Rayschism
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Such a self-serving vocabulary you possess...You're the one repeating yourself over and over by pestering and harrassing me.
Such a self serving vocabulary you possess, <snip>
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Such a self-serving vocabulary you possess...You're the one repeating yourself over and over by pestering and harrassing me.
Why would that prevent it from being honored?
Your confusion is confusing. Do you think we can only honor things after full disclosure?
No one's gotten a medal for a military action that was classified at the time the medal was presented?
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It's the message of peace that is being honored, regardless if the third secret is known to everyone. So I'm not seeing the problem.This is very confusing to me. How can something be honored, when, at least to the best of my knowledge, the third secret of Fatima has never been released?
Fatima is a gold mine. Frankie is a pretty good chap as people go, and maybe he believes in these silly claims. Psychosis in religious language is called revelation or miracle or something like that, but it's still just impossible stupid shit.So the current pope is honoring the whatchamacallit. Which was the original pope, and the which is the one who read it and was scared?
As much as the current pope is good as popes and priests go, he's still got the mystic streak in him.
I'd call it superstition crossed with very sound business sense. The whole sanctification process does seem deeply pointless and ridiculous. Given their beliefs, how do they suppose humans could possibly decide whom their God regarded as 'holy'?Fatima is a gold mine. Frankie is a pretty good chap as people go, and maybe he believes in these silly claims. Psychosis in religious language is called revelation or miracle or something like that, but it's still just impossible stupid shit.So the current pope is honoring the whatchamacallit. Which was the original pope, and the which is the one who read it and was scared?
As much as the current pope is good as popes and priests go, he's still got the mystic streak in him.
My pastor friend like's to say, "It's the word of god." He draws it like a gun, it's his form of reassurance. I'm certain that if we were ever to discuss how he comes to believe what is and isn't the word of god it would come down to just picking, choosing and believing based on his preferences, biases and personal agreement. He doesn't understand that what he calls the "word of god" is really just whatever he wants it to be.I'd call it superstition crossed with very sound business sense. The whole sanctification process does seem deeply pointless and ridiculous. Given their beliefs, how do they suppose humans could possibly decide whom their God regarded as 'holy'?Fatima is a gold mine. Frankie is a pretty good chap as people go, and maybe he believes in these silly claims. Psychosis in religious language is called revelation or miracle or something like that, but it's still just impossible stupid shit.
So then, how can we honor something that there is little to know knowledge from?
Fatima is a remake of Delphi. Bernadette is a priestess telling the future. Lots of not so bright people love this soap opera stuff.
Not gases, just the same behavior, someone has a psychotic event and people start whispering "god." Pretty soon there's a shrine and lots of money to be made.Fatima is a remake of Delphi. Bernadette is a priestess telling the future. Lots of not so bright people love this soap opera stuff.
Delphi? You mean the oracle? Because of the gases causing hallucinations? Bernadette is in Lourdes, but are you saying that is what happened? And in Fatima?
The Pope just said that he does not believe in Medjugorje.
https://churchpop.com/2017/05/13/pope-francis-reveals-hand-on-medjugorje/
Not gases, just the same behavior, someone has a psychotic event and people start whispering "god." Pretty soon there's a shrine and lots of money to be made.Delphi? You mean the oracle? Because of the gases causing hallucinations? Bernadette is in Lourdes, but are you saying that is what happened? And in Fatima?
The Pope just said that he does not believe in Medjugorje.
https://churchpop.com/2017/05/13/pope-francis-reveals-hand-on-medjugorje/
... See told the girls that she had three secrets to give them. The purpose of the secrets was for the non believers to change their ways or there would be wars and pestilence to come. She gave them three secrets. The first was the prediction of WWI. ...
Ratzinger said:The purpose of the vision is not to show a film of an irrevocably fixed future. Its meaning is exactly the opposite: it is meant to mobilize the forces of change in the right direction. Therefore we must totally discount fatalistic explanations of the “secret”, such as, for example, the claim that the would-be assassin of 13 May 1981 was merely an instrument of the divine plan guided by Providence and could not therefore have acted freely, or other similar ideas in circulation. Rather, the vision speaks of dangers and how we might be saved from them.
The concluding part of the 'secret' uses images which Lucia may have seen in devotional books and which draw their inspiration from long-standing intuitions of faith.
What remains was already evident when we began our reflections on the text of the 'secret': the exhortation to prayer as the path of 'salvation for souls' and, likewise, the summons to penance and conversion.
How difficult could it have been, to predict WWI ... in 1917?
In fact, the first "secret" had nothing to do with WWI; it was supposedly a vision of Hell, with no predictions involved.
The second "secret" "predicted" that the current war would end, but another one would happen in the pontificate of Pope Pius XI, preventable by "the Consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays". Otherwise "(Russia) will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church". There are several problems with this. For one, WWII started in September 1939, but Pius had died 7 months earlier, in February. You'd have thought somebody would have spotted the error, given that this "secret" wasn't published until 1941 (raising the reasonable suspicion that this was no prediction at all, but a retrofit). Also, at the time of the "apparitions" (May-October 1917), Russia, having undergone the February Revolution and under the Provisional Government of Kerensky, was still very much a Xian country, with just as much Mariolatry as any Catholic, West-European land, so calling for its conversion would have been very premature at the time of the "miracles". It would, however, have made much more sense by the time of publication, in 1941, to call for the conversion of Stalinist Russia ... more retrofitting.
You say the third "secret" was never published (to be fair, you did add "to my knowledge"), but, in fact, it was. In 2000, it was published by the Vatican, and it contained no predictions , just a Revelations-style apocalyptic vision and an exhortation to prayer and worship. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future Pope Benedict XVI, wrote:
Ratzinger said:The purpose of the vision is not to show a film of an irrevocably fixed future. Its meaning is exactly the opposite: it is meant to mobilize the forces of change in the right direction. Therefore we must totally discount fatalistic explanations of the “secret”, such as, for example, the claim that the would-be assassin of 13 May 1981 was merely an instrument of the divine plan guided by Providence and could not therefore have acted freely, or other similar ideas in circulation. Rather, the vision speaks of dangers and how we might be saved from them.
The concluding part of the 'secret' uses images which Lucia may have seen in devotional books and which draw their inspiration from long-standing intuitions of faith.
What remains was already evident when we began our reflections on the text of the 'secret': the exhortation to prayer as the path of 'salvation for souls' and, likewise, the summons to penance and conversion.