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lpetrich

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Trump considering kicking off 2024 run during Biden's inauguration: report | TheHill
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Trump’s Already Gaming Out a 2024 Run, Including an Event During Biden’s Inauguration
In the twilight of his presidency, Donald Trump is discussing different ways to disrupt the impending Joe Biden era, chief among them by announcing another run against him.

According to three people familiar with the conversations, the president, who refuses to acknowledge he lost the 2020 election as he clearly did, has not just talked to close advisers and confidants about a potential 2024 run to reclaim the White House but about the specifics of a campaign launch. The conversations have explored, among other things, how Trump could best time his announcement so as to keep the Republican Party behind him for the next four years. Two of these knowledgeable sources said the president has, in the past two weeks, even floated the idea of doing a 2024-related event during Biden’s inauguration week, possibly on Inauguration Day, if his legal effort to steal the 2020 election ultimately fails.
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lpetrich said:
Trump considering kicking off 2024 run during Biden's inauguration: report | TheHill
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Trump’s Already Gaming Out a 2024 Run, Including an Event During Biden’s Inauguration
In the twilight of his presidency, Donald Trump is discussing different ways to disrupt the impending Joe Biden era, chief among them by announcing another run against him.

According to three people familiar with the conversations, the president, who refuses to acknowledge he lost the 2020 election as he clearly did, has not just talked to close advisers and confidants about a potential 2024 run to reclaim the White House but about the specifics of a campaign launch. The conversations have explored, among other things, how Trump could best time his announcement so as to keep the Republican Party behind him for the next four years. Two of these knowledgeable sources said the president has, in the past two weeks, even floated the idea of doing a 2024-related event during Biden’s inauguration week, possibly on Inauguration Day, if his legal effort to steal the 2020 election ultimately fails.
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Well, his legal effort is certainly failing and failing spectacularly, so he'd better start planning.
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
lpetrich said:
Trump considering kicking off 2024 run during Biden's inauguration: report | TheHill
noting
Trump’s Already Gaming Out a 2024 Run, Including an Event During Biden’s Inauguration
In the twilight of his presidency, Donald Trump is discussing different ways to disrupt the impending Joe Biden era, chief among them by announcing another run against him.

According to three people familiar with the conversations, the president, who refuses to acknowledge he lost the 2020 election as he clearly did, has not just talked to close advisers and confidants about a potential 2024 run to reclaim the White House but about the specifics of a campaign launch. The conversations have explored, among other things, how Trump could best time his announcement so as to keep the Republican Party behind him for the next four years. Two of these knowledgeable sources said the president has, in the past two weeks, even floated the idea of doing a 2024-related event during Biden’s inauguration week, possibly on Inauguration Day, if his legal effort to steal the 2020 election ultimately fails.
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Well, his legal effort is certainly failing and failing spectacularly, so he'd better start planning.
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I doubt that he has any intention of trying to win in '24. It's a gimmick to get the attention and adulation he craves, from the Q-razies who got him 50 million votes in 2020.
 
Clownstick has also set up a new PAC called Save America. If SarahPAC could raise a few million, and take her personal national tours for half a dozen years living well off of it, how much does anyone think Don the Con could raise for his personal slush fund PAC? Clownstick's favorite color is green, and I'm sure he'll be able to raise a few tens of millions bilking the Trumpster Trash lemmings... Free money with few to no rules on use???
 
Elixir said:
T.G.G. Moogly said:
Well, his legal effort is certainly failing and failing spectacularly, so he'd better start planning.
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I doubt that he has any intention of trying to win in '24. It's a gimmick to get the attention and adulation he craves, from the Q-razies who got him 50 million votes in 2020.
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I bet he's afraid of retaliation from the Q-razies if he doesn't.
 
Trump running starting in January 2021, would be what he did in 2017, he started running (filed the paperwork) almost immediately. This would allow him to do a couple things he loves most, be adored by a crowd and not have to pay for it. Everyone remember when Palin did likewise, to a smaller scale, kind of pretending she was thinking of running with her Palin bus, because the cash was coming in... for a bit. It was a great gig to talk about nothing, be held accountable for nothing, and have other people pay for it.

I imagine this would be the absolute last thing the GOP would want. Of course, they have enabled him to this point, they really don't have a choice.
 
I have no doubt Trump is trying to pave the way for him to be Palin 2.0, I just don't see him having the charisma to pull it off.
 
Seems like Kamala Harris responded by laughing. I've heard her give that response to some other issues, and that might end up being a common caricature of her.
 
The idiots! They think they are paying to help save this election. They don't get most of the money is going to the RNC and Trump's 4 year paid vacation (2021-2025).
 
Why isn't this massive fraud? The fleeces the rubes for $170,000,000.00 using an email full of falsehoods.
If I collected $170.00 doing that, I'd probably be in jail.
 
Republicans cheer on a Trump 2024 run - POLITICO
Congressional Republicans were slow to embrace Donald Trump’s White House campaign in 2016. But the ousted president will have plenty of support on Capitol Hill should he run again in 2024.

Trump is even getting cheered on publicly by some of the very Republicans who could seek higher office in the future. Even in defeat, Trump’s hold on the party remains strong.
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Like Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) and Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL).
In a series of interviews Wednesday, House and Senate Republicans made clear that the GOP has no intention of turning its back on Trumpism — or Trump himself. That’s in part because Trump remains an exceedingly popular figure in his party, far more than most congressional Republicans. Some Republicans declined to discuss the 2024 race, however, deeming it too speculative.
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This would be so very, very funny if Trump tried a half-assed run in 2024, split the GOP vote and handed the Democrats the election. Go, Trump! Onwards to total humiliation and defeat!
 
Civil war between MAGA, GOP establishment could hand Dems total control | TheHill

After noting how only 3% of MAGA people think that Joe Biden will be the US's next President, starting next year,
Which leads to a big problem for those who have an eye on the 2024 prize. That list includes Vice President Mike Pence, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley, Governors Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) and Kristi Noem (R-S.D.), Sens. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), Rick Scott (R-Fla.), Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Ted Cruz (R-Texas), among others.
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After noting what Big Names they are,
News Flash: None of them remotely have a chance if Trump runs again.

A big chunk of the reason lies in the enormous loyalty Trump retains from his base, which is much bigger than the pre-election pundits believed given the more than 74 million votes the candidate received, or 20 million more than Ronald Reagan received in 1984 in winning 49 states.

Another is media attention, where Jupiter Trump blocks out the sun and therefore any light on any of the aforementioned candidates above, just as he did in 2016 against 17 others – including Cruz and Rubio – who received a fraction of the coverage.

Trump also has the role of victim going for him.
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Author Joe Concha ends with
As we exit 2020, the longtime two-party system has expanded to four.

It's MAGA vs. the GOP establishment. It's “the Squad” vs. the Democratic establishment.

Save for a Hail Mary in the legal process, President Trump will become an ex-president and a presidential candidate at around the same time. With such a fractured landscape, don't expect unity to be a theme in Washington anytime soon.
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Seems like the Tea Party has become the MAGA movement.
 
I... almost hope he runs? I mean, provided he doesn't actually win. He wouldn't, right? I mean... he couldn't... right?
 
The tea party morphed into Trumpism - The Washington Post by Geoffrey Kabaservice
The tea party movement was just getting started when I began writing a history of the Republican Party in 2009. I viewed the movement as the latest iteration of a basically cyclical populist phenomenon. It would push American politics to the right, I thought at the time, but eventually its impact would dissipate. The country would then swing back toward the center for a number of years until the next conservative counter-reaction.

But the tea party never really faded away. It mutated. It became the Trump movement, which is likely to dominate the Republican Party and have a major impact on politics for years to come. If the best guide to conservatism was once Arthur Schlesinger Jr.’s “The Cycles of American History,” now it might be Leon Trotsky’s “The Permanent Revolution.” Conservatism’s familiar pattern of advance, consolidation, retrenchment and renewal has vanished. In its place is some
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He then noted bursts of conservative activism, bursts separated by some 10 - 15 years of quiescence.
  • late 1930's - early 1940's: "America First"
  • early 1950's: a Red Scare and Sen. Joe McCarthy
  • (didn't mention the John Birch Society: late 1950's - early 1960's)
  • 1964: Barry Goldwater's candidacy
  • 1976, 1980: Ronald Reagan's candidacy
  • 1994: the angry white males who made Newt Gingrich speaker
  • 2010: the Tea Party
The "teabaggers" were rather easy to make fun of: "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"

What created this cycle?
For one thing, it’s hard to keep any political movement going at full steam for a long time. Activists can put their jobs and personal lives on hold for a while when their efforts gather force and advance toward victory, but that’s not sustainable indefinitely.
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In short, activism burnout. Another is electing some of the activists to public office.

Much like how a Schlesinger liberal period ends. From activism burnout and having some successes.

But once in office, such legislators become more moderate, or at least more pragmatic. Former Senator Slade Gordon (R-WA) noted a cycle:

First the Goldwaterites, then the Reaganites, then the Gingrichites, then the teabaggers.
“The people who are in party organizations and want to win elections have to make certain compromises,” Gorton told me, “and then they get thrown out by the true believers.” A perfect example was John Boehner, who had been a right-wing bomb-thrower during the Gingrich era but became the embodiment of the GOP establishment until tea partyers made his job as House speaker so miserable that he resigned in 2015.
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The teabaggers were something else.
The tea party, though, was something new. It departed from the cyclical pattern of previous conservative movements. The 87 Republicans swept into the House by the tea party wave in 2010 mostly came from gerrymandered conservative districts, so they had no need to moderate to win over Democratic and independent voters; their only threat to reelection was being outflanked from the right in a GOP primary. But while they could have had long political careers, comparatively few did. A 2016 profile of the tea party class observed that by that time, nearly a quarter were gone, many of them having “decided after just five years that they’ve had enough of Congress.” By 2018, nearly half had left the House (although some went on to the Senate or other political offices).

Many of these legislators genuinely hated being in government — and so, unsurprisingly, were lousy at governing.
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Then such awful governance as not coming up with any good substitute for Obamacare, despite wanting to "repeal and replace" it. Also interfering with cooperation with President Obama and forcing out Speaker John Boehner for supposedly being too willing to make deals with Democrats.

Trump's Presidency revived the Tea Party under the name MAGA - Make America Great Again.
Trump in 2016 articulated grievances that were based on the real problems of non-college-educated Americans in rural regions and postindustrial towns, communities that have been destroyed by job losses, family dysfunction, and epidemics of drug and alcohol addiction. The tea party had also channeled the anger and disappointment of Americans who had lost manufacturing jobs to automation and globalization, who sensed that both parties had permitted much of the economy’s gains to be captured by special interests, and who felt disdained by the cultural elite and ignored by the political elite. But both the tea party and Trump’s movement also were rooted in fact-free conspiracy theories about the treachery of Democrats and elites, who allegedly plotted to destroy the livelihoods and traditions of “real Americans” for their own benefit.
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Donald Trump himself has noted the TP - MAGA contibuity.
Trump and Republicans in Congress could have chosen to pursue policies that would have improved the lives of their supporters. But the tea party’s contempt for policymaking carried over into the Trump administration; the GOP couldn’t even be bothered to assemble a platform at this year’s convention.
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These self-styled fiscal conservatives let the budget deficient grow by $4 trillion over Trump's Presidency. Despite Trump's completely failed leadership against the COVID-19 virus, many of them came to believe in QAnon, a conspiracy theory that pictures Trump as a heroic leader battling Democratic pedophiles.

Then how the TP-MAGA movement is about Trotsky-style permanent revolution.
It has become a perpetual grievance machine unwilling (and unable) to address those grievances through governance or the legislative process. And in refusing to accept Trump’s defeat, the conservative movement increasingly insists that the rule of law, truth and democracy are what the revolution says they are.
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