The New Testament as a guide for living for atheists

[steve_bank]

Over here Anglophiles and Francophiles are those who are enamored with French and British culture.

A Hebrewpfile? Met an Evangelical like that. According o him the ancient Hebrews are the source of all things like moth, language, writing, and science.

Persia, China, Greek, India and others go far back in history.

Ouwetern roots go back to Greece and Rome.

Our culture is Christian, influenced by what became Christianity and its philosophy and values. There is nothing Jewish about Christianity.

It is obvious Christianity early on was synchretic blend of many things, as we are today.

The ancient Hebrews did not exist i a vacuum. Noah versus Gilgamesh. Monotheism.

 

[No Robots]

First off, the Jews have survived every slaver empire they have encountered: Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Macedonian, Roman and Germanic. In fact, they have not only survived these empires but have converted them, at least nominally, to Judaism under the names of Christianity and Islam.

Second, destiny is process. The world is becoming Jewish and it will ultimately achieve this destiny:

So... so we should all convert to Judaism? I thought this thread was about the New Testament.

Erm, the New Testament is Judaism.

 

[steve_bank]

First off, the Jews have survived every slaver empire they have encountered: Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Macedonian, Roman and Germanic. In fact, they have not only survived these empires but have converted them, at least nominally, to Judaism under the names of Christianity and Islam.

Second, destiny is process. The world is becoming Jewish and it will ultimately achieve this destiny:

So... so we should all convert to Judaism? I thought this thread was about the New Testament.

Erm, the New Testament is Judaism.

So, to follow Jesus we then should ll keep kosher so to speak?

I do not follow Jewish dietary rules, but I do like Hebrew National hot dogs which happen t be kosher, and I do like brands of kosher pickles.


The Jesus of the NT would have been blasphemous to Jews. I'd think the same today. The idea of being a demigod, offspring of a god and human mother.

Jesus as a demigod is Greek and Roman mythology. The general narrative. A son is born offspeing of a god and human mother. The son has some but not all of the supernatural powers of the father god. Son does in an heroic act of salvation and goes to be with the god father.

Sound familiar?

List of demigods - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is a list of notable offspring of a deity with a mortal, in mythology and modern fiction. Such entities are sometimes referred to as demigods, although the term "demigod" can also refer to a minor deity, or great mortal hero with god-like valour and skills, who sometimes attains divine status after death.[1]

The gsopels were probably written to target potential gentle converts. The Jesus as demigod would register with non Jews. not Jews.

 

[TomC]

Erm, the New Testament is Judaism.

No it isn't. Not even close.
It's a profoundly heretical blend of pagan and jewish. Paganism with a veneer of Judaism is more like it.

You can't possibly square a miracle working demigod who forms a divine pantheon with Judaism. Islam is also a heretical blend of paganism and Judaism, but it's much closer to Judaism than Christianity is. At least Islam is monotheistic.
Tom

 

[No Robots]

There are many Jews, some quite prominent, who recognize the New Testament and its central figure as part of their own culture.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Today's culture? Marvel movies, anime and internet porn.

 

[No Robots]

Today's culture? Marvel movies, anime and internet porn.

Pagan culture has always been about this: fantasy and sex.

 

[TomC]

There are many Jews, some quite prominent, who recognize the New Testament and its central figure as part of their own culture.

You can find about anything you want on the internet if you look around a bit.
Tom

 

[No Robots]

There are many Jews, some quite prominent, who recognize the New Testament and its central figure as part of their own culture.

You can find about anything you want on the internet if you look around a bit.
Tom

Welp, it seems that most Infidels have chosen that wackado shinola that guys like Doherty, Carrier and Price spew.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Today's culture? Marvel movies, anime and internet porn.

Pagan culture has always been about this: fantasy and sex.

Song of Solomon.

 

[No Robots]

Sex is part of life. In a spiritually healthy life, it is a blessing. However, in a life devoid of spirit, it becomes an idol, and thus destructive.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

"No true Scotsman" ploy noted.

 

[TomC]

There are many Jews, some quite prominent, who recognize the New Testament and its central figure as part of their own culture.

You can find about anything you want on the internet if you look around a bit.
Tom

Welp, it seems that most Infidels have chosen that wackado shinola that guys like Doherty, Carrier and Price spew.

I don't really know who any of those people are. I certainly haven't chosen any of them as authorities. Or anyone else, in particular.

I'm calling it as I see it. I'm no scholar, but I have a working knowledge of the religions, the culture and events, and human nature. You seem to be the one with the authoritarian attitudes about "experts", believing things that look ignorant to me because someone told you it's true.
Tom

 

[No Robots]

There are many Jews, some quite prominent, who recognize the New Testament and its central figure as part of their own culture.

You can find about anything you want on the internet if you look around a bit.
Tom

Welp, it seems that most Infidels have chosen that wackado shinola that guys like Doherty, Carrier and Price spew.

I don't really know who any of those people are. I certainly haven't chosen any of them as authorities. Or anyone else, in particular.

I'm calling it as I see it. I'm no scholar, but I have a working knowledge of the religions, the culture and events, and human nature. You seem to be the one with the authoritarian attitudes about "experts", believing things that look ignorant to me because someone told you it's true.
Tom

Then refer to your own posts. This one, for example:

Jesus was a Jew.

 

[TomC]

There are many Jews, some quite prominent, who recognize the New Testament and its central figure as part of their own culture.

You can find about anything you want on the internet if you look around a bit.
Tom

Welp, it seems that most Infidels have chosen that wackado shinola that guys like Doherty, Carrier and Price spew.

I don't really know who any of those people are. I certainly haven't chosen any of them as authorities. Or anyone else, in particular.

I'm calling it as I see it. I'm no scholar, but I have a working knowledge of the religions, the culture and events, and human nature. You seem to be the one with the authoritarian attitudes about "experts", believing things that look ignorant to me because someone told you it's true.
Tom

Then refer to your own posts. This one, for example:

Jesus was a Jew.

I don't have any problems with that.
I confident that Jesus wouldn't even recognize the legends and myth of the NT.
Because He was a Jew.
Not particularly orthodox for His day. But I believe He'd be horrified by the heresy created In His Name.

However, He was dead and couldn't do anything about it.
Tom

 

[No Robots]

And so then why do give me snark when I say that many Jews, some prominent, have also affirmed what you, an anonymous Internet poster, don't hesitate to affirm?

 

[steve_bank]

And so then why do give me snark when I say that many Jews, some prominent, have also affirmed what you, an anonymous Internet poster, don't hesitate to affirm?

There was a TV show for awhile The Jewish Jesus hosted by a rabbi, probably online. I thnk there is a Jewish Jesus movement in Isreal, alet small.

At best for your argument Jesus is considerd a prophet by Jews one on a line of prophets, but not a Jewish demigod messiah son of god.

God forbid, so to speak.

Modern Jews are like American Christians in that range from liberal to moderate to conservative with wacky extremes on both ends of the spectrum.

There are Jews who carry the prohibition against work on he sabbath to ridiculous extremes.
As a Jew explained to me there is no central Jewish authority ubkike the RCC and the pope. Jews are free to read and interpret scripture. A rabbi can write a position paper as Muslim clercs write fatwas which are not binding.

As mythology Jesus is historically rather boring. Hercules and Achilles were good demigods. Odysseus. King Arthur was fictional. The search for the Holy Grail, hero on a quest to discover that which is hidden and illusive.

The Indiana Jones movie on the grail was a retelling of a very old story nd myth. As is the Jesus story.

The Arthurian legend and myth evolved as it was retold. Look at how the orginal Dracula vampire stry evolved to all the variants through today. Human imagination. The orginal old mobie Te Mummy evld into many cariations.

Hearsay and oral stories were retold and evolved right through today. There is no true Christianity today. It is all human imagination and invention.

I have been watching reruns of Star Trek Deep Space 9. In the mythology it turns out super beings living in a worm hole taken as gods by Bajorans set a being as his mother to set Benjamin Cisco on a path to suit their needs of gods regarding Bajoran culture. He fulfills a prophesy. In the end Cisco leaves his mortal existence to be with the gods in the worm hole. Right out of ancient mythology.

A very well crafted mythology and story.

The gospels are amateurish compared to other mythology in history..

 

[TomC]

And so then why do give me snark when I say that many Jews, some prominent, have also affirmed what you, an anonymous Internet poster, don't hesitate to affirm?

Snark?

You haven't given any indication that any appreciable number of Jews have accepted Jesus as "part of their culture".

Except perhaps that Anti-Jewish sentiments including the Holocaust are part of Jewish culture, kinda like Lutheranism.

Tom

 

[No Robots]

And so then why do give me snark when I say that many Jews, some prominent, have also affirmed what you, an anonymous Internet poster, don't hesitate to affirm?

Snark?

You haven't given any indication that any appreciable number of Jews have accepted Jesus as "part of their culture".

Except perhaps that Anti-Jewish sentiments including the Holocaust are part of Jewish culture, kinda like Lutheranism.

Tom

First, you give me hell for referring to "authorities," then you give me hell for not giving any examples. Pick a lane.

I'll give you one reference: Kosher Jesus by Schmuley Boteach.

 

[TomC]

First, you give me hell for referring to "authorities," then you give me hell for not giving any examples. Pick a lane.

I'm not giving you hell for anything.

I'm pointing out why I find your opinions unimportant.
You aren't very educated.
Oh well.

You aren't unique. Plenty of internet denizens like you. Don't or can't support their own opinions, so they refer to the "experts" they prefer.
Tom