The Race For 2024

[Jimmy Higgins]

Did anyone else hear that Trump is now threatening to execute Liz Cheney? He said she should be put in a barrel and shot. If anyone else had said that, I'm pretty sure they would be arrested for making a terrorist threat.

That's not what he said. There's no need to exaggerate what he spews.

That is exactly what he said, as well as calling her a moron. I guess you failed to read the link I quoted in the post following that one. It's all over the news and it's disgusting that a presidential candidate can call to have his opponents executed. Or were you being sarcastic and I missed that.

I didn't need to read your link because I've already read what he said. Let's look at the whole quote:

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy."

Seems pretty clear to me that he's saying, "She wouldn't be so gung-ho on sending people off to war if she had to go with them."

Your interpretation that he was calling for her execution is wildly off-base, and I'm calling you on it. He didn't say she should be "put in a barrel" or that she should be shot, as you've claimed twice now. As I said, he throws out enough crazy nonsense without having to make absurd exaggerations about his statements.

Well, then we will have to agree to disagree. He has threatened numerous people, but what he said about Cheney is worse than most of his other threads. You can pretend that he wasn't serious, but I think if he could, he would physically attack most anyone who is against him, especially a Republican who is campaigning against him. Sure, he's nuttier than a fruitcake, but psychopaths like him have no moral compass.

The context of his quote was regarding use of the military and the "warhawks" freely sending other people out to face threats.

He uses dreadfully poor imagery, especially for a guy that was shot at once and a second attempt was brewing before it was caught. But his statement, in context, refers to politicians who too freely send troops off to fight, when they haven't done so themselves. It isn't an unreasonable observation. It is poorly put forth, but all stable geniuses are known for poor communication skills..

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Don't tell me Trump's rhetoric isn't dangerous and threatening to those who oppose him!

I did not, nor have I ever said any such thing. Don't put words in my mouth. If you want interpret that particular quote as a call for Cheney to be executed, be my guest. I do not. The context was clear, and I don't remember a case where a person was given a rifle before being placed in front of a firing squad.

I will continue to call him out, as I've done before, when he does make a threat.

 

[southernhybrid]

Don't tell me Trump's rhetoric isn't dangerous and threatening to those who oppose him!

I did not, nor have I ever said any such thing. Don't put words in my mouth. If you want interpret that particular quote as a call for Cheney to be executed, be my guest. I do not. The context was clear, and I don't remember a case where a person was given a rifle before being placed in front of a firing squad.

I will continue to call him out, as I've done before, when he does make a threat.

I'm not putting words in your mouth. You are misunderstanding my point. I'm merely disagreeing that what he said wasn't meant as a threat towards Cheney, even if he didn't mean it literally.

Captain Bone Spurs has the nerve to call her a war hawk who wouldn't want to be in battle herself? Trump has threatened Iran, the Palestinians, and there is even evidence that he and the Republicans want to attack Mexico with the military, due to the opioid crisis, along with American citizens, while he would never have agreed to fight for any war. Perhaps we are just misunderstanding each other, but I take his violent rhetoric very seriously. His rhetoric, as I've said before, can inspire some sick individuals to literally try to kill the person that he attacks, regardless of how he meant it Okay, enough already! I'm done.

Sorry, I'm not quite done. I just heard on the news that the threat he made against Cheney might be illegal according to Arizona law and it is being considered. Apparently, the state of AZ is considering what he said as a death threat, so I'm not the only one.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Don't tell me Trump's rhetoric isn't dangerous and threatening to those who oppose him!

I did not, nor have I ever said any such thing. Don't put words in my mouth. If you want interpret that particular quote as a call for Cheney to be executed, be my guest. I do not. The context was clear, and I don't remember a case where a person was given a rifle before being placed in front of a firing squad.

I will continue to call him out, as I've done before, when he does make a threat.

You're 100% correct about the actual quote, but it's the rhetoric that's so alarming. The subtext of this sewer deep rhetoric is violent and authoritarian.

Trump didn't specifically tell his followers to storm Congress, smear shit on the walls, and try to kidnap political enemies, but in the months leading up to and following the election he encouraged and his supporters to violence.

There are no "magic words" when it comes to incitement. One can incite to riot e.g. through inflammatory yet non-specific words. Thus, Trump combining those words the way he did is potentially deadly.

I don't like when the idiot is misquoted or willfully misinterpreted either because it's not necessary. His actual words are already a menace.

 

[TSwizzle]

His rhetoric, as I've said before, can inspire some sick individuals to literally try to kill the person that he attacks

And yet it is Trump who narrowly escaped death when a sick individual took a shot at him and killed a bystander.

 

[southernhybrid]

https://www.12news.com/article/news...hreat/75-91f8b734-06eb-4aeb-a633-89be0df7c4c4

PHOENIX — Arizona's top prosecutor tells 12News she is investigating whether Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump violated state law by making a "death threat" against former GOP Rep. Liz Cheney during remarks Thursday night at an event in Glendale.
"I have already asked my criminal division chief to start looking at that statement, analyzing it for whether it qualifies as a death threat under Arizona's laws," Attorney General Mayes, a first-term Democrat, said during Friday's taping of "Sunday Square Off."

"I'm not prepared now to say whether it was or it wasn't, but it is not helpful as we prepare for our election and as we try to make sure that we keep the peace at our polling places and in our state."

In the state of Georgia, anyone who said what Trump said would likely be charged with making a terroristic threat. Of course, if this did happen in Ga, since MAGAs control my state, he wouldn't be charged, but the charge is common when someone does make a death threat similar to what Trump said. The state might decide it doesn't meet the terms, but apparently I'm not the only one who thinks what he said was a dangerous threat.

 

[TomC]

His rhetoric, as I've said before, can inspire some sick individuals to literally try to kill the person that he attacks

And yet it is Trump who narrowly escaped death when a sick individual took a shot at him and killed a bystander.

He's been inspiring violence for years and survived an attempt. If it was one.

Maybe if Trump weren't so prone to inspiring violence to resolve issues that wouldn't have happened. But he is and has been trying to get violence to make what he wants happen.
Tom

 

[southernhybrid]

His rhetoric, as I've said before, can inspire some sick individuals to literally try to kill the person that he attacks

And yet it is Trump who narrowly escaped death when a sick individual took a shot at him and killed a bystander.

Nobody is denying that there are a lot of sick individuals who try to assassinate people. I'm sure you know that there was evidence that that individual was planning on either trying to kill Trump or Biden. He likely wanted to go down in a blaze of glory as the expression goes, but he missed his primary target. I do feel bad for the family of the person who was killed, and I doubt Trump gives a shit since he has no empathy. I also agree with Tom that Trump's violent rhetoric may have influenced the shooters decision to go choose Trump as his target. From what I've read about that shooter, he sounded like a disturbed young man who had been bullied in school and raised in a dysfunctional home. Unlike Trump, I don't justify violence of any kind.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Don't tell me Trump's rhetoric isn't dangerous and threatening to those who oppose him!

I did not, nor have I ever said any such thing. Don't put words in my mouth. If you want interpret that particular quote as a call for Cheney to be executed, be my guest. I do not. The context was clear, and I don't remember a case where a person was given a rifle before being placed in front of a firing squad.

I will continue to call him out, as I've done before, when he does make a threat.

I'm not putting words in your mouth. You are misunderstanding my point. I'm merely disagreeing that what he said wasn't meant as a threat towards Cheney, even if he didn't mean it literally.

Captain Bone Spurs has the nerve to call her a war hawk who wouldn't want to be in battle herself? Trump has threatened Iran, the Palestinians, and there is even evidence that he and the Republicans want to attack Mexico with the military, due to the opioid crisis, along with American citizens, while he would never have agreed to fight for any war. Perhaps we are just misunderstanding each other, but I take his violent rhetoric very seriously. His rhetoric, as I've said before, can inspire some sick individuals to literally try to kill the person that he attacks, regardless of how he meant it Okay, enough already! I'm done.

Sorry, I'm not quite done. I just heard on the news that the threat he made against Cheney might be illegal according to Arizona law and it is being considered. Apparently, the state of AZ is considering what he said as a death threat, so I'm not the only one.

The AG is attempting to determine WHETHER it was a death threat. Again, you misrepresent the very thing you quote:

"I'm not prepared now to say whether it was or it wasn't"

I guess I'm not the only one you're speaking for.

 

[southernhybrid]

Don't tell me Trump's rhetoric isn't dangerous and threatening to those who oppose him!

I did not, nor have I ever said any such thing. Don't put words in my mouth. If you want interpret that particular quote as a call for Cheney to be executed, be my guest. I do not. The context was clear, and I don't remember a case where a person was given a rifle before being placed in front of a firing squad.

I will continue to call him out, as I've done before, when he does make a threat.

I'm not putting words in your mouth. You are misunderstanding my point. I'm merely disagreeing that what he said wasn't meant as a threat towards Cheney, even if he didn't mean it literally.

Captain Bone Spurs has the nerve to call her a war hawk who wouldn't want to be in battle herself? Trump has threatened Iran, the Palestinians, and there is even evidence that he and the Republicans want to attack Mexico with the military, due to the opioid crisis, along with American citizens, while he would never have agreed to fight for any war. Perhaps we are just misunderstanding each other, but I take his violent rhetoric very seriously. His rhetoric, as I've said before, can inspire some sick individuals to literally try to kill the person that he attacks, regardless of how he meant it Okay, enough already! I'm done.

Sorry, I'm not quite done. I just heard on the news that the threat he made against Cheney might be illegal according to Arizona law and it is being considered. Apparently, the state of AZ is considering what he said as a death threat, so I'm not the only one.

The AG is attempting to determine WHETHER it was a death threat. Again, you misrepresent the very thing you quote:

"I'm not prepared now to say whether it was or it wasn't"

Exactly. She is speaking about the law. I'm speaking based on how I perceived his potentially dangerous threat, even if it doesn't meet the letter of the law. It was still a threat. Get it?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It'd been better if the stable genius had said:

“She’s a radical war hawk. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it then."

The context becomes crystal clear at this point.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Don't tell me Trump's rhetoric isn't dangerous and threatening to those who oppose him!

I did not, nor have I ever said any such thing. Don't put words in my mouth. If you want interpret that particular quote as a call for Cheney to be executed, be my guest. I do not. The context was clear, and I don't remember a case where a person was given a rifle before being placed in front of a firing squad.

I will continue to call him out, as I've done before, when he does make a threat.

I'm not putting words in your mouth. You are misunderstanding my point. I'm merely disagreeing that what he said wasn't meant as a threat towards Cheney, even if he didn't mean it literally.

Captain Bone Spurs has the nerve to call her a war hawk who wouldn't want to be in battle herself? Trump has threatened Iran, the Palestinians, and there is even evidence that he and the Republicans want to attack Mexico with the military, due to the opioid crisis, along with American citizens, while he would never have agreed to fight for any war. Perhaps we are just misunderstanding each other, but I take his violent rhetoric very seriously. His rhetoric, as I've said before, can inspire some sick individuals to literally try to kill the person that he attacks, regardless of how he meant it Okay, enough already! I'm done.

Sorry, I'm not quite done. I just heard on the news that the threat he made against Cheney might be illegal according to Arizona law and it is being considered. Apparently, the state of AZ is considering what he said as a death threat, so I'm not the only one.

The AG is attempting to determine WHETHER it was a death threat. Again, you misrepresent the very thing you quote:

"I'm not prepared now to say whether it was or it wasn't"

Exactly. She is speaking about the law. I'm speaking based on how I perceived his potentially dangerous threat, even if it doesn't meet the letter of the law. It was still a threat. Get it?

I continue to disagree. Context is important. If the state brings charges, I'll be shocked.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

It'd been better if the stable genius had said:

“She’s a radical war hawk. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it then."

The context becomes crystal clear at this point.

I'm sure someone here would still claim it was a threat to have her killed.

 

[Millrat]

It'd been better if the stable genius had said:

“She’s a radical war hawk. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it then."

The context becomes crystal clear at this point.

This.

Also, Hanlon’s razor.

 

[crazyfingers]

Here's an article that goes into more depth regarding Trump's unhinged and dangerous rhetoric.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/01/liz-cheney-trump-guns-shooting/

The former president’s campaign reacted by criticizing media coverage that interpreted his remark to imagine putting Cheney in front of a firing squad rather than sending her into combat. Cheney said Trump’s purpose was to intimidate anyone who challenges him.

“This is how dictators destroy free nations,” Cheney, who lost her position in House Republican leadership for condemning Trump’s actions on Jan. 6, 2021, and went on to serve as vice chair of the committee that investigated the attack on the Capitol, said Friday on social media. “They threaten those who speak against them with death. We cannot entrust our country and our freedom to a petty, vindictive, cruel, unstable man who wants to be a tyrant.”

They can always make up shit to excuse his rhetoric.

Trump’s speeches frequently dwell on gory descriptions of heinous crimes or scenes of mayhem that are embellished or completely imagined. Since 2015, he has encouraged his supporters to rough up hecklers at his rallies, encouraged police officers to injure suspects during arrests, and urged authorities to respond to looters by shooting on sight.



“Sometimes he gets into a level of detail that feels overwrought or over the top,” said Matthew Dallek, a Georgetown University professor who studies right-wing politics. “It’s as if he revels in it.”
Trump has repeatedly suggested that his critics are committing treason, a crime punishable by death — a connection he once made explicitregarding retired general Mark A. Milley, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Trump has also shared online memes depicting violence against Democrats such as President Joe Biden and Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg. He consistently defends and glorifies people charged in the Jan. 6 riot, including some convicted of attacking police, vowing to pardon them if he is elected president.

Don't tell me Trump's rhetoric isn't dangerous and threatening to those who oppose him!

Given that we know that some of his cult will attempt to carry out any wish he asks for, what he said regarding Liz Cheney could be seen as akin to the metaphorical Shouting Fire in a Crowded Theater. He knows that some of his cult followers are very likely to attempt it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It'd been better if the stable genius had said:

“She’s a radical war hawk. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it then."

The context becomes crystal clear at this point.

This.

Also, Hanlon’s razor.

In general, yes. But Trump violates Hanlon and Poe all the damn time. Ask your doctor about injecting disinfectant?!

Generally, when I fact check the latest outrageous statement by Trump, it holds as being outrageous 8 or 9 times out of 10. This one slipped through the cracks as I didn't read through it enough and the media is being a bit loose with how they are reporting it. I just get tired of having to fact check all of the dumb shit that idiot, despot wannabe says.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It'd been better if the stable genius had said:

“She’s a radical war hawk. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it then."

The context becomes crystal clear at this point.

I'm sure someone here would still claim it was a threat to have her killed.

In sohy's defense, the headlines aren't saying the full quote. So it presents a different prejudicial context.

It is annoying that Trump says something isn't completely unreasonable, but then loads it up with unfortunate imagery that can honestly be taken out of context if one isn't careful enough. It is further annoying that the accurate point of her being a warhawk has nothing to with her support of Harris. The right-wing... MAGA-wing (?) is trying to suggest Harris is just like Cheney. Which is insane.

I mean, Trump was threatening nuclear war with North Korea for crying out loud! That was, until his dystopian bromance, Mussolini style.

 

[Toni]

He definitely did, and it wasn't even a good joke.

And that is why it landed flat.

It certainly was a strange choice of comedian for a political rally. But we do live in strange times.

Flat? No. Not flat. It was horrifically offensive be to anyone with two functioning brain cells. So, maybe just replace that for Trump and his supporters.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

His rhetoric, as I've said before, can inspire some sick individuals to literally try to kill the person that he attacks

And yet it is Trump who narrowly escaped death when a sick individual took a shot at him and killed a bystander.

Yes, a non-partisan mentally ill person who had easy access to weapons as per your request. Someone died as result.

So yes, it is surprising that a guy who narrowly escaped being murdered would be so loose with violent rhetoric.

 

[Toni]

It'd been better if the stable genius had said:

“She’s a radical war hawk. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it then."

The context becomes crystal clear at this point.

I'm sure someone here would still claim it was a threat to have her killed.

In sohy's defense, the headlines aren't saying the full quote. So it presents a different prejudicial context.

It is annoying that Trump says something isn't completely unreasonable, but then loads it up with unfortunate imagery that can honestly be taken out of context if one isn't careful enough. It is further annoying that the accurate point of her being a warhawk has nothing to with her support of Harris. The right-wing... MAGA-wing (?) is trying to suggest Harris is just like Cheney. Which is insane.

I mean, Trump was threatening nuclear war with North Korea for crying out loud! That was, until his dystopian bromance, Mussolini style.

Well, certainly it was intended as a threat towards Liz Cheney. Just couched in Trump’s special brand of subtlety. It is not an accident that he only makes such comments suggesting violence directed at women. While claiming he wants to protect women. Whether they like it or not.

Of course, Trump and his ilk are who the world needs protection from, with an extra layer of danger for women. And non-white/white enough people.