Too many white people at UVA Multicultural Student Center

[Half-Life]

'Too many white people' does not equate to the idea there should be no white people.

So if a white person said, "there's too many black people here," you would agree that this does not equate to the idea that there should be no black people?

Well, if YOU said it, and since you have stated a desire to form and live in a white ethnostate, why would i NOT think you meant that?
Any logical argument will do.
Take your time.

Keith, all I said was that logically, if Africa can be a continent of majority black ethnostate, and th Middle East can be a predominantly Muslim ethnostate and Israel can be a predominantly Jewish ethnostate and Asian countries are predominantly Asian ethnostates, then there's no reason to decry a white ethnostate, unless you're a self-hating white.

 

[Toni]

Not sure why Metaphor doesn't bring articles about racism in Australia here on this forum? ​

Not sure why Toni needs to publically speculate on the posting choices of a person who has never told her what she should be posting as a new thread?

I just thought you might not have seen any of the articles pertaining to the same issues in Australia. I also thought that you perhaps would be interested in discussing the issue instead of using as a proxy to bash the US. We already have Trump.

 

[Metaphor]

I just thought you might not have seen any of the articles pertaining to the same issues in Australia. I also thought that you perhaps would be interested in discussing the issue instead of using as a proxy to bash the US. We already have Trump.

Perhaps you missed my posts about a vaguely similar incident, where white students were kicked out of an "indigenous" computer lab on an Australian campus, and then the person who kicked them out sued them for racial discrimination. She lost (mercifully) but the young men, who racked up hundreds of thousands in legal fees defending themselves will never be reimbursed. (The typical response to this in my left wing circles was 'cry me a river, white boy').

I'd be interested to know what you think "the issue" is? My issue is the mainstream acceptance of race-based contempt for white people in Western societies (including Australia, Britain, and the US). This incident is merely a public example of one, but I've seen much more personally.

I used to adore watching Eurovision - the annual song contest between nations in Europe....and Israel and Australia. I was very, very into it. It appealed to my camp sensibilities enough that I hosted parties at 5 a.m. (Australian time) or subjected myself to a complete media blackout until the delayed 'prime time' airing. A few years ago, the 'theme' for Eurovision was 'strength in diversity', or something meaningless like that. In a Eurovision chat room I was participating in, somebody criticized the on stage act for being white. When I asked what she meant, the person responded "diversity means fewer white people".

This is the kind of brainless drivel that is now mainstream. I'd be included in the group "white people", even though my background, my culture, and my very name are very far removed from the predominant Anglo-Celtic white culture in Australia. I've asked questions that are shut down based solely on my perceived whiteness and my gender.

There were not "too many white people" in the UVA MSC. There needs to be pushback against the fragile Woke: your feelings are not worth more than mine.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

Whether her threshold of comfort is 'fewer' white people or no white people is not the point. Her naked race-based contempt is the point.

You inserted the 'naked race-based contempt' yourself. in your perpetual campaign for victimhood status. Look

The space was created to do that. This woman's words and actions don't.

She asked them to consider who the space was for.

The purpose of the space is to be inclusive. That's why if I go to the space, I would want to feel included.

The purpose of the space is TO SUPPORT UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS and cultivate a diverse and inclusive UNIVERSITY COMMUNITY. People who aren't facing barriers to inclusion don't have as much need of the space (unless they want to jerk themselves off to needing to be equal priority in a space set up to address issues they largely don't have).

She spoke as if hers was the only opinion that mattered. Did she consult with the other people in the room about whether they too felt there were too many white people?

No, she didn't. She stated what the space was for, why it mattered, and indicated people should consider what the space was for. It was incredibly mild.

Why the fuck wouldn't you go there?

Because it's set up to address issues I don't have.

Why ought you be unwelcome based on your ethnicity?

Because I understand sometimes people want a space where they aren't mired in the majority/ minority dynamic the experience most of the time in public life.

Wouldn't you be paying fees just like everyone else at the university?

So? There are plenty of facilities I didn't use at school. I didn't use the basketball courts because I don't like basketball. I didn't use the support services for foreign students because I wasn't a foreign student.

No white people are barred from using the MSC. Even the woman in this video didn't do or try to do that. But that doesn't mean the space and its services addresses issues which face all students equally.

That's great for you. You can remove yourself.

You asked. You would also have the right to not remove yourself. You would also have the right to continue crying about this all you wanted in the process.

Understanding her desire to not be around white people is not an excuse for her to want to scold white people out of a space that is intended for all people.

Scold? Did you even watch the video? I don't get how you survive being that sensitive.

 

[laughing dog]

It is pretty clear you have no clue what being oppressed means.

Neither does she. Or you, for that matter.

Well, if YOU said it, and since you have stated a desire to form and live in a white ethnostate, why would i NOT think you meant that?
Any logical argument will do.
Take your time.

Keith, all I said was that logically, if Africa can be a continent of majority black ethnostate, and th Middle East can be a predominantly Muslim ethnostate and Israel can be a predominantly Jewish ethnostate and Asian countries are predominantly Asian ethnostates, then there's no reason to decry a white ethnostate, unless you're a self-hating white.

Both Europe and North America are ss much white ethnostates as Asia is an Asian ethnostate.

 

[Metaphor]

You inserted the 'naked race-based contempt' yourself. in your perpetual campaign for victimhood status. Look

She voiced race-based contempt.

She asked them to consider who the space was for.

It was for everyone.

The purpose of the space is TO SUPPORT UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS and promote a UNIVERSITY CULTURE of diversity and inclusion. People who aren't facing barriers to inclusion

So...white students don't face barriers to inclusion? You can think of no white people who are "underrepresented"? Note I don't mean white people qua white people. She did not call for non-minority white people to leave (however it is she's decided what 'minorities' count.)

No, she didn't. She stated what the space was for, why it mattered, and indicated people should consider what the space was for. It was incredibly mild.

Being told to leave a space because my whiteness offends somebody is not incredibly mild. It's downright uncivil at best.

Because I understand sometimes people want a space where they aren't mired in the majority/ minority dynamic the experience most of the time in public life.

"Mired"?

I'm happy for you to remove yourself from spaces that are ostensibly designed for everybody.

So? There are plenty of facilities I didn't use at school. I didn't use the basketball courts because I don't like basketball. I didn't use the support services for foreign students because I wasn't a foreign student. No white people are barred from using the MSC. Even the woman in this video didn't do or try to do that.

She didn't have the formal authority to bar white people, obviously. She merely wanted them to be shamed enough to remove themselves.

You asked. You would also have the right to not remove yourself. You would also have the right to continue crying about this all you wanted in the process.

Crying? Non. I'm not losing sleep over this woman's naked contempt for white people. I don't lose sleep over what bigots think of me.

Scold? Did you even watch the video? I don't get how you survive being that sensitive.

I surely did watch the video, and I saw and heard a scold telling white people they made her uncomfortable.

 

[Toni]

I just thought you might not have seen any of the articles pertaining to the same issues in Australia. I also thought that you perhaps would be interested in discussing the issue instead of using as a proxy to bash the US. We already have Trump.

Perhaps you missed my posts about a vaguely similar incident, where white students were kicked out of an "indigenous" computer lab on an Australian campus, and then the person who kicked them out sued them for racial discrimination. She lost (mercifully) but the young men, who racked up hundreds of thousands in legal fees defending themselves will never be reimbursed. (The typical response to this in my left wing circles was 'cry me a river, white boy').

I'd be interested to know what you think "the issue" is? My issue is the mainstream acceptance of race-based contempt for white people in Western societies (including Australia, Britain, and the US). This incident is merely a public example of one, but I've seen much more personally.

I used to adore watching Eurovision - the annual song contest between nations in Europe....and Israel and Australia. I was very, very into it. It appealed to my camp sensibilities enough that I hosted parties at 5 a.m. (Australian time) or subjected myself to a complete media blackout until the delayed 'prime time' airing. A few years ago, the 'theme' for Eurovision was 'strength in diversity', or something meaningless like that. In a Eurovision chat room I was participating in, somebody criticized the on stage act for being white. When I asked what she meant, the person responded "diversity means fewer white people".

This is the kind of brainless drivel that is now mainstream. I'd be included in the group "white people", even though my background, my culture, and my very name are very far removed from the predominant Anglo-Celtic white culture in Australia. I've asked questions that are shut down based solely on my perceived whiteness and my gender.

There were not "too many white people" in the UVA MSC. There needs to be pushback against the fragile Woke: your feelings are not worth more than mine.

I not only didn't miss your posts on a 'similar' issue in Australia but I believe I also posted in that thread.

I guess I haven't noticed any race based contempt for white people in my own particular country, much less any 'mainstream acceptance' of such.

I'm not sure how you make it through the day if your feelings get all bent out of shape over a comment in a chat room over whatever Eurovision is.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

So...white students don't face barriers to inclusion? You can think of no white people who are "underrepresented"? Note I don't mean white people qua white people. She did not call for non-minority white people to leave (however it is she's decided what 'minorities' count.)

In a number of cases, other spaces exist such as an LGBTQ+ space. Certainly, there may be white foreign students, as an example, with similar issues pertaining to what the multicultural student center addresses. But as established, she didn't say there should be no white people there.

Being told to leave a space because my whiteness offends somebody is not incredibly mild. It's downright uncivil at best.

That isn't what happened.

"Mired"?

Yes.

I'm happy for you to remove yourself from spaces that are ostensibly designed for everybody.

Stop lying about this. The space has a particular function which you repeatedly ignore.

She merely wanted them to be shamed enough to remove themselves.

She wanted people to respect what the space was for. Her version is almost certainly closer to the mark than yours.

Crying? Non. I'm not losing sleep over this woman's naked contempt for white people. I don't lose sleep over what bigots think of me.

Yes, crying. This entire thread is seeking victimhood out of a very minor event. You add nonsense into it like 'race-based contempt', fictional implications that white people don't have culture, and how she was shaming everyone. She voiced her concern succinctly, in fairly even tone without pejoratives or raising her voice and without issuing commands or orders.

 

[Metaphor]

I'm not sure how you make it through the day if your feelings get all bent out of shape over a comment in a chat room over whatever Eurovision is.

Americans have no culture.

 

[Metaphor]

But as established, she didn't say there should be no white people there.

I never fucking claimed she did.

That isn't what happened.

That's exactly what happened.

Stop lying about this. The space has a particular function which you repeatedly ignore.

The space is for everybody. Stop lying about this.

She wanted people to respect what the space was for. Her version is almost certainly closer to the mark than yours.

Her "version" is in conflict with what the UVA says the space is for and for what normal, functioning human beings ought to want.

Yes, crying. This entire thread is seeking victimhood out of a very minor event. You add nonsense into it like 'race-based contempt', fictional implications that white people don't have culture, and how she was shaming everyone. She voiced her concern succinctly, in fairly even tone without pejoratives or raising her voice and without issuing commands or orders.

It was contempt and it was race-based.

I didn't imply that I thought white people don't have culture. I was mocking this woman kicking white people out of a 'multicultural' space.

She didn't issue commands or orders because she doesn't have the authority to do so. She's just another progressive who thinks progressiveness means fewer white people.

What this individual, fragile bigot thinks of me doesn't worry me. I don't have friends in my personal circle who express discomfort at my whiteness.

What I do worry about is the consequences when attitudes like hers are mainstream.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

I never fucking claimed she did.

I never said you did. But only a small portion of the white student population would fit within that category.

The space is for everybody. Stop lying about this.

I never said it wasn't, but that doesn't mean the purpose of the space is to address issues everyone faces equally. We're going in fucking circles.

The space has a purpose and it is not what you say it is. And it is not necessarily served if the space becomes used predominately by those not in underrepresented populations. Then it largely just becomes a space indistinguishable from nearly all the other spaces on campus.

It was contempt and it was race-based.

And you're crying. Because we all just get to characterize shit however we want, yes?

I didn't imply that I thought white people don't have culture.

No shit. You added a fictional implication to what she was saying. Even as a joke it makes no sense.

She didn't issue commands or orders because she doesn't have the authority to do so.

What the hell do you back that up wth? Is that how we get to play? In that case, you're just protesting because you're a racist who hates when black people defy you in any way. Isn't this a super fun game to play?

She's just another progressive who thinks progressiveness means fewer white people.

Baseless.

Your assessments of this woman require either further interaction with her or psychic abilities to confirm. You may have hunches, but what we have is her actions. And her actions, absent your added narrative, were very mild. In the end, a large chunk of what you are objecting to ends up being your own suspicious rather than anything she actually said or did. I absolutely do not respect that.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Who decides what a "culture" is and which are more or less represented?

I do agree that this woman is rather disgusting for saying there were too many white people there. And I do expect that had she said too many black people she would be facing some sort of censure from the university itself.

 

[Metaphor]

I never said you did.

You keep repeating it as if it were a claim I made.

But only a small portion of the white student population would fit within that category.

How do you know?

I never said it wasn't, but that doesn't mean the purpose of the space is to address issues everyone faces equally. We're going in fucking circles.

I'll say. Let's get one thing straight: do you think this woman was right to do watch she did?

The space has a purpose and it is not what you say it is. And it is not necessarily served if the space becomes used predominately by those not in underrepresented populations. Then it largely just becomes a space indistinguishable from nearly all the other spaces on campus.

The purpose of the space is spelled out on the UVA website. It is also clarified in a statement here:
https://www.infowars.com/uva-says-m...-after-too-many-white-people-rant-goes-viral/

The woman in the video said it was a space for people of colour. I don't know how much more exclusionary she needs to be for you to say she is contradicting the spirit of the place.

And you're crying. Because we all just get to characterize shit however we want, yes?

Honey, I know when I'm crying. I cried when bullies beat me up for being a pregay wogboy. I cried when Artex drowned in The Neverending Story. I cried when I put my father and brother in the ground on the same day.

This woman's contempt for white people doesn't make me cry. But people defending her makes me despair.

No shit. You added a fictional implication to what she was saying. Even as a joke it makes no sense.

It's not a fictional implication. It is a logical consequence of her thinking that 'multicultural' is antithetical to 'inclusion of whites'.

What the hell do you back that up wth? Is that how we get to play? In that case, you're just protesting because you're a racist who hates when black people defy you in any way. Isn't this a super fun game to play?

The fuck? THE FUCK? Are you telling me she did have the authority to turf people out? Show me receipts.

In the end, a large chunk of what you are objecting to ends up being your own suspicious rather than anything she actually said or did. I absolutely do not respect that.

Non. I object to her actual actions. The woman's actions were arrogant (thinking that either her feelings were the same as the majority and she spoke for everyone in that space, or indeed she didn't even care if her feelings were shared by the majority) and her demands were bigoted. I don't need psychic insight into her state of mind to object to that.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Well, if YOU said it, and since you have stated a desire to form and live in a white ethnostate, why would i NOT think you meant that?
Any logical argument will do.
Take your time.

Keith, all I said was that logically, if Africa can be a continent of majority black ethnostate, and th Middle East can be a predominantly Muslim ethnostate and Israel can be a predominantly Jewish ethnostate and Asian countries are predominantly Asian ethnostates, then there's no reason to decry a white ethnostate, unless you're a self-hating white.

no. That's not 'all you said.'

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

You keep repeating it as if it were a claim I made.

Incorrect. I explained why I brought it up.

How do you know?

Because they would be only part of the group of underrepresented groups. A fraction of what is effectively a minority group.

I'll say. Let's get one thing straight: do you think this woman was right to do watch she did?

Sure. I wouldn't necessarily say her statements were exactly correct, but I think she acted reasonably given her concerns and that her concerns themselves were reasonable.

The space has a purpose and it is not what you say it is. And it is not necessarily served if the space becomes used predominately by those not in underrepresented populations. Then it largely just becomes a space indistinguishable from nearly all the other spaces on campus.

From the Multicultural Student Services UVA site, first paragraph:

Multicultural Student Services (MSS), as part of the Office of the Dean of Students, aims to promote inclusion and engagement for historically underrepresented students. We enhance the undergraduate experience through co-curricular programs and culturally relevant services that are meant to empower students in their identity, build community, and help a diverse group of students find their individual and collective voices.

https://multicultural.virginia.edu/

From the MSC UVA page, first paragraph:

We aim to facilitate a student-centered, collaborative space that supports underrepresented and marginalized communities, while cultivating the holistic empowerment of all students.

https://multicultural.virginia.edu/multicultural-student-center

The woman in the video said it was a space for people of colour. I don't know how much more exclusionary she needs to be for you to say she is contradicting the spirit of the place.

Most white Americans don't fit the bill of underrepresented with regard to being white and American. Of those who do at the university, a number have other dedicated spaces addressing the manner in which they are underrepresented. You cannot simply remove the 'underrepresented' and think you are still being faithful to the purpose of that space.

Honey, I know when I'm crying.

No, you created the rules fo this game. What you know is irrelevant. I get to assign what I want to you based on convenient personal interpretation. You get to do it to the woman in the video. I get to employ the same standard. You are crying. Just accept it already. I get to say what you feel and think, just like you get to keep saying what she feels and thinks. Let's keep an even standard here, at least.

It's not a fictional implication. It is a logical consequence of her thinking that 'multicultural' is antithetical to 'inclusion of whites'.

Except the statement was far more likely predicated on the stated purpose of that space for meeting the needs of underrepresented groups. In truth, your point is just equivocation.

The fuck? THE FUCK? Are you telling me she did have the authority to turf people out? Show me receipts.

I am telling you it is baseless to assert the reason she spoke as she did was because she lacked the authority to do other wise. Even if she had the sole power to kick them out, that does not mean she would have spoken differently

I don't need psychic insight into her state of mind to object to that.

You just need to repeatedly disregard the purpose of the space to make it about how a group you belong to are the real victims, even if it is based on attributing motive and thoughts to another individual which you can't actually confirm reasonably.

 

[Metaphor]

Incorrect. I explained why I brought it up.

I still don't know why you brought it up.

Because they would be only part of the group of underrepresented groups. A fraction of what is effectively a minority group.

You have no idea how many white people were in the space to begin with, nor what percentage of those white people were 'legitimately' there.

Sure. I wouldn't necessarily say her statements were exactly correct, but I think she acted reasonably given her concerns and that her concerns themselves were reasonable.

And I think she was unreasonable and her actions were the actions of a self-centered bigot.

Multicultural Student Services (MSS), as part of the Office of the Dean of Students, aims to promote inclusion and engagement for historically underrepresented students.

Does seeing white people work against inclusion and engagement?

We aim to facilitate a student-centered, collaborative space that supports underrepresented and marginalized communities, while cultivating the holistic empowerment of all students.

Here's a clue, for free: white people can support underrepresented and marginalized communities, and can even be in them.

Most white Americans don't fit the bill of underrepresented with regard to being white and American.

"White" is not a culture. "American" is a culture, and the student who railed against the white people is surely as American as the Americans she wanted to shame.

Of those who do at the university, a number have other dedicated spaces addressing the manner in which they are underrepresented. You cannot simply remove the 'underrepresented' and think you are still being faithful to the purpose of that space.

If you think existing while visibly white interferes with 'underrepresented minorities', you have a hide telling me I'm sensitive.

I get to assign what I want to you based on convenient personal interpretation. You get to do it to the woman in the video. I get to employ the same standard. You are crying. Just accept it already. I get to say what you feel and think, just like you get to keep saying what she feels and thinks. Let's keep an even standard here, at least.

I get to comment on what she actually said and did. But here's the difference between what you are doing and what I'm doing: I have a far, far better claim to know what I'm feeling than you do. But it's interesting to note that--if indeed this woman and her actions upset me--you think that's a good fact to tease me over.

Except the statement was far more likely predicated on the stated purpose of that space for meeting the needs of underrepresented groups. In truth, your point is just equivocation.

The university itself reiterated that the space was for everyone of any ethnicity.

If the sight of people existing while visibly white upsets these 'underrepresented' groups, and it was the intention of the space to assuage these feelings, then the university should make it clear that it's a non-white space, no matter what claims you may or may not have to being 'underrepresented'.

I am telling you it is baseless to assert the reasons she spoke as she did was because she lacked the authority to do other wise. Even if she had the sole power to kick them out, that does not mean she would have spoken differently

We don't know what she would have done had she had the formal authority to kick white people out. She quite evidently didn't want the white people that were there to stay, now did she?

You just need to repeatedly disregard the purpose of the space to make it about how a group you belong to are the real victims?

What is it with the Woke and its victim mindset? It's a worldview you can't rid yourself of. It colours your every perception. Everything is about power and victimhood. All victims are "real" victims. It's vulgar to shame people for their ethnicity.

In Australia there was a recent furore over a large hospitality group that had underpaid its total workforce millions of dollars over several years. It amounted to around $2,000 underpayment for each person involved. Nobody cried "what about the literal slaves that exist right now? Why are you worried about these underpaid hospitality workers when there are literal slaves still existing, who don't get any payment whatsoever?"

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

What is it with the Woke and its victim mindset?

You are the one playing the victim card here. You tell me?

 

[Metaphor]

What is it with the Woke and its victim mindset?

You are the one playing the victim card here. You tell me?

I did not claim to have been a victim in that scenario, since I wasn't there.

But if it becomes permissible and mainstream to shame white people for existing, and to exclude them from publically-funded places, and to mock them when they raise objections to being excluded, I most certainly will be a victim of that. And further, I will be in one of the most disadvantaged positions to fight back, not really being a part of the white Anglo-Celtic mainstream culture in Australia (but nevertheless being regarded as indistinguishable from this historical majority).

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

What is it with the Woke and its victim mindset?

You are the one playing the victim card here. You tell me?

I did not claim to have been a victim in that scenario, since I wasn't there.

But if it becomes permissible and mainstream to shame white people for existing,

Which just isn't what happened.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

From the Multicultural Student Services UVA site, first paragraph:

Multicultural Student Services (MSS), as part of the Office of the Dean of Students, aims to promote inclusion and engagement for historically underrepresented students. We enhance the undergraduate experience through co-curricular programs and culturally relevant services that are meant to empower students in their identity, build community, and help a diverse group of students find their individual and collective voices.

https://multicultural.virginia.edu/

From the MSC UVA page, first paragraph:

We aim to facilitate a student-centered, collaborative space that supports underrepresented and marginalized communities, while cultivating the holistic empowerment of all students.

In other words, the university is being racist. The place should be abolished.

Sounds like a bunch of white students should show up and hold a white-in.