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Don't Panic
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I agree that there are certainly a higher percentage of Muslims than Christians that currently think in such terms. In terms with dealing with it, I would have less issue with not desiring Muslim refugees if the US wasn't part of the violence equation in much of the ME. Just getting the US out of the ME domination games, would do much to reduce Muslim animosity towards our nation over time. Though it will take a decade or two for this to bear fruit, after a century of western interference. Another irony is that the US primarily coddles Sunni regimes and is hostile to Shiite regimes, even though most of the terrorist attacks have come from the Sunni sect in recent decades. And the Saudi's are the biggest financier of the right wing of Islam. Funny how they are just about our best buddy over there...In general, Muslims in America aren't bombing America (WTC bombing is a major exception). In fact, American Muslims are actually quite peaceful. Killings perpetuated by whites greatly exceeds those by Muslims. Odd that 14 dead in San Bernadino leads to calls to close the borders to Muslim migration, yet more than that in elementary school children dead led to almost no calls for any action.
Then we need to approach this from an angle of real world perspective. There isn't this Muslim bloc. Islam suffers from fractures larger and more significant than Protestantism. Adherence to central authority isn't too common. So, recognizing that Muslims are individuals and not a block of people, it'd seem wise to allow Muslims to enter the US, to moderate into our culture, just as other Muslims have already done. Moderate Muslims are clearly not a threat, radicalized ones are.
The alternative is to isolate them in bastions of hate and suffering, stucked for years in refugee camps, in poverty, which can only lead to the growth of extremism.
But please, don't let pragmatism get in the way of the "At all costs" mentality and pretending that in the Internet Age we can close the border to hate and extremism.
OOps. The third word in what you quoted was supposed to be "not". I must have deleted it in editing. I do "not" think any particular policy is neccessitated by the fact that most Muslims living in Islam dominated countries endorse an inherently violent, intolerant, theocratic worldview. I merely think that any policy should be honest about this fact.
That said, what you replied about Muslims already in the US is largely irrelevant, since my OP was about Muslims living in and socialized within the context of the Islamic world. US Muslims are relevant only because they support my point about Muslims who don't hold such intolerant, theocratic views being generally less Muslim in their actual beliefs and commitments to Islam (as other research shows is true of US Muslims compared to Muslims in Islamic countries, just like US Jews are compared to those in Israel).
And if we wanted to reduce the violence in this country, we could probably reduce murders by 6k-7k a year if we had gun laws like much of western Europe; yeah it would take a decade or so to bleed off the number of guns, and probably with a little more difficulty than Australia. Never mind how much harder it would make it for crazies like in Sandy or San Bernadino to commit mass mayhem.


