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All you defenders of that infamous shirt, consider this: a woman shows up with a T-shirt showing scissors captioned with "What to do about men". You would not feel one bit bothered by the idea that she thinks that most men ought to be castrated?
 
Now having seen the shirt, and the fabio book cover, all I can do is laugh. Both are ridiculous, and I think it is ridiculous to get upset over either of them.

I do think wearing that shirt makes the guy hard to take seriously though and have to wonder why he would wear it while making the announcement that he was. It looks like sailor moon or something. Its like giving a serious somber ulogy while dressed as santa or a clown or wearing a spongebob squarepants shirt.
 
All you defenders of that infamous shirt, consider this: a woman shows up with a T-shirt showing scissors captioned with "What to do about men". You would not feel one bit bothered by the idea that she thinks that most men ought to be castrated?

Um... What?? Did I miss it somewhere on that shirt that a woman was being mutilated and that the artist suggests its something that should be done to most women?
 
Now having seen the shirt, and the fabio book cover, all I can do is laugh. Both are ridiculous, and I think it is ridiculous to get upset over either of them.

I do think wearing that shirt makes the guy hard to take seriously though and have to wonder why he would wear it while making the announcement that he was. It looks like sailor moon or something. Its like giving a serious somber ulogy while dressed as santa or a clown or wearing a spongebob squarepants shirt.

Except this was no such thing: it was a science occation. I sincerely believe that science should be like that: let the fact speek for themselves, do NOT dress it up!
 
All you defenders of that infamous shirt, consider this: a woman shows up with a T-shirt showing scissors captioned with "What to do about men". You would not feel one bit bothered by the idea that she thinks that most men ought to be castrated?

I would think a similar shirt regarding women would be inappropriate. Something like "FGM FTW" would clearly not be acceptable. I do not think that is anything like the guys shirt. Basically, I don't buy into the idea that having eroticized imagery is demeaning, or even less so, that it is equivalent to a message that sanctions violence on a person.

I mean, do you really think those two things are equivalent?
 
The incident might not be significant in itself...
Shifting goalposts?
...but it is if it leads to this kind of hypersensitive, zero tolerance, attitude spreads.
Passive aggressive.
And the fact that these policies are spread by an organization (ADA) founded for that express purpose makes such a spread more likely.
It is worse than the American Ebola outbreak!
I have no fucking clue what "Donglegate" is.
Two male attendees at a tech conference (on Python) told each other a joke about dongles. A female busybody attendee named Adria Richards overheard them and complained about the joke on Twitter which led to one of the male attendees being fired. As a consolation, Adria got fired herself as well though.
Interesting. What the fuck all does this have to do with anything? You bring up the woman's name like she is KSM. Talk about how this is a snowball event. We are all going to die or something.
 
Now having seen the shirt, and the fabio book cover, all I can do is laugh. Both are ridiculous, and I think it is ridiculous to get upset over either of them.

I do think wearing that shirt makes the guy hard to take seriously though and have to wonder why he would wear it while making the announcement that he was. It looks like sailor moon or something. Its like giving a serious somber ulogy while dressed as santa or a clown or wearing a spongebob squarepants shirt.

Except this was no such thing: it was a science occation. I sincerely believe that science should be like that: let the fact speek for themselves, do NOT dress it up!

Yeah, but your shouldn't let what you are wearing detract from the science. I think it was a thoughtless choice. Also sexist.
 
Except this was no such thing: it was a science occation. I sincerely believe that science should be like that: let the fact speek for themselves, do NOT dress it up!

Yeah, but your shouldn't let what you are wearing detract from the science. I think it was a thoughtless choice. Also sexist.

He did not distract from his message. Those that rather look at his shirt than listens to him does. That is not his fault.

Sexist? How? Are pictures of women always sexist?
 
All you defenders of that infamous shirt, consider this: a woman shows up with a T-shirt showing scissors captioned with "What to do about men". You would not feel one bit bothered by the idea that she thinks that most men ought to be castrated?

I would not give a crap. I would also think any man who was aggrieved enough to take to twitter and whine about it was a total loser.
 
I always got the feeling that Matt Taylor was a bit on the socially awkward side, like many highly intelligent, geeky guys. Perhaps even a bit of Asperger. If you watch the press conference about the comet landing, the first thing he does before even talking about the event is to apologize for the shirt, then he breaks down in a flood of tears! He was probably just trying to show a little fun and levity during an extremely stressful event, and make a statement that scientists are not just a bunch of stuffed shirts who don't know how to kick back a little. Kinda like the NASA Mohawk guy from the Mars lander mission control a couple of years ago. Despite what the feminists are alluding to, he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would grab ass or intimidate or threaten women on the job. I think his main "crime" here is having questionable fashion sense. Something not uncommon in science and engineering fields. Give the guy a fucking break.

One irony of the whole Shirtgate event is one the one hand, feminists seem to be worried that women won't go into STEM fields because of silly, superficial things like the clothing choices of men. This makes women out to be weak minded, hypersensitive and infantile. Honestly, if that kind of thing has the potential to influence your career choice, you probably don't have the mental fortitude to work there anyway. The work can be very high pressure, extremely stressful and you have to have the ability to stand up for yourself and your work and not be intimidated by nasty, cruel, demanding bosses.

On the other hand, feminist want to establish the notion that women are just as capable of doing anything a man can do. Fight fires, take down criminals, build skyscrapers, etc. Sounds like we should fully expect women to get engage and fight the Taliban along side the men, as long as the Taliban men don't wear uniforms with sexy women. Or they don't say things like, "Hey Beautiful...Top of the morning to ya!" (that's a nod to the street harrassment video).

In reading through the comments section of various articles on Shirtgate, I was relieved to see that lots of women, many who work in STEM fields, do not share the views of the radfems on the shirt, were not offended and even liked the shirt.
 
Do you have any idea which artist designed the graphics on the fabric of the shirt in question?

No. All I know is that it is a fabric sold by Alexander Henry Fabrics. The Bond Girls.
 
Yeah, but your shouldn't let what you are wearing detract from the science. I think it was a thoughtless choice. Also sexist.

He did not distract from his message. Those that rather look at his shirt than listens to him does. That is not his fault.

Sexist? How? Are pictures of women always sexist?

Well, sure it's his fault for not considering whether his shirt was appropriate to the occasion. Do I think he deserves to be pilloried over it? No. Even if the shirt was Mickey Mouse it wouldn't have been appropriate.

This particular shirt had overly sexual used, idealized to male fantasy airbrushed images of women. Which is a bit sexist. Not the same as wearing a shirt saying that a woman's place is in the kitchen or bedroom but also. It a shirt that suggested women have value aside from their ability to stimulate and satisfy a erection .
 
He did not distract from his message. Those that rather look at his shirt than listens to him does. That is not his fault.

Sexist? How? Are pictures of women always sexist?

Well, sure it's his fault for not considering whether his shirt was appropriate to the occasion. Do I think he deserves to be pilloried over it? No. Even if the shirt was Mickey Mouse it wouldn't have been appropriate.

This particular shirt had overly sexual used, idealized to male fantasy airbrushed images of women. Which is a bit sexist. Not the same as wearing a shirt saying that a woman's place is in the kitchen or bedroom but also. It a shirt that suggested women have value aside from their ability to stimulate and satisfy a erection .

What?
 
Uh: ''suggested that women have little value aside fromt heir ability..."

Sorry about the dropped word.

So a depiction must always show ALL aspects? Why?

No. As mentioned before, what a person wears in his or her own private life is just that: private.

But one must be aware of the image that one is conveying when one is working in a professional setting. For example, if I were to wear a t-shirt that read:

"A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" while at work, men working with me might feel that I did not value men. If I were to hang up a sexy fireman's calendar in my cubicle, assuming they are all covered up but wearing tight clothing that shows off very buff bodies, airbrushed where needed, overly sexualized, then the men I work with might worry if I took men seriously or if I only saw them as sex objects. If I wore a t shirt similar to the one the man was wearing, only showing similar images of men, I would not expect to be taken seriously as a scientist. In fact, if I did any of the things mentioned previously, I would expect to be reprimanded, told never to wear that t shirt to work, to get rid of the calendar and perhaps worse. I cannot imagine being allowed on camera wearing a similar garment. Yes, my employer is fairly conservative in terms of image. If I were working in a tattoo parlor or Spenser Gifts or something like that, it would be different. In such work places, employees frequently wear provocative clothing and in fact, that is often encouraged.

In the case of STEM fields, the fact is that the culture exists that often is discouraging, at best, to women and sometimes demeaning. Plenty of women report a lot of overtly sexist behavior. If you want to convey the message that all persons are welcome and respected, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religious background, then you don't wear clothing that might convey the opposite.
 
Toni said:
If I were to hang up a sexy fireman's calendar in my cubicle, assuming they are all covered up but wearing tight clothing that shows off very buff bodies, airbrushed where needed, overly sexualized, then the men I work with might worry if I took men seriously or if I only saw them as sex objects.

Do you really think so? Because I am pretty sure most men would see it as just a calendar of sexualized men, probably to perk you up on dreary days or something. Sure, not appropriate to a conservative workplace, but I dont think it is likely to make men question their self worth. Not by itself anyway.
 
Toni said:
If I were to hang up a sexy fireman's calendar in my cubicle, assuming they are all covered up but wearing tight clothing that shows off very buff bodies, airbrushed where needed, overly sexualized, then the men I work with might worry if I took men seriously or if I only saw them as sex objects.

Do you really think so? Because I am pretty sure most men would see it as just a calendar of sexualized men, probably to perk you up on dreary days or something. Sure, not appropriate to a conservative workplace, but I dont think it is likely to make men question their self worth. Not by itself anyway.

Yeah this seems to be a fundamental disconnect between the typical male and typical female. I don't know any male who would be in the least bit bothered by some female co-worker hanging up a sexy fireman calendar. Well, there are conservative individuals who are opposed to anything sexually suggestive, but I can't imagine a man feeling demeaned because a woman has eroticized imagery.
 
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