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Trump Fires Air Safety Experts - What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

I understand they estimate distance by looking at blinking light separation. Could it be that two jets were so perfectly aligned that their blinkers were so close that pilot took them as coming from a one very distant plane?
Of course blinking time must coincide too.
In any case, Tower clearly thought they were too close, that's why they were re-asking the pilot again.
They should have just told the pilot to divert immediately.
 
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Air Traffic Control is a critical responsibility of the Federal government. But mainly due to budget cuts, control towers are understaffed and controllers are fatigued. "A chronic shortage of air traffic controllers has forced many to work six-day weeks and 10-hour days." During the recent crash, one man was doing the jobs usually done by two.

But do not worry! Trump is on it. The day after the crash he issued an emergency order. By close of the business day, all FAA employees are required to remove pronouns from their .signatures.

I guess air travelers can breathe easier now.
 
I read in the news that there was only one air traffic controller doing the work that would normally be two. I don't know what's up with that.

But it is no OK for the Fascist Felon to go out there blaming before before the cause is determined. The guy will take any opportunity to blame his pet blamees without thought. And his cult followers will just believe him.

He blames Obama and Biden and DEI. He "forgets" that he was between the two.
Interesting how they're always saying "not all cops are bad!" and all of that nonsense, but whenever it comes to DEI or Palestinians, all of them are bad. And they'll also complain if you assume a mass shooter is a right winger, but they don't give a fuck if someone assumes an accident was caused by DEI.
 
The day after the crash he issued an emergency order. By close of the business day, all FAA employees are required to remove pronouns from their .signatures.
Y'know, I really thought/hoped for a second that you made that up -- even though it rings true to this idiot's MO. So I googled it, and, damn straight, he did it.
Perhaps it's time for MSNBC to use they/them for Trump, for two specific reasons: it comports with the willy-nilly, chaotic nature of Trump's brain, and, more important, it would make them insanely angry. "The President unleashed a flurry of tweets last night, attacking their enemies and promising that they would fire everyone who got in their way." That's the Trump we all know.
 
He blames Obama and Biden and DEI. He "forgets" that he was between the two.

And it turns out, Trump had a DEI program with the FAA. And he launched it.

The facts

In the news conference, Trump said Obama weakened standards and “I changed the Obama standards from very mediocre at best, to extraordinary. … Then they changed it back — that was Biden.”

Trump’s claim was repeated in an executive order Trump signed Thursday that ordered a review of aviation safety: “During my first term, my Administration raised standards to achieve the highest standards of safety and excellence.”

That’s false. In his first term, Trump left the standards unchanged.

For air traffic controllers, the Obama administration in 2013 instituted a new hiring system that introduced a biographical questionnaire to attract minorities, underrepresented in the controller corps. The program was criticized, such as in a Fox News report in 2015, as making it harder for more skilled applicants to get hired as controllers.

But Trump, in his first term, left the policy in place, leading to a class-action lawsuit filed in 2019 by Mountain States Legal Foundation. The case was due to go to trial this year.

Moreover, the FAA under Trump in 2019 launched a program to hire controllers using the very criteria he decried at his news conference.

“FAA Provides Aviation Careers to People with Disabilities,” the agency announced on April 11, 2019. The pilot program, the announcement said, would “identify specific opportunities for people with targeted disabilities, empower them and facilitate their entry into a more diverse and inclusive workforce.”

The link under “targeted disabilities” is now dead, but the Wayback Machine retains links from June 2017 and January 2021 that show the page was unchanged during Trump’s tenure. The list included:

Hearing (total deafness in both ears)
Vision (Blind)
Missing Extremities
Partial Paralysis
Complete Paralysis, Epilepsy
Severe intellectual disability
Psychiatric disability
Dwarfism

The June 2019 webpage for the Aviation Development Program (ADP) — also now removed but still visible on the Wayback Machine — said the program “provides an opportunity for Persons with Targeted Disabilities (PWTD) to gain aviation knowledge and experience as an air traffic control student trainee.” Participants would get up to one year of experience in an Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), with a possibility of getting a temporary appointment at the FAA Academy.

In August 2021, the FAA announced that one of the first three ADP candidates graduated from the FAA Academy and became an official air traffic control trainee. “Twelve candidates are in the pipeline for the ADP, pending completion of the clearance process,” the agency said. “Candidates must first pass the Air Traffic Skills Assessment (ATSA), followed by the security and medical clearance process.”

The announcement said the program was conceived when an air traffic manager met a quadriplegic student who had assumed he would never qualify to be a controller because of his condition. The FAA stressed that participants must meet the same qualifications as any other air traffic controller student.

A White House spokesman declined to comment.

This is so common for Trump and the right-wing in general. Blame others for things that they do themselves.

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Yes. It will take a real-life financial hit, directly attributable to The Asshole's policy playbook, to start to crack his popularity with the base.
 
The day after the crash he issued an emergency order. By close of the business day, all FAA employees are required to remove pronouns from their .signatures.
Y'know, I really thought/hoped for a second that you made that up -- even though it rings true to this idiot's MO. So I googled it, and, damn straight, he did it.
Perhaps it's time for MSNBC to use they/them for Trump, for two specific reasons: it comports with the willy-nilly, chaotic nature of Trump's brain, and, more important, it would make them insanely angry. "The President unleashed a flurry of tweets last night, attacking their enemies and promising that they would fire everyone who got in their way." That's the Trump we all know.
I am not sure it's wise to encourage Trump to use the royal "we".
 
So they say Helicopter was flying higher than it was allowed to at 120 meters wheres the limit was 60 meters.
That is some busy airport if during landing you can have helicopters only 60 meters below you.
 
So they say Helicopter was flying higher than it was allowed to at 120 meters wheres the limit was 60 meters.
That is some busy airport if during landing you can have helicopters only 60 meters below you.

If even true, I think the heights apply to locations, such as over the river. The helicopter flew from a military airfield, not the same location as the civilian airport. The flight paths are multi-dimensional, not a single axis and so the distance of 60 meters is only going to apply if the other coordinates are identical than height and to mitigate that the air traffic controller apparently told the pilot to avoid the plane....so even then, the expectation is that it would be further away than the 60 meters.

One factor not really being addressed because of the onslaught of Trumpist attacks, is that this was a night-time training exercise. This means the pilot may not have had a ton of experience flying at night. From NY Post:
Military aircraft have had a recent spate of crashes during training exercises.


Last year, four military helicopters conducting training missions ended in disaster, with a total of nine people dying as a result of those accidents.

Following that link, gives other examples of deadly training exercises.

It is politically correct to say "Thank you for your service" whenever you see a veteran. It is politically incorrect to question the capabilities of soldiers or question if the military is doing this wrong--i.e. just rushing the trainings, not taking care to go more slowly and carefully. Of course, Litler throwing wrenches into the system does not help either. And making up stories about DEI serves as a protection for Trump, cronies, and the military brass.
 
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One factor not really being addressed because of the onslaught of Trumpist attacks, is that this was a night-time training exercise. This means the pilot may not have had a ton of experience flying at night.
Except that it wasn't. It was an annual proficiency checkout - the pilot was an experienced and long term veteran of exactly this kind of flight, doing the kind of "training" we all have to do periodically to allow the boss to tick the box that says "This guy can still do the job he has been doing for the last X years".

Less cynically, it's supposed to be an opportunity for the instructor to note and give feedback on any minor bad habits the pilot may have fallen into.

The idea that, because it was a "training flight" we can infer an inexperienced pilot is typical of the kind of horseshit that the media generates to fill the 24-7 news cycle, in the absence of any actual new information. The 12th Aviation Battalion basically has only three categories of PAT (Priority Air Transport) flights: Carrying a VIP (typically high ranking officers, but also congressmen and top government officials); Relocation flights (going to collect a VIP, or returning to base afterwards); and Training (everything else).

The helicopter pilot was in his designated corridor, following all of the standard procedures correctly.

The problem being that it is standard procedure across the USA to allow pilots to visually separate from other traffic, even in busy Cat B airspace, and even at night.

This was an accident waiting to happen, and was due to deliberate policy decisions made by the US aviation industry as a whole (and still current).

Visual separation cannot work perfectly in any environment where it is possible for a pilot to misidentify which other aircraft is the one ATC are warning him about. It does work very well, but when it doesn't work, people die. It is a truly bad idea to use visual separation in a busy traffic environment (eg Cat B airspace); and an even worse idea to do so at night.

The USA got away with it for the last 16 years. But eventually that luck was bound to run out. Nobody directly involved did anything blameworthy - they all followed their procedures exactly as trained and documented. It is the procedure that is at fault.

Visual separation is less expensive than radar separation, both because it requires fewer ATCOs, and because it allows more aircraft movements in a given airspace. All systems balance cost against risk; and for sixteen years US ATC has been growing complacent about the risk of VS, because no serious crashes have occured, while the pressure on costs, and the pressure of work due to a shortage of ATCOs, has mounted.

VS works when there are two aircraft within visual range. If you can see another aircraft, and avoid it, then a vollision is impossible. But when there are three or more aircraft within visual range, how do you know that the one you are seeing and avoiding is the same one ATC wanted you to see and avoid? Typically US controllers distinguish aircraft by type in this scenario (and that happened here); A pilot should have no problem distinguishing an A380 from a Cessna 172. But who can tell the difference between a Bombadier CRJ and an Airbus A319 at night, just from looking it its lights?
 
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The helicopter pilot was in his designated corridor, following all of the standard procedures correctly.
it’s unclear this was true. Based on what I have heard there was supposed to be a 200 foot ceiling for the helicopter but the collision happened between 350-400 feet or so. Even the secretary of defense (FWIW) admitted there was an altitude issue and mistakes were made.
 



The helicopter pilot was in his designated corridor, following all of the standard procedures correctly.
it’s unclear this was true. Based on what I have heard there was supposed to be a 200 foot ceiling for the helicopter but the collision happened between 350-400 feet or so. Even the secretary of defense (FWIW) admitted there was an altitude issue and mistakes were made.
Politicians have to blame someone.

150-200ft vertical separation is woefully inadequate even in broad daylight. And as the CRJ was descending on final to RWY 33, its altitude was constantly reducing.

You can't safely duck a helicopter under a passenger jet on final approach. Not least because overflying a helicopter will cause a fixed-wing aircraft to be 'sucked' downwards - the rotor blades literally work by moving a huge volume of air downwards.

And the secretary of defense knows as much about this as my cat. Possibly a little less, as she is an expert at judging heights and distances. Did he wiggle his butt before commenting?
 



The helicopter pilot was in his designated corridor, following all of the standard procedures correctly.
it’s unclear this was true. Based on what I have heard there was supposed to be a 200 foot ceiling for the helicopter but the collision happened between 350-400 feet or so. Even the secretary of defense (FWIW) admitted there was an altitude issue and mistakes were made.
Politicians have to blame someone.

150-200ft vertical separation is woefully inadequate even in broad daylight.
This may be true but it would mean that the helicopter was not “following all the standard procedures correctly”.
 



The helicopter pilot was in his designated corridor, following all of the standard procedures correctly.
it’s unclear this was true. Based on what I have heard there was supposed to be a 200 foot ceiling for the helicopter but the collision happened between 350-400 feet or so. Even the secretary of defense (FWIW) admitted there was an altitude issue and mistakes were made.
Politicians have to blame someone.

150-200ft vertical separation is woefully inadequate even in broad daylight.
This may be true but it would mean that the helicopter was not “following all the standard procedures correctly”.
Not at all. It was correctly within its assigned airspace; And it was correctly maintaining Visual Separation from the aircraft that the chopper pilot had identified as its conflicting traffic.

He made a fatal error of fact, but not one for which he can reasonably be blamed. He made no procedural errors at all.

That helicopter transit corridor (Route 4) should not have been permitted for simultaneous use with landing operations on RWY33, because that simultaneous use has the potential for collision. But it was permitted, and had been for many years without serious incident.

The reason it was permitted is that VS is standard in US CatB airspace, even at night. That's a standard that was always a disaster waiting to happen, and it isn't permitted at all in European airspace.

The helicopter pilot, the CRJ pilot, and the ATCO were unlikely to have been involved in any way with the descision to permit VS under such circumstances. They all followed their procedures to the letter - or, to the extent that they did not, did nothing that would have plausibly changed the outcome of this incident.
 
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So they say Helicopter was flying higher than it was allowed to at 120 meters wheres the limit was 60 meters.
That is some busy airport if during landing you can have helicopters only 60 meters below you.
My nephew is an airline pilot. He flies in and out of that airport about once a month. He said it's kind of an odd airport because of the runway layouts.

His opinion was that it was pilot error on the airliner's part. Apparently, on takeoffs and landings the pilots are expected to keep their eyes out for exactly such things and to take steps to avoid it.

Basically it was no political party's fault. Shocking but true.
 
So they say Helicopter was flying higher than it was allowed to at 120 meters wheres the limit was 60 meters.
That is some busy airport if during landing you can have helicopters only 60 meters below you.
My nephew is an airline pilot. He flies in and out of that airport about once a month. He said it's kind of an odd airport because of the runway layouts.

His opinion was that it was pilot error on the airliner's part. Apparently, on takeoffs and landings the pilots are expected to keep their eyes out for exactly such things and to take steps to avoid it.

Basically it was no political party's fault. Shocking but true.
Not disagreeing, but a CRJ700 in landing configuration is a lot less nimble than a helicopter.

The duty to be observant is on every pilot, but the duty to avoid should be more heavily placed on the pilot of the aircraft most able to do it.
 
His opinion was that it was pilot error on the airliner's part. Apparently, on takeoffs and landings the pilots are expected to keep their eyes out for exactly such things and to take steps to avoid it.
How are the pilots of a CRJ supposed to see a helicopter that is below and ahead of them? There's a massive blind spot caused by the nose of the aircraft.

And the pilots of an aircraft on final in IFR airspace has a reasonable expectation that they have priority, and that the airspace and runway they are approaching has been cleared of traffic.

Of course they should still keep a lookout, but we cannot reasonably expect them to see such a hazard, particularly as their visual attention should be focussed on the runway at that point, and as it is a very busy time in the cockpit with plenty of other demands on their attention.

If see and avoid is the sole protection, it is manifestly inadequate; And in this case, the CRJ crew had no requirement to see and avoid - the helicopter pilot did, because he requested, and was granted, Visual Separation by ATC. Tragically, the helicopter pilot was not aware that the aircraft he could see, was not the one ATC were expecting him to avoid.
 
Basically it was no political party's fault. Shocking but true.
QFT.

The cause is structural problems with the regulation of Cat B airspace in the US.

Assignment of blame is not helpful, nor a focus of accident investigations; The purpose is to recommend ways to prevent a recurrence, not to find a scapegoat.

And until such preventative changes to US ATC procedures are implemented, another crash in similar circumstances is just a matter of time.
 
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