution is wrong.

The forum is about debate. We have seen all the arguments for cretinism and agianst evolution based on an incoherent bible.

The idea of evolution based in part on known science and demonstrated in part is wrong based on a few lines of a text written thousands of years ago by unbeknown authors ignorant of science is absurd at best. If possible please be intelectualy honest and drop the ID lable, call it what it is. Creationism and attempts to prove existence of a god. Yiou are not going to get that past us.

Think about it. You are arguing based on a myth created by a group of ignorant wandering nomads.

Natural selection is observable on a small scale, witness the COVID pandemic.

Given a gneral time line derived from the bible and accepting the Noah story is true and we are all decended for the Noah group, how did all tegnetic human divesity arise in so short a time after the flood?

If there was a single Adam and Eve created by god how did all the human diversity arrise?

If there are gaps in the current theories of evolution, biblical literal creationsm is filled with huge unexplainable holes. To explain the holes in theo;y Christians freely invent explanations not in the bible.

 

[steve_bank]

Your a civil engineer? Huh, weird that you seem to conflate word salad philosophy/theology for science...the fellow engineers I know wouldn't mix those up.

The New Intelligent Design <id> and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations

How will you answer this scientific question in science or religion?

I see lots of words, and not much of anything regarding scientific presentation...but did only read just short of 2 pages, then scanned...

in Civil Engineering, we are using Newtons law. Action-Reaction. Take the hint.

You are a civil engineer? I was an electrical engineer.

When you get on a jet and it is on the takeoff roll do you believe it will fly based on demonstrated tested science or on interpreting the bible?

Theory of evolution is based on the same basic science you realy on in daily life, all the technology you use. If you discredit evolutionn as objective science yiu discredit the science on which your daily life depends. Electricity, agriculture, and clean water.

 

[funinspace]

Your a civil engineer? Huh, weird that you seem to conflate word salad philosophy/theology for science...the fellow engineers I know wouldn't mix those up.

The New Intelligent Design <id> and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations

How will you answer this scientific question in science or religion?

I see lots of words, and not much of anything regarding scientific presentation...but did only read just short of 2 pages, then scanned...

in Civil Engineering, we are using Newtons law. Action-Reaction. Take the hint.

So your stuck in 17/18th century thinking. Thanks for the hint.

Glad I went for electrical...never new civil engineering was so archaic...

 

[funinspace]

Your a civil engineer? Huh, weird that you seem to conflate word salad philosophy/theology for science...the fellow engineers I know wouldn't mix those up.

The New Intelligent Design <id> and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations

How will you answer this scientific question in science or religion?

I see lots of words, and not much of anything regarding scientific presentation...but did only read just short of 2 pages, then scanned...

That is normal for people who are really into woo. They generally claim to be "scientific" by rejecting what science has revealed of our reality then offer an alternate "just so story" as science.

Say 'woo' again

 

[Keith&Co.]

in Civil Engineering, we are using Newtons law. Action-Reaction. Take the hint.

You know that's actually one of three laws, then? Not THE law from Newton?
And kniwing that, you know they were posed as laws of motion, right? Not biology?
And, really, it would be action = reaction.
But, please, continue to condescendingly admonish us, again and again, about

Please, say the right wordings! Oh my....

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You must know the scientific opponent that you are facing now, or be sorry later. If it happens that you directly contact them, tell them about me... It will help the whole scientific world.

All i see is questions, so far.
How do YOU detect intelligence in science? What do you mean by "intelligence in science"?
How do you define and/or meadure intelligence?

Oh.... wow...actually, your questions are very good and very real and very important that Darwin and all supporters of Evolution should be asking that BEFORE they conclude EVOLUTION!!! WHY?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Because if our science knew about intelligence, and everything about it, then, we will know too about non-intelligence!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUPERB!!!

SO WHAT????????????????????? OK. Let me copy and paste my answer to Jarhyn...

WHAT??? OK, let me summarize. The topic of intelligence is messed and being messed by Evolution, which means, the topic of non-intelligence too is being messed. How did they mess it? 70 definitions! x 2! If you messed two extremes, then, we cannot answer this question in science: Is biological cell that composed of python intelligently designed or not? If you cannot answer that, then surely, you cannot answer this: is the change in frequency allele intelligently designed or not? Or you cannot answer this (I added): is the universe intelligently designed of not? Then, you are dead in science! Somebody must discover the messed topic of intelligence FIRST... YOU SEE how genius I am! Never in the history of humans and science history appears a person like me... TAKE THE HINT...

And my OP and its link talked abut the discovery of intelligence, with thought experiment...

Science wins! Evolution lose!

Well, I'm switching to Buddhism as clearly TimeCube has been reincarnated into whatever this is.

 

[funinspace]

You know that's actually one of three laws, then?

Of Robotics? Since you are quoting me

 

[Keith&Co.]

You know that's actually one of three laws, then?

Of Robotics? Since you are quoting me

I hate this quote system

 

[skepticalbip]

Your a civil engineer? Huh, weird that you seem to conflate word salad philosophy/theology for science...the fellow engineers I know wouldn't mix those up.

The New Intelligent Design <id> and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations

How will you answer this scientific question in science or religion?

I see lots of words, and not much of anything regarding scientific presentation...but did only read just short of 2 pages, then scanned...

That is normal for people who are really into woo. They generally claim to be "scientific" by rejecting what science has revealed of our reality then offer an alternate "just so story" as science.

Huh??? lol!! Science revealed or wrong/erroneous scientists had revealed?? Please, say the right wordings! Oh my....

Not at all. It is about your rejecting the science (that you obviously don't understand) simply because it is doesn't agree with your "god-did-it" belief.

If your proposed "intelligence" is responsible for and "intelligently" plans all mutations then he/she/it is either grossly incompetent or a sadistic bastard. While some mutations are beneficial to the organism and are passed on, most are neutral or harmful.

And you still haven't offered an explanation of how this "intelligence" manages to manipulate those genes. Does he/she/it just wish it done and POOF, thus it is done by magic?

 

[steve_bank]

The woo woo choo choo is now boarding, destination oblivion.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The woo woo choo choo is now boarding, destination oblivion.

Woo is quite comforting depending on the person, their lot in life, their state of knowledge and which end of the woo money flow they're on.