The shooting of Philando Castile (Live streamed on FB)

[Nice Squirrel]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

Authorities say that a man is dead after being shot by police Wednesday evening after being pulled over in a traffic stop.

The incident took place in Falcon Heights, Minnesota, near Minneapolis.
The victim's name is Philando Castile, his mother Valerie told CNN affiliate WCCO.
No one besides Castile was injured in the shooting -- which comes amid a national debate in the U.S. on when officers can use lethal force -- Sgt. Jon Mangseth, the interim chief of the St. Anthony Police Department, told reporters.
In the car with him were a young girl and an adult woman, who live-streamed the immediate aftermath of the shooting on Facebook.

Discuss.


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I'll be recusing myself from this discussion for a bit until it is clear I do not know anyone involved.

 

[Deepak]

"It's OK," the little girl says. "I'm right here with you."

The Bard couldn't have written a more fitting ending.

 

[southernhybrid]

Since the black guy that was murdered by the police had a gun that appears to have been legally purchased, it's now apparent that the 2nd amendment only applies to white guys. Some of the worst thugs seem to be employed by police departments. Disgusting. What more does one need to say?

 

[RavenSky]

Since the black guy that was murdered by the police had a gun that appears to have been legally purchased, it's now apparent that the 2nd amendment only applies to white guys...

I think that has been apparent for a long time

Reynolds, who was in the front passenger seat, says in the video that they were pulled over for a broken tail light. She says police asked Castile, who was driving, for his license and registration.

She says as Castile was reaching for his wallet, he informed officers that he had a firearm in his possession, and a conceal-and-carry permit.

Reynolds says in the video that an officer then shot her boyfriend four times.

The officer in the video at one point screams, “I told him not to reach for it! I told him to get his hand out …”

Reynolds tells the officer, “You told him to get his I.D., sir, his driver’s license.”

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/06/police-officer-involved-shooting-in-falcon-heights/

It sounds like this man did everything exactly right - exactly like a white man with a concealed carry permit would do it - and yet he is still dead... killed by police. Shot point blank right in front of the little girl in the back seat.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The officer in the video at one point screams, “I told him not to reach for it! I told him to get his hand out …”

Reynolds tells the officer, “You told him to get his I.D., sir, his driver’s license.”

It should be quite clear from the video that the officer knew he had made a mistake.

I cannot fathom (well, I can) why the officer could then not get through his head that he mislabeled the people as thugs. Then, he should have followed with putting his gun away and applying emergency medical treatment such as stopping the bleeding with a turniquette until the ambulance arrived.

Instead, he just stands there, yelling "Fuck" pointing his gun at the man he shot. When other police arrive, the first thing they do is get the black woman out of the car treating her like a criminal threat as well.

 

[RavenSky]

One thing I've noticed in just about all of these incidents - conflicting orders from police, sometimes from the same police officer.

In this case, the police officer apparently ordered the driver to get his driver's license and registration, but then also presumably told the driver not to reach for the gun. None of this is on the video, only the girlfriend and the cop talking about it after the fact, but it is a common theme in these killings.

 

[Sarpedon]

Remember: carrying a gun makes you safer!

 

[Playball40]

So, how is this guy a thug? How was he 'not following orders'? How was he "resisting"? How was he being disrespectful? Come on people, where's all the cop justification?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

 

[RavenSky]

but but but....

He once drove a car without insurance...

and and and...

there was weed in the car!


Love that photo, btw. Saw it without the words on one of the news reports

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Escalation, escalation, escalation. Over a car pulled over for a broken tail light.

No video of the incident, we'll probably never have an unfiltered understanding of what happened. Time to make body cams required nationally.

 

[laughing dog]

Whether we like it or not, it is obvious the life of a police officer is more important to society than the life of an actual thug or a putative thug or anyone else. Otherwise, there would be more accountability on the part of the police when tragedies like this go down.

 

[Derec]

Since the black guy that was murdered by the police

Why do you say he was murdered? No investigation has been completed yet. And even if the cop is at fault (as appears likely, but far from certain) it would most likely be manslaughter, not murder.

 

[Derec]

It sounds like this man did everything exactly right - exactly like a white man with a concealed carry permit would do it - and yet he is still dead... killed by police. Shot point blank right in front of the little girl in the back seat.

It depends on what exactly happened. The video does not show the shooting or what led up to it. Apparently Philandro told the officer he had a gun and that he was going to retrieve his wallet. The girlfriend claims that the officer told Philandro to get the wallet, the cop says he told him not to reach for anything. At this point we have no way of knowing which is true. In any case it is a tragic mistake on one of their parts. Even if the cop is responsible, I see no criminal intent. Voluntary manslaughter then, if the girlfriend's version turns out to be true.

P.S.: Is this a right-hand drive car or is the video flipped for some reason? At first I thought the girlfriend was driving as she appears to be sitting in the left-hand seat, but no, the steering wheel is in front of Philandro.
P.P.S.: When I first watched the video last night (not knowing any details) I thought at first it was a staged performance. The girlfriend appeared very calm, collected and even rehearsed.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

The video is flipped.

 

[Derec]

So, how is this guy a thug? How was he 'not following orders'? How was he "resisting"? How was he being disrespectful? Come on people, where's all the cop justification?

Nobody is claiming he was a thug, that he was being disrespectful or that he was resisting. As to following orders, it is unclear and disputed what the cop said before Philandro reached for his wallet. What is the usual procedure when police stop somebody who is armed and informs them of it? Do they normally tell him to get his wallet anyway?
In any case, it is a tragic mistake. If it is a mistake by the cop, he should face consequences for it, but it does not make him a murderer.

You are fighting men made out of straw yet again.

 

[Malintent]

I think that has been apparent for a long time

Reynolds, who was in the front passenger seat, says in the video that they were pulled over for a broken tail light. She says police asked Castile, who was driving, for his license and registration.

She says as Castile was reaching for his wallet, he informed officers that he had a firearm in his possession, and a conceal-and-carry permit.

Reynolds says in the video that an officer then shot her boyfriend four times.

The officer in the video at one point screams, “I told him not to reach for it! I told him to get his hand out …”

Reynolds tells the officer, “You told him to get his I.D., sir, his driver’s license.”

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/06/police-officer-involved-shooting-in-falcon-heights/

It sounds like this man did everything exactly right - exactly like a white man with a concealed carry permit would do it - and yet he is still dead... killed by police. Shot point blank right in front of the little girl in the back seat.

It sounds like the officer made a terrible mistake, and he will certainly have to face the consequences of that. Why does this sound like it was a mistake that could not have been made by the officer if the subject was white?

that just sounds racist to assume.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

What is the usual procedure when police stop somebody who is armed and informs them of it?

"Thank you sir. Where are you carrying your gun?"

I've had cops tap their Maglite on my sidearm and politely say, "What do you have there?"

 

[arkirk]

So, how is this guy a thug? How was he 'not following orders'? How was he "resisting"? How was he being disrespectful? Come on people, where's all the cop justification?

Nobody is claiming he was a thug, that he was being disrespectful or that he was resisting. As to following orders, it is unclear and disputed what the cop said before Philandro reached for his wallet. What is the usual procedure when police stop somebody who is armed and informs them of it? Do they normally tell him to get his wallet anyway?
In any case, it is a tragic mistake. If it is a mistake by the cop, he should face consequences for it, but it does not make him a murderer.

You are fighting men made out of straw yet again.

Still making excuses for these murdering cops, eh Derec?

 

[RavenSky]

Nobody is claiming he was a thug,

yet. We will give you some time to dig up whatever you think is dirt on him... or at least to start disrespecting his family and/or their choice of photos to release to the media

that he was being disrespectful or that he was resisting.

You are already insinuating

As to following orders, it is unclear and disputed what the cop said before Philandro reached for his wallet.

SOP is for the cop to ask for driver's license and registration. Are you really trying to claim the cop did NOT ask for those items?

What is the usual procedure when police stop somebody who is armed and informs them of it? Do they normally tell him to get his wallet anyway?

Yes. Different police officers may handle it slightly differently, but in every case I've read about people with concealed carry permits who were NOT immediately shot to death by police officers after properly informing the cop of the presence of a weapon, the driver still produces their driver's license and concealed carry permit to give to the police officer.

In any case, it is a tragic mistake. If it is a mistake by the cop, he should face consequences for it, but it does not make him a murderer.

It makes the cop a killer, and I do not consider it a "tragic mistake". FUBAR to be sure, but not a "mistake"