Trump Approval ~40% - And post Trump America

[Jimmy Higgins]

So, a pair of polls have been released, indicating that Trump has an approval rating of around 40%, which is much much much lower than any President first upon taking office since well, the polls were taken. This leads to a couple of reflections.

Firstly, one may say the polls are wrong, after all the polls were wrong about the election. Actually, the polls for the national vote (oddly enough) seemed the closest. So even including a 5 pt bump, Trump is the least liked President ever elected.

Second, where the fuck were these people on election day?! Granted, maybe his polling numbers look better if you assign weight to the respondents based on what state they live in. So while his total popular support is 40% (and what the fuck is wrong with this 40% of America), his Electoral College support level is 50%. Which is still historically low.
So, how is Trump taking it?

Not too well.

The same people who did the phony election polls, and were so wrong, are now doing approval rating polls. They are rigged just like before.

Now, a couple things. Firstly, just get ready for Trump to say that anything he doesn't like is a lie or rigged or fake news. 2018 budget deficit is $650 billion, "fake news". Russia annexed Ukraine, "propaganda". ISIS is still around in 2019, "lie". If Trump can't handle two things, they are 1) disrespect and 2) anything that remotely reflects on him badly. Remember, this is the guy who called into radio programs and talked about himself under an alias, gloating about how great he was (yeah, that guy is going to be President).

Secondly, it appears Trump is so sociopathic that he believes he is above being scrutinized. We are so worried about what this asshat is going to do as President, that some are overlooking that this guy thinks he may be quite above the law (which he already thought he was prior to being President). Who can put this guy's feet to the fire if he thinks any attempt at controlling him is wrong?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Nobody's going to control him and he's just going to do what he wants without any consequences. The GOP aren't going to cross him and the Dems have less power and influence than John Hawkes. If your first question upon hearing that is "Who the hell is John Hawkes?" then you got the point. This is what your country's lack of concern about the electoral process got you.

 

[rousseau]

Things are about to get weird.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nobody's going to control him and he's just going to do what he wants without any consequences. The GOP aren't going to cross him and the Dems have less power and influence than John Hawkes. If your first question upon hearing that is "Who the hell is John Hawkes?" then you got the point. This is what your country's lack of concern about the electoral process got you.

John Hawkes was a US soccer player. I made him get a PK once... oh wait... that's John Harkes.

But back to the original point, the GOP won't turn on him? Who do you think put the Russian accusations out there in the first place?

 

[laughing dog]

So, a pair of polls have been released, indicating that Trump has an approval rating of around 40%, which is much much much lower than any President first upon taking office since well, the polls were taken. This leads to a couple of reflections.

Firstly, one may say the polls are wrong, after all the polls were wrong about the election. Actually, the polls for the national vote (oddly enough) seemed the closest. So even including a 5 pt bump, Trump is the least liked President ever elected.

Second, where the fuck were these people on election day?! Granted, maybe his polling numbers look better if you assign weight to the respondents based on what state they live in. So while his total popular support is 40% (and what the fuck is wrong with this 40% of America), his Electoral College support level is 50%. Which is still historically low.
So, how is Trump taking it?

Not too well.

The same people who did the phony election polls, and were so wrong, are now doing approval rating polls. They are rigged just like before.

Now, a couple things. Firstly, just get ready for Trump to say that anything he doesn't like is a lie or rigged or fake news. 2018 budget deficit is $650 billion, "fake news". Russia annexed Ukraine, "propaganda". ISIS is still around in 2019, "lie". If Trump can't handle two things, they are 1) disrespect and 2) anything that remotely reflects on him badly. Remember, this is the guy who called into radio programs and talked about himself under an alias, gloating about how great he was (yeah, that guy is going to be President).

Secondly, it appears Trump is so sociopathic that he believes he is above being scrutinized. We are so worried about what this asshat is going to do as President, that some are overlooking that this guy thinks he may be quite above the law (which he already thought he was prior to being President). Who can put this guy's feet to the fire if he thinks any attempt at controlling him is wrong?

None of this is real news. As to who is going to put hold him accountable? Presumably, Congress or the courts, depending on the particulars. Maybe he will cross the line and get impeached. My guess is that if he does cross the line, given that Pence would take over, that a significant segment of the GOP in Congress would go along with it.

 

[funinspace]

Secondly, it appears Trump is so sociopathic that he believes he is above being scrutinized. We are so worried about what this asshat is going to do as President, that some are overlooking that this guy thinks he may be quite above the law (which he already thought he was prior to being President). Who can put this guy's feet to the fire if he thinks any attempt at controlling him is wrong?

I think narcissist is a better fit than sociopath... I'd say he is a slam dunk for at least 8 of the 9 below bullets.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...-sociopath-similarities-differences-and-signs

Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy as indicated by 5 or more of the following:

* Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (exaggerates achievements, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
* Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited power, success, brilliance, beauty or ideal love
* Believes her or she is “special” and can only be understood by similarly special, high status people
* Requires excessive admiration
* Has a sense of entitlement
* Is interpersonally exploitative
* Lacks empathy
* Is envious of others or believes others are envious of him/her
* Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Antisocial Personality Disorder

A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, occurring since age 15, as evidenced by 3 or more of the following:

* Failure to conform to social norms as evidenced by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
* Deceitfulness
* Impulsivity
* Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
* Reckless disregard for the safety of others
* Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial commitments
* Lack of remorse, as being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt others
* The individual is at least 18 years of age

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Nobody's going to control him and he's just going to do what he wants without any consequences. The GOP aren't going to cross him and the Dems have less power and influence than John Hawkes. If your first question upon hearing that is "Who the hell is John Hawkes?" then you got the point. This is what your country's lack of concern about the electoral process got you.

John Hawkes was a US soccer player. I made him get a PK once... oh wait... that's John Harkes.

But back to the original point, the GOP won't turn on him? Who do you think put the Russian accusations out there in the first place?

Trump controls the Republican base and they're the part of the country that loves him. Any GOP guys who try and obstruct him are going to get primaried and they know it. The Dems are fine ignoring the left wing of their party because those people have demonstrated that they lack the motivation to get out and vote, so their opinion doesn't matter. The right wing has demonstrated the opposite, so the GOP know that ignoring or crossing them is career suicide.

 

[Sarpedon]

Well, he's hardly done anything since the election to improve the way people think about him. For example, showing the slightest bit of effort, appointing experienced and qualified persons to the cabinet, or not looking like a stunned duck. Like I said earlier, now that Clinton's out of the picture, there's nothing propping his popularity up.

Online gamblers give 4:1 that he gets impeached in 6 months.
Ticket scalpers are losing money on inaugeration tickets.
Estimates for Trump's inaugeration attendence are half of who attended Obama's.

Nationwide protests planned for the day after. I will go to mine if my foot feels better by then.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

So, a pair of polls have been released, indicating that Trump has an approval rating of around 40%, which is much much much lower than any President first upon taking office since well, the polls were taken.

Just consider for a moment that he may have peaked.

 

[prideandfall]

Second, where the fuck were these people on election day?!

feeling the bern, complaining about email servers, buying into the right-wing narrative that clinton was a horrible person and a bad presidential candidate, suffering from a psychotic delusional that trump supporters secretly didn't like trump and were going to "wake up" and suddenly dislike him for all the batshit insanity he represented (when in fact that's exactly why they voted for him) - the usual gamut of political stupidity with the voting public in the US.

 

[Jayjay]

The pendulum swings both ways. Him being at the lowest point now, just means that when he gets above 50% ratings sometime in the future it's going to be seen as a YUUUGE victory. Somehow I don't see how things could get any worse for him in terms of public perception: what on Earth could he do that would be seen more negatively than being blackmailed by Russia because he hired prostitutes to urinate on Obama's bed?

I guess we'll find out!

 

[prideandfall]

Somehow I don't see how things could get any worse for him in terms of public perception

SSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH jesus, shut up!
that's what we said about bush, and for fuck's sake look how THAT shit turned out.

 

[Sarpedon]

And we've been saying it about Trump for the last year.

This barrel has no bottom.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

The pendulum swings both ways. Him being at the lowest point now, just means that when he gets above 50% ratings sometime in the future it's going to be seen as a YUUUGE victory. Somehow I don't see how things could get any worse for him in terms of public perception: what on Earth could he do that would be seen more negatively than being blackmailed by Russia because he hired prostitutes to urinate on Obama's bed?

I guess we'll find out!

I don't know how much movement there's going to be. One thing that this election has shown is that Trump has both a hard ceiling and a hard floor of support. While it's possible that his plans are going to be monstrously successful and start off a new American Golden Age and that will bump things up, this probably isn't going to happen and his approval levels will hang around where they are now.

 

[dismal]

Second, where the fuck were these people on election day?!

Busy not voting for Hillary Clinton.

Remember, that's who Democrats chose to run against him and stuff.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The pendulum swings both ways. Him being at the lowest point now, just means that when he gets above 50% ratings sometime in the future it's going to be seen as a YUUUGE victory. Somehow I don't see how things could get any worse for him in terms of public perception: what on Earth could he do that would be seen more negatively than being blackmailed by Russia because he hired prostitutes to urinate on Obama's bed?

I guess we'll find out!

I don't know how much movement there's going to be. One thing that this election has shown is that Trump has both a hard ceiling and a hard floor of support. While it's possible that his plans are going to be monstrously successful and start off a new American Golden Age and that will bump things up, this probably isn't going to happen and his approval levels will hang around where they are now.

Well, around 2008, no one would admit voting for W Bush... twice.

 

[Treedbear]

The Democratic leadership has been quite vocally wishing Trump a successful Presidency, in stark contrast to the Republicans during Obama's inauguration. It's not out of naivity or trying to show how superior they are. The scary thing is what will he do if and when things start going really bad, either internationally or domestically, and his poll number drop to maybe 20%? What happens when the politicians who've been afraid to criticize him start saying they always thought his ideas were screwy?

 

[whichphilosophy]

40%. The Tories in England won the election on just under 40%. I suppose in that sense it's not so bad.
I think Trump just wooed Teresa May over Brexit, Good news for here because she hadn't done anything on it.

 

[Elixir]

The pendulum swings both ways. Him being at the lowest point now, just means that when he gets above 50% ratings sometime in the future it's going to be seen as a YUUUGE victory. Somehow I don't see how things could get any worse for him in terms of public perception: what on Earth could he do that would be seen more negatively than being blackmailed by Russia because he hired prostitutes to urinate on Obama's bed?

I guess we'll find out!

I don't know how much movement there's going to be. One thing that this election has shown is that Trump has both a hard ceiling and a hard floor of support. While it's possible that his plans are going to be monstrously successful and start off a new American Golden Age and that will bump things up, this probably isn't going to happen and his approval levels will hang around where they are now.

Agree. I think his approval numbers will continue to inch down until they hit that hard bottom, then stay there. All that tweeting is starting to have a wearing effect - he picks six or eight fights a day, and after a while the drama becomes old. "After a while" is ... right about now and henceforth. People - even those who support him - are sick of it. When there was still a mountain to climb it was a source of excitement; "He's really stirring it up!". But now it's more like the thread in this forum "What idiotic thing did Trump Tweet today?". It's the same old vacuous insults, now without any point to be made. It's just ugly.

The only thing that could produce a significant bump for him would be if he actually DID something, and I'm rather doubtful that he's capable of doing anything (what with those tiny hands and all).

 

[rousseau]

The Democratic leadership has been quite vocally wishing Trump a successful Presidency, in stark contrast to the Republicans during Obama's inauguration. It's not out of naivity or trying to show how superior they are. The scary thing is what will he do if and when things start going really bad, either internationally or domestically, and his poll number drop to maybe 20%? What happens when the politicians who've been afraid to criticize him start saying they always thought his ideas were screwy?

My only shining light in all of this is the hope that Trump severely crashes and burns and gets what's coming to him with little collateral damage.

I've never been spiteful toward people as a rule, but I couldn't give a damn what happens to Trump.