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WAB
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It is the brain that is causing the command to happen in the first place.
No brain, no command.
You have it backwards.
You are putting the cart before the horse.
It is the brain that is causing the command to happen in the first place.
No brain, no command.
You have it backwards.
You are putting the cart before the horse.
DBT
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The claims being made by UM are a load of Crock;
Thinking, Walking, Talking: Integratory Motor and Cognitive Brain Function
''Both cognitive and motor function are controlled by brain areas such as frontal lobes, cerebellum, and basal ganglia that collectively interact to exert governance and control over executive function and intentionality of movements that require anticipation and the prediction of movement of others. Developmental disorders and other disorders of brain integration all involve disruption of executive processes, functions attributable to the frontal lobes, and articulation with motor components of the nervous system (4, 8, 19). A common symptom of developmental disabilities, for example, includes clumsiness or motor incoordination, especially as it relates to gait and posture and with strong evidence supporting the concept of “weak central coherence” or a processing bias for featural and local information, and relative failure to extract gist or “see the big picture” in everyday life [for a fuller description, the reader is referred to Ref. (20)].
Impulse control disorders, both inhibitive and facilitative, as well as disorders of executive function and judgment, either inhibited or facilitated, and judgment disorders can all be attributed to dysfunction of this network and its control of motor and non-motor cognitive behavior. In the following sections, we will discuss examples for the interactions between cognitive and motor functions.''
How brain performs 'motor chunking' tasks
The rhythm is the human brain taking information and processing it in an efficient way, according to Wymbs. "On one level, the brain is going to try to divide up, or parse, long sequences of movement," he said. "This parsing process functions to group or cluster movements in the most efficient way possible."
But it is also in our brain's best interest to assemble single or short strings of movements into longer, integrated sequences so that a complex behavior can be made with as little effort as possible. "The motor system in the brain wants to output movement in the most computational, low-cost way as possible," Wymbs said. "With this integrative process, it's going to try to bind as many individual motor movements into a fluid, uniform movement as it possibly can."
The two processes are at odds with each other, and it's how the brain reconciles this struggle during motor learning that intrigues Wymbs and the study's other authors, including Scott Grafton, professor of psychology and director of the UCSB Brain Imaging Center. "What we are interested in is functional plasticity of the brain -- how the brain changes when we learn actions, or motor sequences as we refer to them in this paper," Wymbs said.
Thinking, Walking, Talking: Integratory Motor and Cognitive Brain Function
''Both cognitive and motor function are controlled by brain areas such as frontal lobes, cerebellum, and basal ganglia that collectively interact to exert governance and control over executive function and intentionality of movements that require anticipation and the prediction of movement of others. Developmental disorders and other disorders of brain integration all involve disruption of executive processes, functions attributable to the frontal lobes, and articulation with motor components of the nervous system (4, 8, 19). A common symptom of developmental disabilities, for example, includes clumsiness or motor incoordination, especially as it relates to gait and posture and with strong evidence supporting the concept of “weak central coherence” or a processing bias for featural and local information, and relative failure to extract gist or “see the big picture” in everyday life [for a fuller description, the reader is referred to Ref. (20)].
Impulse control disorders, both inhibitive and facilitative, as well as disorders of executive function and judgment, either inhibited or facilitated, and judgment disorders can all be attributed to dysfunction of this network and its control of motor and non-motor cognitive behavior. In the following sections, we will discuss examples for the interactions between cognitive and motor functions.''
How brain performs 'motor chunking' tasks
The rhythm is the human brain taking information and processing it in an efficient way, according to Wymbs. "On one level, the brain is going to try to divide up, or parse, long sequences of movement," he said. "This parsing process functions to group or cluster movements in the most efficient way possible."
But it is also in our brain's best interest to assemble single or short strings of movements into longer, integrated sequences so that a complex behavior can be made with as little effort as possible. "The motor system in the brain wants to output movement in the most computational, low-cost way as possible," Wymbs said. "With this integrative process, it's going to try to bind as many individual motor movements into a fluid, uniform movement as it possibly can."
The two processes are at odds with each other, and it's how the brain reconciles this struggle during motor learning that intrigues Wymbs and the study's other authors, including Scott Grafton, professor of psychology and director of the UCSB Brain Imaging Center. "What we are interested in is functional plasticity of the brain -- how the brain changes when we learn actions, or motor sequences as we refer to them in this paper," Wymbs said.
untermensche
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I give the command and I am not a brain anymore than I am a liver.
I am not a leg or a spleen or a brain.
I am something that experiences and moves the arm that is not me at will.
No command from the mind no movement.
No mind no voluntary movement.
Show me the movement in a person with no mind.
untermensche
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None of that addresses anything I've said. You have just shitted it without any explanation. Worthlessness.
It is a worthless dodge.
Where is the understanding of the mind in that?
Please be specific.
Knowing where something is happening does not mean you understand what is happening.
Talking about where the air and blood travel in the lung tells you nothing about respiration.
Knowing where activity occurs in the brain tells you nothing about what is happening.
The only way we ever know what is happening is through a subjective report.
Because there is no understanding of the mind, how it is created and how it functions.
untermensche
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The modern Neuro"scientist": "Subjective reports are unreliable based entirely on the evidence of subjective reports."
Without any understanding of how a subjective report arises.
Modern neuro"science" uses subjective reports to claim an understanding of the brain and to conclude that subjective reports have no subject behind them.
Without any understanding of how a subjective report arises.
Modern neuro"science" uses subjective reports to claim an understanding of the brain and to conclude that subjective reports have no subject behind them.
DBT
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You appear to be not only blind to the research and evidence, but your own folly. Hence, sadly, there appears to be no means of overcoming that condition.
untermensche
Contributor
You have presented no research that understands the mind or intention.
You are a deluded fool if you think you have.
You are a deluded fool if you think you have.
DBT
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Somebody is acting the fool, but it's not who you think. 
untermensche
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Somebody is acting the fool, but it's not who you think.
You have NO understanding of the mind and intention that any person with a mind doesn't already have.
Understanding the reflexive tissues of the brain is good.
But it is not any kind of understanding of the contemplative autonomous mind.
It is amazing how easily some are led astray and are blind to the actions of their own mind, based on absolutely nothing, based on absolutely no understanding of the mind.