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It is so late to the game, but Harris really needs to pump out one more ad. Have it showing Trump espousing being protector of women and then go to the Billy Bush audio.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-cheney-war-hawk-battle/index.html

Donald Trump said former Rep. Liz Cheney is a “war hawk” who should be fired upon, as he raged against one of his most prominent intra-party critics while campaigning Thursday night in Arizona.

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?” the former president said at a campaign event in Glendale with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. “Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”

Trump also hurled insults at Cheney, once the third-ranking Republican in House leadership, calling her “very dumb,” a “stupid person” and “the moron.”


Trump’s suggestion that Cheney be fired upon represents an escalation of the violent language he has used to target his political foes. And it comes days before an election in which the former president — who never accepted his 2020 loss — has already undermined public confidence. In recent weeks, he has also suggested a military crackdown on political opponents he has described as “the enemy within.”
The delusional TDS accusers once again are completely silent.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-cheney-war-hawk-battle/index.html

Donald Trump said former Rep. Liz Cheney is a “war hawk” who should be fired upon, as he raged against one of his most prominent intra-party critics while campaigning Thursday night in Arizona.

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?” the former president said at a campaign event in Glendale with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. “Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”

Trump also hurled insults at Cheney, once the third-ranking Republican in House leadership, calling her “very dumb,” a “stupid person” and “the moron.”


Trump’s suggestion that Cheney be fired upon represents an escalation of the violent language he has used to target his political foes. And it comes days before an election in which the former president — who never accepted his 2020 loss — has already undermined public confidence. In recent weeks, he has also suggested a military crackdown on political opponents he has described as “the enemy within.”
The delusional TDS accusers once again are completely silent.
Again, making me wonder how much of their words is performance art.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-cheney-war-hawk-battle/index.html

Donald Trump said former Rep. Liz Cheney is a “war hawk” who should be fired upon, as he raged against one of his most prominent intra-party critics while campaigning Thursday night in Arizona.

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?” the former president said at a campaign event in Glendale with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. “Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”

Trump also hurled insults at Cheney, once the third-ranking Republican in House leadership, calling her “very dumb,” a “stupid person” and “the moron.”


Trump’s suggestion that Cheney be fired upon represents an escalation of the violent language he has used to target his political foes. And it comes days before an election in which the former president — who never accepted his 2020 loss — has already undermined public confidence. In recent weeks, he has also suggested a military crackdown on political opponents he has described as “the enemy within.”
The delusional TDS accusers once again are completely silent.
Lots of them think this is normal. It’s a sort of arrested development thing; they been throwing the same tantrum since they were three - just like Trump.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-cheney-war-hawk-battle/index.html

Donald Trump said former Rep. Liz Cheney is a “war hawk” who should be fired upon, as he raged against one of his most prominent intra-party critics while campaigning Thursday night in Arizona.

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?” the former president said at a campaign event in Glendale with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. “Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”

Trump also hurled insults at Cheney, once the third-ranking Republican in House leadership, calling her “very dumb,” a “stupid person” and “the moron.”


Trump’s suggestion that Cheney be fired upon represents an escalation of the violent language he has used to target his political foes. And it comes days before an election in which the former president — who never accepted his 2020 loss — has already undermined public confidence. In recent weeks, he has also suggested a military crackdown on political opponents he has described as “the enemy within.”
The delusional TDS accusers once again are completely silent.
Again, making me wonder how much of their words is performance ar
I screwed something up here^.

Anyway, there are essentially two types of Trump supporters. The vast majority aren't performative. They're just pig-ignorant of history. They don't understand authoritarianism and therefore can't understand what it looks like nor how it will affect them personally. Certainly many of them are mean spirited enough to take delight in the murder of perceived enemies, but most don't really believe that's actually going to happen.

Then there are those who do understand authoritarianism and what it means. They actively want it in order to achieve their goals. Those goals boil down to two basic things:

1. Cleansing America of undesirables, which includes anyone who doesn't support Trump. For practical reasons, racial minorities and opposing political figures are neck and neck at the top of the list because they're easiest to identify.

2. American theocracy. Biblical principles, likely interpreted by the likes of Mike Johnson, rather than Constitutional principles will become the new rule of law. My gut feeling is that these people are patient enough to let Trump run amok, knowing that he won't live that long, and then they'll take over in earnest. Their enemies list is nearly indistinguishable from the one above, but with more of a focus on LGBT, non-believers, and even Christian fringe groups. Certainly all other faiths are on the list as well.

Well, I'm off to do my job. I wonder what that's going to look like a year from now.
 
Well, I'm off to do my job. I wonder what that's going to look like a year from now.
Iirc you are a lawyer?
It won’t be pretty if you do criminal law, unless you represent trumpsuckers.
Civil law probably won’t get you in trouble because neither Trump nor his idiot brigade understand it.
 
Did anyone else hear that Trump is now threatening to execute Liz Cheney? He said she should be put in a barrel and shot. If anyone else had said that, I'm pretty sure they would be arrested for making a terrorist threat. 😡
That's not what he said. There's no need to exaggerate what he spews.
That is exactly what he said, as well as calling her a moron. I guess you failed to read the link I quoted in the post following that one. It's all over the news and it's disgusting that a presidential candidate can call to have his opponents executed. Or were you being sarcastic and I missed that.
 
Did anyone else hear that Trump is now threatening to execute Liz Cheney? He said she should be put in a barrel and shot. If anyone else had said that, I'm pretty sure they would be arrested for making a terrorist threat. 😡
That's not what he said. There's no need to exaggerate what he spews.
That is exactly what he said, as well as calling her a moron.
You did misparaphrase it. He didn't say put her in a barrel and shoot her. He could have been using the worst metaphor with SCOTUS one could ever use, the only possible interpretation that doesn't mean put her in front of a firing squad, and Trump lacks the intelligence to even make that metaphor. He is dumber than Drax's butt.
I guess you failed to read the link I quoted in the post following that one. It's all over the news and it's disgusting that a presidential candidate can call to have his opponents executed. Or were you being sarcastic and I missed that.
Hurtinbuckaroo isn't exactly an easy goer on Trump. So let's tap the brakes here.
 
He said put her in the barrel? Like, shoot Liz out of a gun? That would be cruel. I thought he only wanted nine rifles to shoot her in the face, like a normal trumpsucker would approve.
Even trumpsuckers are too civilized to want to shoot people out of guns. The spatter could get on their truck.
 
Did anyone else hear that Trump is now threatening to execute Liz Cheney? He said she should be put in a barrel and shot. If anyone else had said that, I'm pretty sure they would be arrested for making a terrorist threat. 😡
That's not what he said. There's no need to exaggerate what he spews.
That is exactly what he said, as well as calling her a moron. I guess you failed to read the link I quoted in the post following that one. It's all over the news and it's disgusting that a presidential candidate can call to have his opponents executed. Or were you being sarcastic and I missed that.
I didn't need to read your link because I've already read what he said. Let's look at the whole quote:

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy."

Seems pretty clear to me that he's saying, "She wouldn't be so gung-ho on sending people off to war if she had to go with them."

Your interpretation that he was calling for her execution is wildly off-base, and I'm calling you on it. He didn't say she should be "put in a barrel" or that she should be shot, as you've claimed twice now. As I said, he throws out enough crazy nonsense without having to make absurd exaggerations about his statements.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-cheney-war-hawk-battle/index.html

Donald Trump said former Rep. Liz Cheney is a “war hawk” who should be fired upon, as he raged against one of his most prominent intra-party critics while campaigning Thursday night in Arizona.

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?” the former president said at a campaign event in Glendale with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. “Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”

Trump also hurled insults at Cheney, once the third-ranking Republican in House leadership, calling her “very dumb,” a “stupid person” and “the moron.”


Trump’s suggestion that Cheney be fired upon represents an escalation of the violent language he has used to target his political foes. And it comes days before an election in which the former president — who never accepted his 2020 loss — has already undermined public confidence. In recent weeks, he has also suggested a military crackdown on political opponents he has described as “the enemy within.”
Sure, but have you considered how bad Kamala's laughter is?
 
Did anyone else hear that Trump is now threatening to execute Liz Cheney? He said she should be put in a barrel and shot. If anyone else had said that, I'm pretty sure they would be arrested for making a terrorist threat. 😡
That's not what he said. There's no need to exaggerate what he spews.
That is exactly what he said, as well as calling her a moron. I guess you failed to read the link I quoted in the post following that one. It's all over the news and it's disgusting that a presidential candidate can call to have his opponents executed. Or were you being sarcastic and I missed that.
I didn't need to read your link because I've already read what he said. Let's look at the whole quote:

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy."

Seems pretty clear to me that he's saying, "She wouldn't be so gung-ho on sending people off to war if she had to go with them."

Your interpretation that he was calling for her execution is wildly off-base, and I'm calling you on it. He didn't say she should be "put in a barrel" or that she should be shot, as you've claimed twice now. As I said, he throws out enough crazy nonsense without having to make absurd exaggerations about his statements.
Thanks! It does get exhausting having to fact check every thing he says. The reporting on this was a bit loose. Let my guard down once...
 
Did anyone else hear that Trump is now threatening to execute Liz Cheney? He said she should be put in a barrel and shot. If anyone else had said that, I'm pretty sure they would be arrested for making a terrorist threat. 😡
That's not what he said. There's no need to exaggerate what he spews.
That is exactly what he said, as well as calling her a moron. I guess you failed to read the link I quoted in the post following that one. It's all over the news and it's disgusting that a presidential candidate can call to have his opponents executed. Or were you being sarcastic and I missed that.
I didn't need to read your link because I've already read what he said. Let's look at the whole quote:

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy."

Seems pretty clear to me that he's saying, "She wouldn't be so gung-ho on sending people off to war if she had to go with them."

Your interpretation that he was calling for her execution is wildly off-base, and I'm calling you on it. He didn't say she should be "put in a barrel" or that she should be shot, as you've claimed twice now. As I said, he throws out enough crazy nonsense without having to make absurd exaggerations about his statements.
“Let’s put there there with nine barrels SHOOTING AT HER”
-DJT
 
Did anyone else hear that Trump is now threatening to execute Liz Cheney? He said she should be put in a barrel and shot. If anyone else had said that, I'm pretty sure they would be arrested for making a terrorist threat. 😡
That's not what he said. There's no need to exaggerate what he spews.
That is exactly what he said, as well as calling her a moron. I guess you failed to read the link I quoted in the post following that one. It's all over the news and it's disgusting that a presidential candidate can call to have his opponents executed. Or were you being sarcastic and I missed that.
I didn't need to read your link because I've already read what he said. Let's look at the whole quote:

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy."

Seems pretty clear to me that he's saying, "She wouldn't be so gung-ho on sending people off to war if she had to go with them."

Your interpretation that he was calling for her execution is wildly off-base, and I'm calling you on it. He didn't say she should be "put in a barrel" or that she should be shot, as you've claimed twice now. As I said, he throws out enough crazy nonsense without having to make absurd exaggerations about his statements.
I take no pleasure in defending Trump, but that's a reasonable interpretation of what he's trying to communicate. He's terrible at communication, just one of many reasons why he shouldn't be President, but I don't think he's actively calling for the execution of Liz Cheney in this quote, even if that is something that he might actually want to do.
 
Well, I'm off to do my job. I wonder what that's going to look like a year from now.
Iirc you are a lawyer?
It won’t be pretty if you do criminal law, unless you represent trumpsuckers.
Civil law probably won’t get you in trouble because neither Trump nor his idiot brigade understand it.
Yep, I'm an attorney. I do family law and some civil litigation.

My field would primarily be affected by the loss of 14th Amendment rights e.g. equal protection, civil rights, etc. There are also serious 2AM issues as well. I do a lot of domestic violence cases. Here in California, the Domestic Violence Prevention Act (DVPA) forbids the possession of all firearms and even body armor by the restrained party until X period of time. They have to turn in all firearms to the police or a registered firearms dealer. My brief trial setting conference this morning involves a Sovereign Citizen on the other side. Good god, what an idiot, but an idiot with unregistered and altered firearms. It's a scary case.

Also, same sex divorces would become an issue again. For example, will the spousal support rules change for them if the 14th AM is shitcanned and/or if SCOTUS decides it's no longer legal? With total reign/no opposition can they make the rules retroactive to delegitimize same sex marriage? My guess is that they will. The implications of that will be far ranging. In that case, the 10th Amendment would be turned upside down because very generally, states can make whatever laws they want as long as those laws are compliant with the federal constitution. Key to that in my line of work is that SCOTUS turned all family law matters over to the states back in the late 60s or early 70s (I don't recall exactly, but it's not relevant). Thus, the federal system would become more deeply involved in family law matters.

What that would look like is anybody's guess, but it's reasonable to speculate that it's potentially catastrophic for tens of millions of people, particularly the low and no income parties and their children. California has determined that child support is in the child's best interest, but what happens if guideline support is eliminated?

What if the rules about having to pay attorney's fees when there's a significant disparity income and ability to pay is eliminated? Despite the ideal that women can make just as much money as men, the reality is that women often stay home to raise the kids, thereby decimating their earning potential while husband is able to advance his career.

I could go on about this forever and I've gone on enough already. The point is that we're on the verge of disaster in all legal fields.

One more thing. What if employers can no longer be held accountable for their negligence, e.g. workplace injuries?

All fields will be severely impacted.
 
Well, I'm off to do my job. I wonder what that's going to look like a year from now.
Iirc you are a lawyer?
It won’t be pretty if you do criminal law, unless you represent trumpsuckers.
Civil law probably won’t get you in trouble because neither Trump nor his idiot brigade understand it.
Yep, I'm an attorney. I do family law and some civil litigation.

My field would primarily be affected by the loss of 14th Amendment rights e.g. equal protection, civil rights, etc. There are also serious 2AM issues as well. I do a lot of domestic violence cases. Here in California, the Domestic Violence Prevention Act (DVPA) forbids the possession of all firearms and even body armor by the restrained party until X period of time. They have to turn in all firearms to the police or a registered firearms dealer. My brief trial setting conference this morning involves a Sovereign Citizen on the other side. Good god, what an idiot, but an idiot with unregistered and altered firearms. It's a scary case.

Also, same sex divorces would become an issue again. For example, will the spousal support rules change for them if the 14th AM is shitcanned and/or if SCOTUS decides it's no longer legal? With total reign/no opposition can they make the rules retroactive to delegitimize same sex marriage? My guess is that they will. The implications of that will be far ranging. In that case, the 10th Amendment would be turned upside down because very generally, states can make whatever laws they want as long as those laws are compliant with the federal constitution. Key to that in my line of work is that SCOTUS turned all family law matters over to the states back in the late 60s or early 70s (I don't recall exactly, but it's not relevant). Thus, the federal system would become more deeply involved in family law matters.

What that would look like is anybody's guess, but it's reasonable to speculate that it's potentially catastrophic for tens of millions of people, particularly the low and no income parties and their children. California has determined that child support is in the child's best interest, but what happens if guideline support is eliminated?

What if the rules about having to pay attorney's fees when there's a significant disparity income and ability to pay is eliminated? Despite the ideal that women can make just as much money as men, the reality is that women often stay home to raise the kids, thereby decimating their earning potential while husband is able to advance his career.

I could go on about this forever and I've gone on enough already. The point is that we're on the verge of disaster in all legal fields.

One more thing. What if employers can no longer be held accountable for their negligence, e.g. workplace injuries?

All fields will be severely impacted.
Sounds pretty familiar to the conversations we're quietly having in higher ed. People like to imagine in brighter moments that state law at least will protect them, if they live in a "blue state". But there are way too many threads leading back to the White House already, and the Trump administration will be building more. Chaotically and ineffectively as before, but that's cold comfort if you need to get anything done.

I hope you are wrong about the extent the Supreme Court will be willing to go. The 14th Amendment saved the Constitution as a whole, if you ask me. I don't see a healthy and peaceful future a democratic country in which the public does not generally trust that the law will be applied equally to all citizens.
 
Did anyone else hear that Trump is now threatening to execute Liz Cheney? He said she should be put in a barrel and shot. If anyone else had said that, I'm pretty sure they would be arrested for making a terrorist threat. 😡
That's not what he said. There's no need to exaggerate what he spews.
That is exactly what he said, as well as calling her a moron. I guess you failed to read the link I quoted in the post following that one. It's all over the news and it's disgusting that a presidential candidate can call to have his opponents executed. Or were you being sarcastic and I missed that.
I didn't need to read your link because I've already read what he said. Let's look at the whole quote:

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying, ‘Oh gee, let’s send 10,000 troops right in the mouth of the enemy."

Seems pretty clear to me that he's saying, "She wouldn't be so gung-ho on sending people off to war if she had to go with them."

Your interpretation that he was calling for her execution is wildly off-base, and I'm calling you on it. He didn't say she should be "put in a barrel" or that she should be shot, as you've claimed twice now. As I said, he throws out enough crazy nonsense without having to make absurd exaggerations about his statements.
Well, then we will have to agree to disagree. He has threatened numerous people, but what he said about Cheney is worse than most of his other threads. You can pretend that he wasn't serious, but I think if he could, he would physically attack most anyone who is against him, especially a Republican who is campaigning against him. Sure, he's nuttier than a fruitcake, but psychopaths like him have no moral compass.

Besides that, even if he was being metaphorical, speaking like that sometimes makes sick people who adore him, physically attack the person he threatens. Why do you think Pelosi's husband was attacked? Would that person have done what he did if it weren't for Trump's rhetoric? Why were his supporters at the capital screaming hang Mike Pence or trying to kill Nancy Pelosi. Trump's rhetoric is dangerous and that is why so many people have had to have extra protection, including Fanni Willis, who has received many death threats. I'm pretty sure he'd be delighted if one of his more dangerous supporters killed a few of these people, than somehow he would blame it on the Democrats. Just sayin'.
 
Here's an article that goes into more depth regarding Trump's unhinged and dangerous rhetoric.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/01/liz-cheney-trump-guns-shooting/

The former president’s campaign reacted by criticizing media coverage that interpreted his remark to imagine putting Cheney in front of a firing squad rather than sending her into combat. Cheney said Trump’s purpose was to intimidate anyone who challenges him.

“This is how dictators destroy free nations,” Cheney, who lost her position in House Republican leadership for condemning Trump’s actions on Jan. 6, 2021, and went on to serve as vice chair of the committee that investigated the attack on the Capitol, said Friday on social media. “They threaten those who speak against them with death. We cannot entrust our country and our freedom to a petty, vindictive, cruel, unstable man who wants to be a tyrant.”

They can always make up shit to excuse his rhetoric.

Trump’s speeches frequently dwell on gory descriptions of heinous crimes or scenes of mayhem that are embellished or completely imagined. Since 2015, he has encouraged his supporters to rough up hecklers at his rallies, encouraged police officers to injure suspects during arrests, and urged authorities to respond to looters by shooting on sight.



“Sometimes he gets into a level of detail that feels overwrought or over the top,” said Matthew Dallek, a Georgetown University professor who studies right-wing politics. “It’s as if he revels in it.”
Trump has repeatedly suggested that his critics are committing treason, a crime punishable by death — a connection he once made explicitregarding retired general Mark A. Milley, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Trump has also shared online memes depicting violence against Democrats such as President Joe Biden and Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg. He consistently defends and glorifies people charged in the Jan. 6 riot, including some convicted of attacking police, vowing to pardon them if he is elected president.

Don't tell me Trump's rhetoric isn't dangerous and threatening to those who oppose him!
 
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