Trump as the Antichrist?

[Bomb#20]

There is no such thing as the anti-Christ,

Sure there is.

The Project Gutenberg eBook of The Antichrist, by F. W. Nietzsche

It's a blast!

 

[Bomb#20]

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We are talking about whether someone has checked off very specific, religiously advertised boxes of personal qualities: blaspheming on the steps of a temple; lying a bunch; engaging with 'the whore'; enabling plagues to run rampant across the globe and in particular for their own followers; poisoning the waters; (etc...).
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I think people have varying ideas as to what the "antichrist" is supposed to be. I was not aware of the specific list you mention, I've always understood the antichrist to be the opposite of what Christ supposedly stands for.

As far as boxes to check off go, I'm pretty sure "His father is Satan" is number one on the list. At least according to every antichrist movie ever.

Think of the expression "what would Christ do?" (More often as "what would Jesus do?") The antichrist would typically do the opposite.

As usual Christians lose the thread. When one is looking for life guidance, the correct question is "What would Jackie Chan do?".

 

[ideologyhunter]

Back to Marburg: It's been documented for the past 58 years. No Marburg-specific therapy exists. Mortality rate is about 62%. On the positive side, transmission, although poorly understood, is not nearly as prolific as with, say, flu and covid. It is of course contagious, so quarantine is mandated and protective equipment for medical personnel is necessary. Any virus can mutate, so the potential for pandemic can't be ruled out. Only a dumbass like Trump would think that going it alone on disease control is a good idea -- he learned nothing from the million + we lost to covid.

 

[Jarhyn]

Back to Marburg: It's been documented for the past 58 years. No Marburg-specific therapy exists. Mortality rate is about 62%. On the positive side, transmission, although poorly understood, is not nearly as prolific as with, say, flu and covid. It is of course contagious, so quarantine is mandated and protective equipment for medical personnel is necessary. Any virus can mutate, so the potential for pandemic can't be ruled out. Only a dumbass like Trump would think that going it alone on disease control is a good idea -- he learned nothing from the million + we lost to covid.

Well, that's certainly another one of the things discussed.

Apparently though, the really bad plagues only start once the loyalty pledges and mark is established?

And we're en route to that: those who pledge loyalty to this are going to be expected to be head-in-sand, antivax, and so on.

While the MAGA hat is a prototype of the concept of such a loyalty pledge to anti-science, this will unarguably create a situation where the "bowl" of such plagues will be poured out on those who deny science and eschew personal protective gear, hand washing, and effective medicine.

Poisoning the waters, the world warming rapidly, and then darkness are on the bingo card, too, though, if we are talking about "the bowls of wrath".

I can absolutely see a "Trump" style global warming "solution" of blacking the sky out with clouds, too...

It's on par with trying to nuke hurricanes.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Or else he's all in a muddle and he really meant to nuke the Caravan and build a hurricane wall.

 

[Jarhyn]

Or else he's all in a muddle and he really meant to nuke the Caravan and build a hurricane wall.

My point being, wild and fun speculation about whether Trump turns out to be religiously significant, or at least significant to religious people's, especially after the fact.

I think that for all their failings, religious churches and cults are close to the truth about some important things. Whether some foreknowledge of events is in that purview is highly debatable, but history has a way of repeating and humans have an annoying tendency to lean into such repetitions, at least in some measure, even unto intentionally trying to force fulfillment of prophecy.

People are breeding red heifers, after all.

The point here is that we are seeing hot days, horrible plagues, and dark times ahead, too. Poisoning all the waters sounds like a lot, though? It depends on how badly the expansion of oil prospecting fucks up the planet in the coming years, I think.

If I was going to make a bingo card, I would have both "metaphorical darkness" and "literal darkness", as well as "metaphorical reshaping of the earth" and "literal reshaping of the earth".

I guess you get a two-fer for either, if it's literal?

The horse seals are largely gimmies at this point, as Putin was given a crown and is conquering, currently, following a period of inordinate peace, people are giving leave to kill one another with stand-your-ground and the freeing of j6 signaling indemnity to murders by the faithful, the incoming economic price crisis, the perversion of all christianity to demand apologies for pleas of mercy, and ultimately the death that will follow the removal of the social safety nets and existing human infrastructure of our government, for the horses.

The "bowls" come after the "seals", separated by the loyalty pledge, I think? It's been a while since I actually read revelation and I'm not about to now.

That would imply, if we are really checking off boxes seriously, we would have to expect a major earthquake, and a celestial event on the scale of "big rip is happening" and "it's made it past the microwave background".

Apparently the loyalty pledge under threat of execution initiates after that, so if we see disloyalty elevated to a capital offense without some major celestial event it's not really a reason to start believing in God so much as the shittiness of humans, but that's gotta go on the bingo card too, even if the balls for a blackout probably aren't even in the hopper, to stretch the bingo metaphor.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Trump rubs a lamp. Poof.
Genie: It's...you. You want a wish...from me?
Trump: I do. It's the thing I need help with. I need you to bring the spark back to my marriage. I can't stand being humiliated in public by that woman. She's turned into a frigid porcupine. I looked it up: I can't have her killed. Bring back the love, genie!
Genie: Okay, pick up the lamp again. Rub it real good on one side. Make it shine. Is it shiny? Okay, put it next to your face and tell me what you see.
Trump: I can see me. What is your point?
Genie: My point is, you're a sunburned cane toad. You look like you're a hundred years old. You think some slinky woman is going to throw you down on a bed and have her way with you? Jesus Christ!! You've got to choose a wish I can grant.
Trump: Okay. Okay. You're wrong about the toad part, though. I can have any woman I want. But okay. Here's the other one. I want to own Gaza, get rid of the unexploded bombs, get other countries to take 2 million people, make the Palestinians happy in their new lands, bulldoze all the wreckage, make it into the next Riviera, put my clubs and hotels all over it, make it a beautiful place with all kinds of jobs, and make the Arab world see how beautiful it is.
Genie: Is that all?
Trump: Can you do it?
Genie: Tell me about that frigid porcupine again.

 

[Jarhyn]

Wow. So, "anti-christian task force". Holy shit it's so on the nose.

 

[excreationist]

Revelation 13:3
One of the beast’s heads seemed to have had a deadly wound. But the wound had been healed. The whole world was amazed and followed the beast.

Also I think in the Left Behind series the Antichrist helps rebuild the temple and inside it he declares himself to be God - not sure if that is Biblical though.
The statements about the US owning Gaza makes the rebuilding of the temple seem a lot more likely.

 

[Ford]

There is no such thing as the anti-Christ, but Revelations speak of Christians splintering and a splinter following a guy that ain't remotely what they are supposed to be following.

(full disclosure, I haven't read the entire thread)

The first thing that popped into my mind was this very earnest young co-worker I had back in 1996 who went out of his way to explain that while Bill Clinton wasn't the Anti-Christ, he was absolutely the harbinger, and the Anti-Christ was at the time living in France and waiting for the prophecies to be fulfilled. I tried to explain to him that I'd heard all of this before. From watching the "Late Great Planet Earth" movie in the 70s, to watching Pat Robertson (for laughs) in the late 80s and the Anti-Christ and the attendant Armageddon stubbornly refused to materialize.

Granted, there's no such thing as an "Anti-Christ" and there won't be a Return 'O Jesus anytime soon (or ever), but I think a case can be made that Trump is akin to the many "mad emperors" that were given control of the Roman Empire in the couple centuries that passed after Jesus was allegedly crucified. He's (maybe) not as kinky as Caligula, but he certainly has an outsized sense of his own importance. Is it on the level of trying to wipe out Carthage or conquer Britain once and for all no matter how many decades it takes? Maybe. And now there's the possibility that some 20 year old kid who works for Elon has the nuclear codes.

Edited to add:

If there was a better candidate for the Anti-Christ, it's JD Vance. The "DOGE" tech bro who was fired and then re-hired? Vance defended him. He was fired because he said some very racist stuff about Indian immigrants. Vance - married to an Indian immigrant and with three mixed race kids - said "I'm fine with that. He's a great guy, and I totally support him."

 

[excreationist]

The first step before the Antichrist entering the new temple and declaring himself God is to rebuild the temple:

Pete Hegseth floats third Jewish temple in unearthed speech: 'It could happen'

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth floated the possibility of a third Jewish temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, according to a recently unearthed interview

www.christianpost.com

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth floated the possibility of a third Jewish temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, according to a recently unearthed interview.

"There’s no reason why the miracle of the re-establishment of the temple on the Temple Mount is not possible," Hegseth said during a 2018 speech at the Arutz Sheva conference in Jerusalem, according to the Times of Israel.

 

[Jarhyn]

The first step before the Antichrist entering the new temple and declaring himself God is to rebuild the temple:

Pete Hegseth floats third Jewish temple in unearthed speech: 'It could happen'

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth floated the possibility of a third Jewish temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, according to a recently unearthed interview

www.christianpost.com

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth floated the possibility of a third Jewish temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, according to a recently unearthed interview.

"There’s no reason why the miracle of the re-establishment of the temple on the Temple Mount is not possible," Hegseth said during a 2018 speech at the Arutz Sheva conference in Jerusalem, according to the Times of Israel.

Well, yeah.

Enlighten me though, does this happen before or after the seals finish out?

Because the schedule in Revelation would say the major cosmic event and cataclysmic earthquakes happen before the loyalty test, but I'm pretty sure that the temple being built and declaring himself God happens before the loyalty test, too.

 

[excreationist]

The first step before the Antichrist entering the new temple and declaring himself God is to rebuild the temple:

Pete Hegseth floats third Jewish temple in unearthed speech: 'It could happen'

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth floated the possibility of a third Jewish temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, according to a recently unearthed interview

www.christianpost.com

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth floated the possibility of a third Jewish temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, according to a recently unearthed interview.

"There’s no reason why the miracle of the re-establishment of the temple on the Temple Mount is not possible," Hegseth said during a 2018 speech at the Arutz Sheva conference in Jerusalem, according to the Times of Israel.

Well, yeah.

Enlighten me though, does this happen before or after the seals finish out?

Because the schedule in Revelation would say the major cosmic event and cataclysmic earthquakes happen before the loyalty test, but I'm pretty sure that the temple being built and declaring himself God happens before the loyalty test, too.

Not sure but I found this:

ANTICHRIST IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD

Life-Study of 1 & 2 Thessalonians,
by Witness Lee
ANTICHRIST IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD
In verse 4 Paul gives a further description of Antichrist: “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or an object of worship, so that he seats himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself that he is God.” This fulfills the prophecy concerning Antichrist in Daniel 11:36 and 37. This will take place in the midst of the last week, as prophesied in Daniel 9:27.

 

[ZiprHead]

Not sure but I found this:
ANTICHRIST IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD

Life-Study of 1 & 2 Thessalonians,
by Witness Lee
ANTICHRIST IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD
In verse 4 Paul gives a further description of Antichrist: “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or an object of worship, so that he seats himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself that he is God.” This fulfills the prophecy concerning Antichrist in Daniel 11:36 and 37. This will take place in the midst of the last week, as prophesied in Daniel 9:27.

Trump Tower in Gaza?