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Trump as the Antichrist?

But regardless, I would not call card carrying Christians dumbfucks for voting for the pro life stance that is so important to their values
Sorry, but they are. They want to put the ten commandments in schools and government buildings, yet they voted for a man who has broken at least 7, and perhaps 8 of those commandments. If they put them up they need to highlight the ones that a person can break and still be considered a preferred candidate for Christians.
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It makes little difference what the politician does personally or the integrity of their own lives! What matters to the voter is the platform maintained by those politicians, the bills (and or executive orders) you are confident they will be voting on themselves for YOUR representation.

And it is exactly the same for both sides. For one example, a giant turd of shit (like Nancy Pelosi) is always going to be voted to Washington even though she is a known criminal for her insider trading. Her constituents know good and well she is an insider trader but that does not make the Democrats who voted for her dumb! Because she is still representing THEIR interests even though they know good and well she is a criminal dirt bag.

None of those Democrat or Republican voters are dumb. To think otherwise is the flaw of your own thinking.
 
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But regardless, I would not call card carrying Christians dumbfucks for voting for the pro life stance that is so important to their values
Sorry, but they are. They want to put the ten commandments in schools and government buildings, yet they voted for a man who has broken at least 7, and perhaps 8 of those commandments. If they put them up they need to highlight the ones that a person can break and still be considered a preferred candidate for Christians.
I’m pretty sure it has devolved to an us versus them/own the liberals kind of thing. Any claims of values is just window dressing anymore.
Half of Christians probably don’t believe their own religion. They say they do and go to church “just in case”. They treat it like a Pearly Gates insurance policy.
Which I find quite ironic, since the behavior they justify with it and their self-forgiveness is exactly what voids their policy.

I've looked at Pascal's Wager intensely for decades, and my conclusion has been, as it has been for some time, that any reasonable god prefers an atheist who loves to build the world they find themselves in, and does so for everyone and everything in it to the extent that they may, not for rewards elsewhere but because a building the world creates it's own rewards, for the builders and everyone else, too.

Pascal's Wager would imply that there is no future for those who neglect the present in favor of the future.

The payment plan for the "pearly gates insurance policy" is to do all the things that obviate it's need... And these folks are in arrears.
 
Might I remind some here that this is a thread expressly intended to discuss the personal qualities of Trump and whether those personal qualities expose them as a "prince of lies", and as "the beast". Their personal failures are germane to this. Their political actions (not their platform but their *actions*) are germane.

We are not talking about whether voters are stupid.

We are not talking about whether Trump represents the will of their constituents.

We are talking about whether someone has checked off very specific, religiously advertised boxes of personal qualities: blaspheming on the steps of a temple; lying a bunch; engaging with 'the whore'; enabling plagues to run rampant across the globe and in particular for their own followers; poisoning the waters; (etc...).

If you are not here to engage with that topic, but to instead run political theater talking about whether their policy is A or B when neither A nor B discuss *Antichrist prophecy*, is not germane.
 
I mean yes he has a lot of qualities an Antichrist might have. Is this going to convince anyone he's the wrong choice? No.
 
I mean yes he has a lot of qualities an Antichrist might have. Is this going to convince anyone he's the wrong choice? No.
Well, it might.

Otherwise, what is the point?
 
I mean yes he has a lot of qualities an Antichrist might have. Is this going to convince anyone he's the wrong choice? No.
Well, it might.

Otherwise, what is the point?
People already voted for him despite having these qualities, how will it convince others not to?
 
I mean yes he has a lot of qualities an Antichrist might have. Is this going to convince anyone he's the wrong choice? No.
Well, it might.

Otherwise, what is the point?
People already voted for him despite having these qualities, how will it convince others not to?
Well my guess is that the media filter bubbles invented by social media contributed to that a lot, by just making them entirely ignorant, and inventing separate "realities" for anyone susceptible enough to not notice the viewpoint discrimination.

We have to actually punch back against those filters that enforce the ignorance, and the only way to do that is direct engagement outside those platforms.
 
Maybe this just happens.
I mean, that was definitely the original point, left behind though it has become in centuries of eschatalogical tomfoolery.

"Many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold..."

This generation did not uniquely invent cruelty, greed, or holy deceit.
 
Maybe this just happens.
I mean, that was definitely the original point, left behind though it has been in centuries of eschatalogical tomfoolery.

"Many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold..."

This generation did not uniquely invent cruelty or deceit.
I mean it's not a prophecy so much as a description of what happens efficiently over time: selfish actors will always attempt to mask their behavior so as to seem selfless, so as to be selfish while avoiding social consequences designed to target selfishness.

I would say it's more a continuous process, though, or cyclic: the love of most was already cold because wickedness has always been effective at masking. For every truth delivered, there is a group seeking to make that truth inaccessible as possible because the asymmetry of knowing vs not knowing gives them power.

Always the Ayn Rands of the world will try to espouse selfishness as a virtue, so as to find forgiveness for themselves.

There is no truth in this world that will not see widespread corruption prior to its distribution, because those in charge of distribution are those most interested in said corruption for their benefit.

For every "prophet" of the truth there will always be 10 false prophets.

I can only hope that the next time someone lives out the gospels, though, that this time they bother to show their work.
 
I can only hope that the next time someone lives out the gospels, though, that this time they bother to show their work.
Well, the good Bishop Budde has been putting in a good showing lately.
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No clue who that is.

To be fair, I've been sort of making it my business to figure it out myself over my lifetime, and to show the work this time (the answers I got are slightly different but mostly the same).

It's just really hard to do that as an atheist talking to atheists, let alone "christians" whose whole interest in knowing any of the truth is to pervert it to selfishness as described.
 
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You need to understand many, many things.
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3) Until our negotiations are done, you are to make no press statements about my possible assumption of Antichrist powers. This area is to be studied by my political team and is to be announced ONLY at a rally. I will tell you that, so far, my team sees no substantial barriers. We have test-marketed shirts that say, I Voted for the Convicted Felon and Anti-Christ, and we have had ministers (Ministers!!) asking for them. Franklin Graham was given one, plus a hoodie.
4) Non-negotiable: NO READING IS TO BE REQUIRED ON MY SIDE. Whatever text or background info packet you need to prepare, so be it, but I can not be burdened with reading, esp. Bible, to learn any lines. Rest assured I can talk without notes on any subject whatever, and that I know more about the Antichrist than most ministers, and I can spin this out to the MAGA people with just a 5-minute prep from staff. Let me repeat, so there is no misunderstanding: NO READING IS TO BE REQUIRED ON MY SIDE.
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I can only hope that the next time someone lives out the gospels, though, that this time they bother to show their work.
Well, the good Bishop Budde has been putting in a good showing lately.
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No clue who that is.

To be fair, I've been sort of making it my business to figure it out myself over my lifetime, and to show the work this time (the answers I got are slightly different but mostly the same).

It's just really hard to do that as an atheist talking to atheists, let alone "christians" whose whole interest in knowing any of the truth is to pervert it to selfishness as described.
Marianne Budde, the prelate and bishop of the Episcopal National Cathedral in Washington, had a bit of a moment in the limelight this week for a relatively good reason. I already had a good opinion of her owing to her advocacy for Mathew Shepard's bodily remains, four years' back. They had lingered unburied for decades for fear of vandalism and desecration, until the good Bishop intervened and offered that they could be interred at the Cathedral itself.
 
I can only hope that the next time someone lives out the gospels, though, that this time they bother to show their work.
Well, the good Bishop Budde has been putting in a good showing lately.
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No clue who that is.

To be fair, I've been sort of making it my business to figure it out myself over my lifetime, and to show the work this time (the answers I got are slightly different but mostly the same).

It's just really hard to do that as an atheist talking to atheists, let alone "christians" whose whole interest in knowing any of the truth is to pervert it to selfishness as described.
Marianne Budde, the prelate and bishop of the Episcopal National Cathedral in Washington, had a bit of a moment in the limelight this week for a relatively good reason. I already had a good opinion of her owing to her advocacy for Mathew Shepard's bodily remains, four years' back. They had lingered unburied for decades for fear of vandalism and desecration, until the good Bishop intervened and offered that they could be interred at the Cathedral itself.
Ah, that person. The person whose actions actually sparked the dry tinder that was my intent to post a thread like this over the last 8 years.

Yes, I waffled about posting this thread for almost a decade because I thought it premature. Everyone cries Antichrist at the first whiff of political opposition. People looking to say Trump is not as described by revelation, especially, and are ready to say exactly the same themselves because "both sides".

I wanted to be different, and give him the chance to depose himself as such thoroughly enough to actually wonder if he's going to do the thing with "betraying Israel" after ground breaks on the temple, too.

You don't hve to trust the DailyMail, the Marburg Virus is a real thing. Once infected, your odds of survival are one in two.

Ah, you're filling that bingo card. Deadly Plague of blood poisoning the waters, anyone?
 
Might I remind some here that this is a thread expressly intended to discuss the personal qualities of Trump and whether those personal qualities expose them as a "prince of lies", and as "the beast". Their personal failures are germane to this. Their political actions (not their platform but their *actions*) are germane.

We are not talking about whether voters are stupid.

We are not talking about whether Trump represents the will of their constituents.

We are talking about whether someone has checked off very specific, religiously advertised boxes of personal qualities: blaspheming on the steps of a temple; lying a bunch; engaging with 'the whore'; enabling plagues to run rampant across the globe and in particular for their own followers; poisoning the waters; (etc...).

If you are not here to engage with that topic, but to instead run political theater talking about whether their policy is A or B when neither A nor B discuss *Antichrist prophecy*, is not germane.
I think people have varying ideas as to what the "antichrist" is supposed to be. I was not aware of the specific list you mention, I've always understood the antichrist to be the opposite of what Christ supposedly stands for. Think of the expression "what would Christ do?" (More often as "what would Jesus do?") The antichrist would typically do the opposite.
 
Evidence Trump is the anti- whatever.

Top doctor explains frightening way Trump is letting 'world's deadliest infections' into America


It’s the Daily Mail, highly regarded as 104% trustworthy by conservotards worldwide!!
Anyhow, say hello to the Marburg Virus, guaranteed to make you bleed from every orifice! No cure, no treatment, just die baby, die!
The Shithole of Trumpistan has delights you never dreamed of.
Get rid of the CDC. Just ignore the plague, it will disappear. We only had Covid because we tested for it, otherwise it would have been a nothing. (And pay no attention the million dead.)
 
Might I remind some here that this is a thread expressly intended to discuss the personal qualities of Trump and whether those personal qualities expose them as a "prince of lies", and as "the beast". Their personal failures are germane to this. Their political actions (not their platform but their *actions*) are germane.

We are not talking about whether voters are stupid.

We are not talking about whether Trump represents the will of their constituents.

We are talking about whether someone has checked off very specific, religiously advertised boxes of personal qualities: blaspheming on the steps of a temple; lying a bunch; engaging with 'the whore'; enabling plagues to run rampant across the globe and in particular for their own followers; poisoning the waters; (etc...).

If you are not here to engage with that topic, but to instead run political theater talking about whether their policy is A or B when neither A nor B discuss *Antichrist prophecy*, is not germane.
I think people have varying ideas as to what the "antichrist" is supposed to be. I was not aware of the specific list you mention, I've always understood the antichrist to be the opposite of what Christ supposedly stands for. Think of the expression "what would Christ do?" (More often as "what would Jesus do?") The antichrist would typically do the opposite.
Kind of, but Revelation specifically talks about a number of discrete events and a specific singular beast, even if this beast is more a template than an individual.

It outlines a pattern of whole events that seems to happen in reality over and over and over again. I would almost bet that we have started evolving an intrinsic and biologically instinctive awareness of the cycle.

In these religions, there is an apocalyptic event that they claim is described by the story told in Revelation.

For more information on these sorts of beliefs look up the "Left Behind" series by LaHay. It's some bottom of the barrel sort of writing, but describes fairly well what a lot of apocalyptic Christians believe (and shows you the true extent of why it is a 'death cult').

These folks believe the earth is doomed, and so feel no responsibility to build it up here, now, today... thus reifying said doom. Personally, I think that the reality is the reverse: even if the earth is doomed, that doom must be looked away from and not acknowledged.

We ought instead work on the futile hope of building Heaven for everyone here in the world we have despite the fact others will burn it all down around us as we try. If there is a god, they will appreciate this much more than us merely giving up and hoping that God will build it for us.


The wiki article goes into more depth on the subject.

I rather agree with you (and much of the Bible) that the antichrist figure was more written as an archetype, and I reject Paul entirely and he is the primary source in 2 Thessalonians discussing the antichrist as a specific person, a scion of lawlessness or some such that fairly well parallelizes the description of the Beast of the Sea in revelation.

Honestly, before I was an atheist, that's what I myself had been taught to believe: that a real person would rise up as "Antichrist", not just satisfying the trope of being opposite of Christ, living a profane existence, but doing so as the leader of the whole world and leading it to the apocalypse and subsequent triumphant return of 'jesus'.
 
Uh oh. Bomb#20 is now going to chastise you for being mean to Trumpers and Emily will quote you out of context to strawman you.
Any other threads you're spamming with disinformation about me and Emily I should keep an eye out for, or is this the only one?

Just like the the loss of a loved one, I'll have to persevere and learn to live with it.
Well, that depends on whether you wrote anything quite like what ZH wrote:

"Yes, the working class wants dumb and simple. That is quite clear. They want to be directed and told what to do, just like at their jobs. Little thought needed. Then after work kick back at the bar and toss back a few PBRs and complain about how the big bad guvmint is out to get them because the high taxes on their employers keeps them from getting bigger wages. Sorry. I don't kowtow to the ignorant."​

Judge for yourself whether "Trumpers" was an accurate statement of whom it was I chastised ZH for being mean to.
 
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