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It is not cheap. And still nuclear waste accumulates at nuclear sites. No solution in sight. Can the new mini nuclear plants work, including economically? That remains to be proven. Get back to us when the nuclear power industry solves the nuclear waste problem for real. Maybe the U.S. can ship this waste to Australia and bury in in the outback?
 
Water in Texas. In case nobody here knows, Texas is having a water problem. There is a limited supply of good water as our cities grow in size. We are getting close to running some of our aquifers dry. This is a problem that will only get worse in coming decades. Already, Texas and Mexico are having issues on water from the Rio Grande.
In the future, this will affect everything. Water for cities, tiwns, industry, agriculture. And nuclear despite assurances from some here that is not a problem. Another big wrench in everybody's plans in Texas. Especially West Texas.
 
nuclear waste accumulates at nuclear sites. No solution in sight
A theoretical physicist who works at LANL told my that by his calculation, the waste product of all nuclear power generation sufficient to supply 95% of ALL American electrical demand (with tech that was current some 12 years ago), would annually be the size of ONE large refrigerator. It would be cheaper to launch it into the sun than to clean up after one coal plant that produces a fraction of one percent. Only the risk of a launch disaster prevents that “solution” from being invoked. But the point is that the harm of byproducts of nuclear electrical generation, is dwarfed by the harm of “conventional” sources.
 
American nuclear reactors are creating waste currently stored on site. Condensing it down to a refrigerator size block? That is not happening. And it ain't gonna be done anytime soon. It sounds rather doubtful to me. Meanwhile nuclear waste accumulates and nobody wants to pay to deal with it in a safe and technically adequte manner. Kick that can down the road some more.
 
it ain't gonna be done anytime soon
Did I mention that he is a THEORETICAL physicist?
The point (his point) was that nuclear waste is a problem that is vanishingly small when compared to the devastating byproducts of all other forms of electrical power generation. In support of that thesis, I’ll re-post this graphic;

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Nuclear waste is a problem. And it is getting worse.

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As small modular nuclear reactors come closer to reality in the U.S., managing and disposing of their highly radioactive waste should be a national priority. Forty years after the passage of the Nuclear Waste Policy Act, there is, “no clear path forward for the siting, licensing, and construction of a geologic repository” for nuclear waste, according to a recent U.S. National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine report.

The good news is that there is already a clear strategy for managing and disposing of this highly radioactive material. The bad news is that the U.S. government has yet to seriously follow that plan.
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managing and disposing of their highly radioactive waste should be a national priority.
Yes. because people are terrified of it.
Why are people terrified of it? Because of the 128 people who died from exposure to nuclear waste from 2022-2021?
No, wait. That was coal mining. Just the mining part.
I can’t find anything like that for nuclear.
 
This radioactive waste remains dangerous for milions of years. Hey, we don't need to do anything now. Let future descendents deal with it all! And people wonder why nuclear energy has a bad reputation.
 
This radioactive waste remains dangerous for milions of years.
So does the act of implementing every other form of energy generation. The difference is that we simply consider other forms to involve acceptable levels of risk, despite the fact that the harm from those risks manifests every day instead of hypothetically some time in millions of years. And then there’s the obvious fact that using conventional means will shortly render the planet less habitable to humans, if they haven’t already. THAT, and loss of biodiversity seem far greater and truly existential “risks”.
 
This radioactive waste remains dangerous for milions of years.
It needs to be addressed, yes. Though "millions" is probably a bit much. And work can be done on trying to reuse spent fuel.
Hey, we don't need to do anything now. Let future descendents deal with it all! And people wonder why nuclear energy has a bad reputation.
Currently the amount of waste that would be created would be a very small amount. Currently, sticking with carbon we are giving our descendants a warmer, more unstable planet. Green gets us to a much more sustainable system, maybe even one where the environment starts sucking in some of the CO2 back. But that green includes a lot of nuclear. Any other option is a fail. We can't develop enough wind and solar to provide us 24/365 energy. There is no way to manage that with storage gimmicks.

So that leaves us with hydro (where it is feasible... and we aren't building any more of those, at least not the big dam ones) and nuclear.

Look, I'm not some blind lover of nuclear power, I've only recently come to the conclusion that nuclear power is the green energy source required to reduce carbon in the atmosphere (or at least the addition of carbon to the atmosphere) until we figure out fusion in 10 million years. There is no way to manage it without nuclear, wind and solar are too intermittent to get the job done. Unlike bilby, I think solar and wind at least help us reduce carbon in the short-term, mainly because even if we wanted to, building nuclear plants would take some time and solar/wind can help get us across the gap.
 
This radioactive waste remains dangerous for milions of years. Hey, we don't need to do anything now. Let future descendents deal with it all! And people wonder why nuclear energy has a bad reputation.
It doesn't remain dangerous for that long.

Furthermore, most of that is actually unused fuel--because we won't reprocess it because people panic about "plutonium." Sorry, but it's almost impossible to make a bomb out of reactor waste. A plutonium bomb is hard enough as it is (the physics of the explosive lenses is complex and the tolerances are extreme) and it gets much, much harder when you use power reactor plutonium with it's heavy load of Pu-240.

Besides, a while back I ran into a paper describing in general how to build a hydrogen bomb without a fission trigger (the design used explosives to compress a magnetic field to get the required compression.) Their designs topped out at 2kt--but that was a multi-stage device. That means they felt it was possible to detonate a stage without putting a fission trigger in it (the standard Teller-Ulam design has a plutonium rod in the secondary which gets compressed along with the lithium deutride and provides the ignition) and that strongly suggests that they simply stopped there from not wanting to be too detailed. At least Teller-Ulam stages can be stacked as many levels as you want. At least the design required deuterium/tritium gas rather than lithium deutride.
 
And still nuclear waste accumulates at nuclear sites. No solution in sight.
You're looking straight at it, and refusing to see.

The "solution" to nuclear waste IS dry cask storage on site.

The question you need to answer is "what is the problem?"

Who or what is at risk here? Who is going to get hurt, and how? What environmental damage is going to occur, and how?

Nuclear waste is not 'green goo' - it's a boring grey ceramic solid, heavy and insoluble. Even if a cask was somehow broken open, the materials inside aren't going to go anywhere; as long as everyone stays back a few metres, nobody's going to get hurt.

And these casks are inside the perimeter fence of nuclear power plants. Nobody's casually going to stroll up to them uninvited.

Nuclear waste is the only waste stream in the history of human industry that has never hurt anyone, and never been dumped, un-contained, into the environment.

It's irrational to demand a solution for something that's not a problem.
 
This radioactive waste remains dangerous for milions of years.
Unlike other industrial waste, which remains dangerous forever..

The most dangerous isotopes are the ones that decay quickly. They will be gone in a few centuries. The rest isn't particularly hazardous once it's that old - you wouldn't want to eat it, but that's true of almost any industrial waste.
 
This radioactive waste remains dangerous for milions of years. Hey, we don't need to do anything now. Let future descendents deal with it all! And people wonder why nuclear energy has a bad reputation.
It doesn't remain dangerous for that long.

Furthermore, most of that is actually unused fuel--because we won't reprocess it because people panic about "plutonium." Sorry, but it's almost impossible to make a bomb out of reactor waste. A plutonium bomb is hard enough as it is (the physics of the explosive lenses is complex and the tolerances are extreme) and it gets much, much harder when you use power reactor plutonium with it's heavy load of Pu-240.

Besides, a while back I ran into a paper describing in general how to build a hydrogen bomb without a fission trigger (the design used explosives to compress a magnetic field to get the required compression.) Their designs topped out at 2kt--but that was a multi-stage device. That means they felt it was possible to detonate a stage without putting a fission trigger in it (the standard Teller-Ulam design has a plutonium rod in the secondary which gets compressed along with the lithium deutride and provides the ignition) and that strongly suggests that they simply stopped there from not wanting to be too detailed. At least Teller-Ulam stages can be stacked as many levels as you want. At least the design required deuterium/tritium gas rather than lithium deutride.
Yeah, proliferation isn't really an issue; Anyone who has the technology to make a nuclear bomb out of power reactor waste already has the technology to make a nuclear bomb more easily, by just building a reactor explicitly designed to make weapons grade material.

Dual use reactors were tried in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and turned out to be pretty useless at both tasks; A design that's good for electricity generation is not good for making weapons grade plutonium, and vice-versa.

It's notable that only one country that has developed nuclear weapons did so after they had built a nuclear power plant; And in that instance (India), their bomb program was completely independent of materials from their power plants.

Every other nuclear weapons state, from the USA to North Korea, had the bomb before they had nuclear power; And in many cases, they have the bomb, but still don't have nuclear power.

The two technologies are only vaguely related. You might as well try to prevent people from getting hold of napalm by banning them from using automobiles fuelled by gasoline, on the grounds that hydrocarbon combustion is the basis of both.

The idea that mere possession of weapons grade fissile material is sufficient to build a nuclear bomb is laughable; If that was all that was needed, the Manhattan project would have cost a few thousand dollars and been over in a month. And the Germans would have likely had atomic bombs long before the Americans did.
 
For 40 years, we have argued against the stupidity of the Yucca Flats project. "It is perfectly acceptable to build a long term major nuclear waste site ON AN ACTIVE EARTHQUAKE FAULT". Yeah baby. And now large amounts of nucleare waste the U.S. does not have the brains to deal with competently. Plus future decommisioned reactors with many tons of radioactive metal to dispose of sometime in the future. Now, why do people think many people do not trust the good will or intelligence of the nuclear industry and its groupies? Many people realize that we cannot trust the nuke industry with a burnt out match.
 
For 40 years, we have argued against the stupidity of the Yucca Flats project. "It is perfectly acceptable to build a long term major nuclear waste site ON AN ACTIVE EARTHQUAKE FAULT". Yeah baby. And now large amounts of nucleare waste the U.S. does not have the brains to deal with competently. Plus future decommisioned reactors with many tons of radioactive metal to dispose of sometime in the future. Now, why do people think many people do not trust the good will or intelligence of the nuclear industry and its groupies? Many people realize that we cannot trust the nuke industry with a burnt out match.
I would love to refute your point here, but I am sadly unable to determine what it is, or even whether you have one.

Yes, I am aware that when nuclear waste is mentioned, lots of apparently reasonable people totally lose their minds. But I doubt that your post was intended solely to demonstrate that fact.

Could you perhaps specify exactly what you think the problem is with nuclear waste, and why you think it's a problem?

Is it the number of deaths and injuries it has so far caused (zero)?

Or do you maybe have a plausible scenario in mind for a future situation in which nuclear waste hurts someone? How do you expect this to occur, and how does the risk compare to that of other industrial waste streams?

Please, be specific; And talk as though you're explaining this to someone who doesn't start with the assumption that nuclear waste is inherently and uniquely dangerous - if you do wish to include that characteristic, you're going to need to explicitly set out how and why you reached that position.

For what it's worth, I strongly oppose the Yucca Flats project - not because it's risky, but because it's completely pointless. We don't need a solution for a problem we can't even clearly define; And even if we did, how could we ever know that our proposed solution would be effective, in the absence of a clearly defined problem?

Spending a lot of money to solve a problem that is entirely imaginary is indeed folly.
 
This radioactive waste remains dangerous for milions of years.
Unlike other industrial waste, which remains dangerous forever..

The most dangerous isotopes are the ones that decay quickly. They will be gone in a few centuries. The rest isn't particularly hazardous once it's that old - you wouldn't want to eat it, but that's true of almost any industrial waste.
A lot of it is heavy metals--there are very few heavy metals that you could tolerate eating and those are ones that are non-reactive enough to avoid causing problems. Guess what, fly ash from coal plants is also rather nasty in the heavy metal department.
 
Yeah, proliferation isn't really an issue; Anyone who has the technology to make a nuclear bomb out of power reactor waste already has the technology to make a nuclear bomb more easily, by just building a reactor explicitly designed to make weapons grade material.
The fear is theft--but at that level they're not going to be able to actually build a bomb.

Dual use reactors were tried in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and turned out to be pretty useless at both tasks; A design that's good for electricity generation is not good for making weapons grade plutonium, and vice-versa.
You could make a practical dual-use reactor by making a design that allowed very easy fuel changes. The proposed liquid fuel systems would qualify, as would the idea I dreamed up of using fuel balls instead of rods--they slowly roll down a track in the reactor.

It's notable that only one country that has developed nuclear weapons did so after they had built a nuclear power plant; And in that instance (India), their bomb program was completely independent of materials from their power plants.

Every other nuclear weapons state, from the USA to North Korea, had the bomb before they had nuclear power; And in many cases, they have the bomb, but still don't have nuclear power.
I don't think you can draw much of a conclusion from that as most of the reactor states did so under the NPT.

The idea that mere possession of weapons grade fissile material is sufficient to build a nuclear bomb is laughable; If that was all that was needed, the Manhattan project would have cost a few thousand dollars and been over in a month. And the Germans would have likely had atomic bombs long before the Americans did.
Weapons grade uranium is pretty easy to turn into a bomb.

Back then they didn't know the numbers and obtaining weapons grade uranium is itself a huge project.

As for the difficulty of design, I suggest looking up the Nth country project. They took two newly graduated engineers who knew nothing of nuclear matters and had no access to classified data. They were provided with a "laboratory" that would conduct experiments they directed (staffed by real bomb engineers--mostly they just figured out what the results would be but sometimes they actually carried out the experiment because they couldn't simulate for sure) and told to design a bomb.

The design (plutonium implosion, they didn't even consider uranium gun as it was too easy) was pronounced workable. That was more than 50 years ago. The information is out there even pre-internet. The only real control is keeping tight control on anything that's weapons grade--but that's actually not that hard because civilian reactors don't ever need to work with weapons grade material.
 
For 40 years, we have argued against the stupidity of the Yucca Flats project. "It is perfectly acceptable to build a long term major nuclear waste site ON AN ACTIVE EARTHQUAKE FAULT". Yeah baby. And now large amounts of nucleare waste the U.S. does not have the brains to deal with competently. Plus future decommisioned reactors with many tons of radioactive metal to dispose of sometime in the future. Now, why do people think many people do not trust the good will or intelligence of the nuclear industry and its groupies? Many people realize that we cannot trust the nuke industry with a burnt out match.
Earthquake, so what? I live near it and I don't care. I oppose Yucca because I don't believe we should be burying the stuff in the first place without extracting the useful stuff first. All I care about with a storage facility is it have very low soil mobility. That can be accomplished by being dry enough (the idea behind Yucca) or simply not disturbed (pack it up in heavy enough containers, toss it overboard above the Abyssal plains and far from earthquakes. So long as it sinks into the mud decently it's not going to actually get into the ocean before it decays.)
 
The attitude that nuclear waste is an imaginary problem we need not worry about is why many people do not trust the nuclear industry that is not taking care of that exact issue.
 
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