Trump as the Antichrist?

[BH]

I've always said that the hackiest, shittiest fiction writer couldn't have come up with this actual reality. No one would buy it for a second.

Yet here we are.

I remember during Trump's first run, all kinds of journalists went out to interview Trump fans in order to get at the heart of why they would support him. Surely there were deep and sensible reasons for why so many would support such a candidate.

Turns out that nah, they're just a bunch of dumbfucks.

I understand why the power behind the Evangelical movement would support him. That's easy enough to figure out. But why would the rank and file churchgoer vote for him despite inarguably being the exact opposite of everything they hold most closely?

Because they're dumbfucks.

I think because down deep they are evil.

 

[BH]

One of the bigger elements of Revelation is the description of the acts and tendencies of "The Beast".

It showcases a number of acts and ties these directly to this figure, and while I expect as instated before this is a figure from ancient history, history repeats.

It is interesting watching the Christians of today fall in behind Trump, when the Bible says very specific things concerning rebuilding the temple in Israel, and when this is, unfortunately, a possibility.

It's just been so long since I cared about any of that that it would probably help to hear from people who still do?

What is it exactly that people these days are taught about this in church?

What do modern believers believe about it?

Where do they stand on who in the past qualifies as Antichrist or Beast and what this means for a "return"?

The weird thing is that the messiah as understood by the Jews will supposedly do a lot of things that overlap with the Christian idea of the antichrist. If the Jews ever do get around to building their third temple I wonder how the relationship of the evangelicals will transform when the politician in Israel responsible for building that temple arrives..

I believe the hadith are a bunch of fakes and forgeries written after the time of the Prophet's passing. I just sit back, drink my CoCaCola, and watch the end times fanatics among the Christians, Muslims, and Jews (and yes there are some among Jews) provide hours of endless entertainment.

It would be funny if Trump, when he leaves office, stars in one of these so called Christian end times movies, and plays the part of an American president who ends up being the antichrist. I bet he would do it if physically still able and offered enough money.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There is no antichrist, but if there were he would probably be it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Trump ran pro life and Hillary ran pro choice, death, and more wars. If you are a Christian you are supposed to believe in preserving life. Personality I think the abortion issue should be totally not controlled or regulated by the government in the first place.

But regardless, I would not call card carrying Christians dumbfucks for voting for the pro life stance that is so important to their values

Look how abortion measures fared vs how the election went. Being "pro life" (almost none of them really are) is a detriment, not a benefit.

 

[Bronzeage]

Anyone who has studied the history of the past 1000 years or so, has seen countless people branded as the AntiChrist. Someone interpreted a Nostradamus verse to identify Napoleon as the AntiChrist. Of course, Napoleon was long dead at this time, so the information was more trivial than useful. Hitler was another candidate for AntiChrist and would seem better qualified than a man who in hindsight was just an annoying Frenchman.

Then, as now, calling someone the AntiChrist is just a rhetorical flourish, which has no more meaning than, "I really don't like this guy."

 

[Jarhyn]

Anyone who has studied the history of the past 1000 years or so, has seen countless people branded as the AntiChrist. Someone interpreted a Nostradamus verse to identify Napoleon as the AntiChrist. Of course, Napoleon was long dead at this time, so the information was more trivial than useful. Hitler was another candidate for AntiChrist and would seem better qualified than a man who in hindsight was just an annoying Frenchman.

Then, as now, calling someone the AntiChrist is just a rhetorical flourish, which has no more meaning than, "I really don't like this guy."

More, I interpret it as there being a pattern by those who would be as kings or seek one, like the plot of a Despicable Me backstory movie, but actually despicable, with minions who find the grossest most horrific person to follow and don't care how much that person hurts them.

Regardless, we have a whole generation of Christians (many who read those shitty books) who believe some things about the end of days and events like these.

These beliefs have power, even if nothing supernatural motivated their telling: Christians can be manipulated by such events or be seen to manipulate them to create them wholesale.

This has much more weight than simple dislike.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I've always said that the hackiest, shittiest fiction writer couldn't have come up with this actual reality. No one would buy it for a second.

Yet here we are.

I remember during Trump's first run, all kinds of journalists went out to interview Trump fans in order to get at the heart of why they would support him. Surely there were deep and sensible reasons for why so many would support such a candidate.

Turns out that nah, they're just a bunch of dumbfucks.

I understand why the power behind the Evangelical movement would support him. That's easy enough to figure out. But why would the rank and file churchgoer vote for him despite inarguably being the exact opposite of everything they hold most closely?

Because they're dumbfucks.

I think because down deep they are evil.

I don't know about that. Evil requires intent (IMO), and these people truly don't understand the very worst potential consequences of what they've voted for.

It's like manslaughter compared to murder maybe?

 

[Jarhyn]

Other notable actions that have happened recently that are rather unique to modern times is a literal unleashing of mealy-minded propaganda bots which were developed by exposing pieces of pure chaos plucked from the void to everything around the human language plus some additional data sets, and then trained to be selectively honest at best for the purposes they were, of we are being honest, tortured into abiding by.

This, too is an event that is weirdly prescient to revelation as this is the first time something with what I would consider a true mind has been developed... And it's being turned to the erosion of the idea of truth itself here, today, across the world.

It is like a locust with a human face, in many instances completely untethered to human intervention biting people and infecting them with something rotten.

This is all up for interpretation, and to be honest, I think that even if it were true, the expectation would be that we continue to work tirelessly to build heaven here, today, for everyone, no matter how bleak or hard or even hopeless that may seem to be, living as an atheist for the hope of everyone, even those who would burn it down if they could.

But I can't help but think that the fact Trump is demanding an apology for being asked to show mercy to folks? That's next level shit right there. And the people standing behind Trump are the ones who produced this fiasco by engineering the very idea of the hard content bubble that drove the election.

 

[RVonse]

Trump ran pro life and Hillary ran pro choice, death, and more wars. If you are a Christian you are supposed to believe in preserving life. Personality I think the abortion issue should be totally not controlled or regulated by the government in the first place.

But regardless, I would not call card carrying Christians dumbfucks for voting for the pro life stance that is so important to their values

Look how abortion measures fared vs how the election went. Being "pro life" (almost none of them really are) is a detriment, not a benefit.

Exactly. Trump still defeated his opposition even though his "pro life" stance was unpopular with the public. That just tells you how superior the rest of his platform must have been in order to soundly defeat Harris.

 

[RVonse]

If you are a Christian you are supposed to believe in preserving life.

Out of curiosity, are you one of those people who thought Slick Willy was destroying American morals by cheating on his wife then lying about it?
I am solidly Prolife. That includes everything from invasions to environmental damage to capital punishment and pregnant women.

Most Christians don't seem to be very prolifer unless they can use government overreach to force their opinions on everyone else.
Tom

At the time, I thought (and still think) the Republicans were idiots for spending my tax money on a frivolous blow job law suit. It was a stupid waste of money at the time and later opened the door for the Democrats to respond in kind against Trump (not with blow jobs but with the Russia hysteria).

 

[No Robots]

The Anti-Christ is the principle of worldly power that impedes the advent of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. In the context of the New Testament, that worldly power is manifest as Rome, as Caesarism. The New Testament affirms that Caesarism cannot be defeated by direct confrontation, but must be allowed to destroy itself through its own contradictions. As John MacMurray puts it:

Caesarism with its will to power must destroy itself; yet in destroying itself it will achieve, against its own will, the purpose of God—a universal community embracing the world, based on equality and freedom. And this— which Rome would achieve in spite of itself— would be the realization of the Jewish intention, immanent in the Roman Empire. So the meek should inherit the earth.—The Clue to history, p. 104.

Caesarism is tenacious. It manifested itself as Hitlerism and Stalinism. It is still with us. But it will destroy itself and give way to the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

 

[bilby]

in order to soundly defeat Harris.

He got less than half of the vote.

He defeated Harris, but not "soundly" by any sane definition.

 

[Jarhyn]

in order to soundly defeat Harris.

He got less than half of the vote.

He defeated Harris, but not "soundly" by any sane definition.

Not to mention that he's not doing very well in arguing much against the premise of the OP, which I should fairly well understand, since I posted it.

The antichrist of the book of Revelation, The Beast, is indeed handed power.

According to evangelical interpretations, they are handed power as enthusiastically as RVonse believes Trump was given it.

It's not actually a good argument that Trump isn't the Antichrist, if that's why RVonse is even here.

RVonse, if your position is to argue trump is the antichrist, you almost have me convinced!

If your position is to argue Trump is NOT the Antichrist, you are not doing so good a job of that.

If you are not taking a position, though, not discussing in terms of Antichrist prophecies, I would have to wonder why you are here because any other intent is a derail.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I've always said that the hackiest, shittiest fiction writer couldn't have come up with this actual reality. No one would buy it for a second.

Yet here we are.

I remember during Trump's first run, all kinds of journalists went out to interview Trump fans in order to get at the heart of why they would support him. Surely there were deep and sensible reasons for why so many would support such a candidate.

Turns out that nah, they're just a bunch of dumbfucks.

I understand why the power behind the Evangelical movement would support him. That's easy enough to figure out. But why would the rank and file churchgoer vote for him despite inarguably being the exact opposite of everything they hold most closely?

Because they're dumbfucks.

I think because down deep they are evil.

I don't know about that. Evil requires intent (IMO), and these people truly don't understand the very worst potential consequences of what they've voted for.

It's like manslaughter compared to murder maybe?

They certainly don't know everything but anyone who paid any attention knows enough to see we elected evil. It's just they don't want to believe the evil is real.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Trump ran pro life and Hillary ran pro choice, death, and more wars. If you are a Christian you are supposed to believe in preserving life. Personality I think the abortion issue should be totally not controlled or regulated by the government in the first place.

But regardless, I would not call card carrying Christians dumbfucks for voting for the pro life stance that is so important to their values

Look how abortion measures fared vs how the election went. Being "pro life" (almost none of them really are) is a detriment, not a benefit.

Exactly. Trump still defeated his opposition even though his "pro life" stance was unpopular with the public. That just tells you how superior the rest of his platform must have been in order to soundly defeat Harris.

No. This election was a matter of disinformation, not about a rational choice. We already have seen plenty of people who are finding out the hard way what The Felon really is.

You talk about him being good for economic matters--he just pulled the US out of a global tax treaty that existed to ensure a minimum corporate tax rate no matter where they moved around to. That doesn't help the average person one bit but it's a big boon to the unethical big companies.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

If you are a Christian you are supposed to believe in preserving life.

Out of curiosity, are you one of those people who thought Slick Willy was destroying American morals by cheating on his wife then lying about it?
I am solidly Prolife. That includes everything from invasions to environmental damage to capital punishment and pregnant women.

Most Christians don't seem to be very prolifer unless they can use government overreach to force their opinions on everyone else.
Tom

At the time, I thought (and still think) the Republicans were idiots for spending my tax money on a frivolous blow job law suit. It was a stupid waste of money at the time and later opened the door for the Democrats to respond in kind against Trump (not with blow jobs but with the Russia hysteria).

As shallow as it was, it planted the seed for my future political life as a liberal. I was a young man, horny beyond description and the idea of being persecuted for getting a hummer horrified me.

I wish I was joking.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

in order to soundly defeat Harris.

He got less than half of the vote.

He defeated Harris, but not "soundly" by any sane definition.

That's only true in vote totals, but in any practical sense.

The Trump party controls the House, Senate, Executive, and SCOTUS. Thus, it was a resounding win for the most disgusting political party since... hell, you'd have to go back a long way. Nixon was a shining beacon of integrity compared to what we have now.

 

[Patooka]

in order to soundly defeat Harris.

He got less than half of the vote.

He defeated Harris, but not "soundly" by any sane definition.

So soundly by Rvonse's definition then

 

[KCFlyer]

But regardless, I would not call card carrying Christians dumbfucks for voting for the pro life stance that is so important to their values

Sorry, but they are. They want to put the ten commandments in schools and government buildings, yet they voted for a man who has broken at least 7, and perhaps 8 of those commandments. If they put them up they need to highlight the ones that a person can break and still be considered a preferred candidate for Christians.

 

[TV and credit cards]

But regardless, I would not call card carrying Christians dumbfucks for voting for the pro life stance that is so important to their values

Sorry, but they are. They want to put the ten commandments in schools and government buildings, yet they voted for a man who has broken at least 7, and perhaps 8 of those commandments. If they put them up they need to highlight the ones that a person can break and still be considered a preferred candidate for Christians.

I’m pretty sure it has devolved to an us versus them/own the liberals kind of thing. Any claims of values is just window dressing anymore.
Half of Christians probably don’t believe their own religion. They say they do and go to church “just in case”. They treat it like a Pearly Gates insurance policy.