The White Guy Problem

[Bronzeage]

Basically, the Pat Buchanan and internet/4chan (now 8chan) theory of SJWs is that they are trained mostly in college and now high school by the line of cultural Marxism descending from the Frankfurt School.

8chan's /pol/ is a fascinating place that a short time there will explain this.

The Suffragettes and Union Marchers would have worn the label with pride. Keep your hand upon the dollar, and your eye upon the scale.

 

[Derec]

The part where a white person is given the "benefit of the doubt" and considered the standard by which the rest of us are measured.
To function in America properly, one's racial and cultural heritage must be relegated to a state of "happen to be."
You just "happen to be" black/Hispanic/Creole/etc, but act in accordance to what white culture finds acceptable in attire, mannerism, speech and body language. For some of us, this requires wearing a mask during much of our lives.

A better question is why do blacks feel they have to have separate attire, mannerism, speech and body language from the mainstream society in order to "keep it real"? Appropriate attire etc. should be determined by context and setting rather than race or ethnicity. A black doctor should just "happen to be" black as does a German or Italian or Chinese one. There is place for engaging in your culture whatever it is but it's not "wearing a mask" to not have it front and center in areas of life where it really doesn't belong.

I do, however, agree with this sentiment.

Thank you.

 

[Bronzeage]

Basically, the Pat Buchanan and internet/4chan (now 8chan) theory of SJWs is that they are trained mostly in college and now high school by the line of cultural Marxism descending from the Frankfurt School.

They may be overcooking things a bit, but that doesn't mean the criticism is not valid. Your mentioning of high schools reminded me of this.
Teacher at ‘White Privilege Conference': Whites Are Never Cured of Racism

If it's a Breitbart report, you know it can be trusted.

 

[Derec]

If it's a Breitbart report, you know it can be trusted.

They certainly put their spin on it (kind of like people posting stuff from DailyKos or TYT), but I have not seen any claim that what they report here didn't happen.

 

[Toni]

A better question is why do blacks feel they have to have separate attire, mannerism, speech and body language from the mainstream society in order to "keep it real"? Appropriate attire etc. should be determined by context and setting rather than race or ethnicity. A black doctor should just "happen to be" black as does a German or Italian or Chinese one. There is place for engaging in your culture whatever it is but it's not "wearing a mask" to not have it front and center in areas of life where it really doesn't belong.

Are you kidding me? White people, especially straight white people get to engage in 'their culture' front and center 24/7 because it is always appropriate.

Why isn't it appropriate for people of all races and colors and cultural heritages to proudly embrace their heritage? Why must they wear a mask/hide how they are just to make sure that some silly insecure white coward won't get all scared and piss his pants because music is 'too loud' or whatever?

 

[Bronzeage]

If it's a Breitbart report, you know it can be trusted.

They certainly put their spin on it (kind of like people posting stuff from DailyKos or TYT), but I have not seen any claim that what they report here didn't happen.

If you wanted to prove that whites are never cured of racism, who would you present as an example?

 

[dismal]

They certainly put their spin on it (kind of like people posting stuff from DailyKos or TYT), but I have not seen any claim that what they report here didn't happen.

If you wanted to prove that whites are never cured of racism, who would you present as an example?

Any white person would do, eh?

 

[Derec]

Are you kidding me? White people, especially straight white people get to engage in 'their culture' front and center 24/7 because it is always appropriate.

BS.

Why isn't it appropriate for people of all races and colors and cultural heritages to proudly embrace their heritage?

You brought up things like attire, speech, body language, etc. As I said, what is appropriate is determined by setting, not race or ancestry.

Why must they wear a mask/hide how they are just to make sure that some silly insecure white coward won't get all scared and piss his pants because music is 'too loud' or whatever?

A black person shouldn't be blasting their music too loud any more than a white person (say of German ancestry) should play their music too loud.
Or is "playing music too loud" somehow a black cultural trait that the rest of us must endure even if it offends our ear drums but that we should not do ourselves?

 

[Bronzeage]

If you wanted to prove that whites are never cured of racism, who would you present as an example?

Any white person would do, eh?

You would have to be at the front of the line. There's certainly nothing anyone could present as evidence to the contrary. I'm sure anyone on this forum would happily testify on your behalf.

 

[dismal]

Any white person would do, eh?

You would have to be at the front of the line. There's certainly nothing anyone could present as evidence to the contrary. I'm sure anyone on this forum would happily testify on your behalf.

Me?

It could be any white person. The nature if the proof if you present me with a white person, I declare them a racist.

The pope, Kim kardashian, Obama's mother. Racist, racist, racist. White people are never cured of racism so any white person you present must be racist. QED.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

How is it classist? And it's biased against men, not women.

because the laws were made to protect fathers' wealth from opportunistic sons-in-law. It has been proven time and time again across history women, overall, do worse in divorce. And a handful of women who makeout like bandits because they can afford the lawyers necessary to do so, does not wipe out deadbeat dads, ridiculously low child support orders, or the disparities between genders earning power that translate into disparities in legal representation. I know you want to think that women all powerful and have one goal, to hurt men, but again you are wrong, a state you should be used to by now.

Not to mention, much like marriage itself, it is also antiquated.

Why then do feminists like Wendy Murphy defend lifelong alimony laws that make men into serfs of their ex-wives?

Ask her, or better yet, read her. I am sure she gives her own reasons. And I am sure you don't want to hear them, therefore you won't.

Alimony is not an invention of women, but fathers not willing to take care of their daughters or lose the value of a dowry after a divorce, not to mention a discouragement to ending the marriage at all.

Even if it were true, we no longer have dowries and the most ardent supporters of alimony today are feminists. \

And?

Besides playing victim, yeah I'm talking to you, what are YOU doing to change things?

And in the modern day, with no-fault divorce, it is not the power play it used to be.

There was a chance to make no-fault divorce into a truly gender-equal system. Unfortunately it has become a system where a woman can get her ex-husband's money even if she was cheating on him.

You do know what no fault means, right? And you do understand how marriage works, right? And that the marriage laws were and are passed by a majority of men?

As for the privilege of divorce, I doubt if you will find many poor and working class women who will agree with you, and they make up the majority of the population.

2/3 of all divorces are initiated by women.

And?

Women can still get the house, at least half the assets (although I have read of cases where judges awarded the ex-wife 75% of assets) and in many cases alimony, in some states for life.

Is that what happens in most divorces? Is that what happens in most no-fault divorces? Fault divorces?

Divorce laws basically give women the ability to say "I do not like the guy but I like his money, so I'll get rid of him and keep his money". And even if the man is smart enough to get a prenup a judge can capriciously set it aside.

Again, and?

Interesting privilege, divorce

Yes it is. It sure beats being a serf of your ex-wife, having to pay her tribute each month so she doesn't have to get a job, ever.

Because men never come out on top in a divorce? Gimme the numbers.

You only get to use it if your marriage fails, your home is broken, and your children are split between households.

In 2/3 of cases it is the woman who decides to break up the marriage and thus decides that a marriage has "failed". No wonder since they profit from divorce.

And what does that mean? First, I don't trust that number, and even if it is correct, you still have to ask WHY? What the fuck are men doing to these women?

Now that is a privilege women must be standing in line to take advantage of.

You are speaking truth despite yourself. Divorce is very common and 2/3 are initiated by women.

Back it up or shut it up. And when i say back it up, I mean thoroughly. A completely documented proof of WHY women are initiating divorce

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Basically, the Pat Buchanan and internet/4chan (now 8chan) theory of SJWs is that they are trained mostly in college and now high school by the line of cultural Marxism descending from the Frankfurt School.

They may be overcooking things a bit, but that doesn't mean the criticism is not valid. Your mentioning of high schools reminded me of this.
Teacher at ‘White Privilege Conference': Whites Are Never Cured of Racism

American Renaissance???

REALLY????

 

[Nice Squirrel]

And they chose the name of my favorite American Lit period.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

And that the marriage laws were and are passed by a majority of men?

You seem to be trotting this out a lot, as if it is an argument justifying unfair treatment to people who belong to a grouping that the people who made the law also belonged to. You've used the same tactic in regard to race.

If a law results in unbalanced and unfair treatment, does it really matter who wrote it? Why? If female legislators put anti-abortion laws in place, would that change your view on if they should be repealed? Would it make it any less controlling of other women's bodies?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

And that the marriage laws were and are passed by a majority of men?

You seem to be trotting this out a lot, as if it is an argument justifying unfair treatment

First, we have yet to prove exactly what unfair treatment is going on. Second, if men make the laws that men don't like, the problem isn't women. That is the point being made.

to people who belong to a grouping that the people who made the law also belonged to. You've used the same tactic in regard to race.

It is not a tactic, but a statement of fact. Here's a tactic, and the only one that will work. If you simply have to blame or beat up SOMEONE because of unfairness or injustice, attack the people who set up the unfairness and the injustice.

If a law results in unbalanced and unfair treatment,

Change the law.

does it really matter who wrote it? Why? If female legislators put anti-abortion laws in place, would that change your view on if they should be repealed? Would it make it any less controlling of other women's bodies?

Quit yer bitchin' and get to pitchin'

You think things are bad, CHANGE THEM

You will never change the game or the bad ump calls, sitting in your Lazy Boy a thousand miles from the game kibbitzing.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

First, we have yet to prove exactly what unfair treatment is going on.

And that is what we should be exploring.

Second, if men make the laws that men don't like, the problem isn't women.

Who said "the problem was women"? Perhaps I missed it. And if people use an unfair law to their benefit, is that not a problem? Does that change depending on if it is men or women?

Quit yer bitchin' and get to pitchin'

Why can't we discuss injustice on a political discussion forum?

Should we give the same response every time you complain about something? Shut up and change it? First, who is to say that whoever you are addressing isn't making an effort to change it. Second, why do you tell people to "Quit bitchin'"? Imagine if we gave that response to all complaints of racism or sexism against black people and women. Even Derec and Loren don't do that on here. It is another odd tactic you should probably re-examine.