Today's Google doodle oppresses men!

[untermensche]

The stronger apes have always oppressed the weaker apes.

You women stay put and NO, you are not allowed to fight with us!!

And guess what?

Because you ain't fightin, you don't get to vote either.

How you like those apples weaker apes?

 

[dismal]

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She said women are the primary victims of war. It's right there in the quote for you to read. She is placing them above all others (most notably the men who actually are dead) in their victimness. This is what the word "primary" fucking means.

Yes, she said the word "primary" which has no clear and objective meaning without context. It does not mean that the type of harm done to women is qualitatively greater than the type of harm done to soldiers. First, soldiers are not even included in what she is referring to and are typically NOT included as "victims" but rather are referred to as casualties. This makes perfect sense, because the soldier are the ones' actively engaged in causing the outcomes of war and active participants are not typically referred to as "victims", even when they are harmed in unfortunate ways that everyone agree is a bad thing. In addition to casualties being irrelevant, "primary" could and likely does in this context merely refer to the relative number of women and men who comprise the non-combatants that experience severe hardships resulting from war, and not a qualitative comparison about the severity of each individuals hardships. IOW, it means the same thing as "Rush fans are primarily men", which in no way suggests that the women that are Rush fans are qualitatively less fans than the men.

Not only is it common and reasonable not to include military personnel among "victims of war" (which is disctinct from "casualties"), but her explication, which is also "right there in the quote for you to read" is clearly not referring to deaths in general (military or otherwise), since plenty of women die due to war and yet her explication makes no reference to those women who die, only to those that live to suffer the results of war. If your dead, your not suffering. She used "victim" as a shorthand for non-combatants who suffer the results of wars. In that notion of what she meant and explained she meant by "victims of war", she is correct that women are the primary "victims".

Only severe ignorance or dishonesty would lead to any other interpretation.

That sure is a lot of bullshit and fine parsing to defend something she just said stupidly off the cuff to pander.

 

[Derec]

Yet she said it. Then again, she said she was under sniper fire in Bosnia and that she was dead broke in 2000, so you can't really go by what she says.

Time to provide references sir.

Sniper fire in Tuzla:


Being "dead broke":

 

[untermensche]

So let me get this straight.

If Hillary Clinton ever lied, women have not been oppressed?

Is that the logic here?

 

[Derec]

So let me get this straight.

If Hillary Clinton ever lied, women have not been oppressed?

Is that the logic here?

No, I never said anything remotely like that.
I was responding to fromderinside's request for citations of the two claims.

And we got onto the subject of Hillary because bigfield said, early in the thread, something about men being thrown into the meat grinder of war being justification for only men having the vote.
To which I responded that feminists like Hillary do not even believe men who die or are maimed in those meat grinders are the "primary victims of war anyway".

 

[Nice Squirrel]

To which I responded that feminists like Hillary do not even believe men who die or are maimed in those meat grinders are the "primary victims of war anyway".

That's a pretty dumb response then. One statement and "all feminist believe like Hillary"? Not only is this a Fallacy of Composition, you are assuming Hillary actually believes it as you believe it and has always believed it (since 1998).

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Bing-the search engine choice of masculinists, since January 2015.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

May 26, 2016
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New Google Doodle oppresses all white people by celebrating Frankie Manning, the radical choreographer of Malcom X

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

ETA: OMG! Zombie Thread!!!

Less than half. People of color and Native Americans were also disenfranchised.

White men without property didn't have as much power either.

At least women did it the right way. Instead of forcing courts to let them vote, they went the grassroots way that took roughly 100 years to get the vote. Now that is progress!

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Can we please stop with the "people of color" rhetoric?

White people are more "of color" than non-white people, the way they go red when angry and blue when cold, etc.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Time to provide references sir.

Sniper fire in Tuzla:


Being "dead broke":

This belongs in the Hillary clinton is dishonest? thread.

 

[Godless Raven]

To be fair, women also fought and died in war, even when it meant impersonating men to do so, and not merely as collateral damage.

Right...and there was that one Albino Midget, Whitey McFuzznuts that fought in WW1, thus the albinos and midgets, well represented during war. Unfortunately, merely as collateral damage.

 

[Godless Raven]

Well, if women wanted to be less the primary victims they have the option to jump off a bridge or run out into traffic and just be a dead or maimed non-primary victim like the men.

This is idiotic even for you.

Women have always been combatants in war. Women have always died directly in wars, and as a result of starvation and disease as a result of war. In great nimbers. Women have been treated as spoils of war. Women have taken on work traditionally done by men, while continuing to maintain home and family without the aid of men and then been expected to give up the higher waged jobs in favor of their returning men.

Everything I underlined sounds about right to me. Especially the spoils of war part which has been going on as long as we've been on the planet and is still going on at an alarming rate. I can't even imagine how horrific that would be, and yeah, I'd rather be blown up by a landmine than the horror that would bring.

As far as Google Doodle goes...I like the shit they do on there and the various inclusive celebrations they "celebrate". I've yet to see one that seems offensive in any way, so...that leads me to wonder...does anybody actively posting on this thread feel that Google Doodle is oppressing men? Because if there are none...this is a completely fabricated argument that's really nothing more than an attempt to beat up on a bunch of to satisfy a favorite

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Can we please stop with the "people of color" rhetoric?

White people are more "of color" than non-white people, the way they go red when angry and blue when cold, etc.

White = every color.

Black = no color.

How can blacks be people of color?!?!