Trump: pull the US out of NATO?

[Jimmy Higgins]

And you proved it with such horseshit half-truth Russian apologia as "Russia did occupy Poland (and its parts Lithuania/Latvia) and Finland. But that because Poland and Sweden both were royal pain in the ass." Your response would be hilarious except it is painfully obvious you believe your moronic delusions.

I think they just want Alaska back. They screwed the pooch on that one and hate themselves for it.

I wouldn't say they screwed the pooch, they just didn't have the resources to hold onto Alaska.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

And you proved it with such horseshit half-truth Russian apologia as "Russia did occupy Poland (and its parts Lithuania/Latvia) and Finland. But that because Poland and Sweden both were royal pain in the ass." Your response would be hilarious except it is painfully obvious you believe your moronic delusions.

I think they just want Alaska back. They screwed the pooch on that one and hate themselves for it.

I wouldn't say they screwed the pooch, they just didn't have the resources to hold onto Alaska.

That's too bad. Imagine what they'd have been able to get away with if Sarah Palin hadn't been watching them from her porch.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

First of all, nobody is occupying Crimea, they had referendum and choose to leave Ukraine and go back to Russia (the referendum which they robbed of in 93-94 by Kiev). And second of all, NATO has occupied parts of Serbia for what? 20 years?

They didn't have anything like a fair vote on that referendum and the status quo wasn't even an option.

I heard you the first million times. your "argument" was and still is BS.
Why don't you suggest another "fair" referendum ?

1) Russia isn't exactly known for having fair elections. How could we trust it?

2) The fact that the original was rigged says all we need--Russia knew the people wouldn't vote for annexation.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What Russian aggression in Europe?

Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine?

Which Chechnya are we talking about here? 19 century? or soviet time when it was recognized as part of Russia?
Georgia? we have been over this, these republics left Georgia fair and square, and they have never been part of Independent Georgia in the first place.
Ukraine? again, there is only one agression there - NATO/West against Russia.
I asked laughable dog why would Great Britain occupy Crimea, he of course did not answer that question, probably because he was ignorant of that fact. I will ask you what the hell Great Britain was thinking when they invaded Crimea?

Again, you display utter ignorance of the facts and blindly repeat western propaganda lies.

All three are areas taken by the Russian armed forces. The forces in Ukraine pretended to be local rebels but that lie has been exposed by "rebels" showing up in Russian armed forces in other countries.

 

[barbos]

Which Chechnya are we talking about here? 19 century? or soviet time when it was recognized as part of Russia?
Georgia? we have been over this, these republics left Georgia fair and square, and they have never been part of Independent Georgia in the first place.
Ukraine? again, there is only one agression there - NATO/West against Russia.
I asked laughable dog why would Great Britain occupy Crimea, he of course did not answer that question, probably because he was ignorant of that fact. I will ask you what the hell Great Britain was thinking when they invaded Crimea?

Again, you display utter ignorance of the facts and blindly repeat western propaganda lies.

All three are areas taken by the Russian armed forces. The forces in Ukraine pretended to be local rebels but that lie has been exposed by "rebels" showing up in Russian armed forces in other countries.

Chechnya was a part of Russia

Georgia started that war and after they were pushed out of South Osettia and destroyed enough, russian troops left Georgia. It was a peace keeping operation. Georgia was a clear aggressor, even EU had to admit that.

Crimea: Russian troops were legally there, all they did was politely ask Ukrainian troops to leave and don't interfere with the referendum. And it's not like it happened in the vacuum. Government in Kiev was just overthrown in the violent coup and country was in chaos with all kind of armed people running around.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Which Chechnya are we talking about here? 19 century? or soviet time when it was recognized as part of Russia?
Georgia? we have been over this, these republics left Georgia fair and square, and they have never been part of Independent Georgia in the first place.
Ukraine? again, there is only one agression there - NATO/West against Russia.
I asked laughable dog why would Great Britain occupy Crimea, he of course did not answer that question, probably because he was ignorant of that fact. I will ask you what the hell Great Britain was thinking when they invaded Crimea?

Again, you display utter ignorance of the facts and blindly repeat western propaganda lies.

All three are areas taken by the Russian armed forces. The forces in Ukraine pretended to be local rebels but that lie has been exposed by "rebels" showing up in Russian armed forces in other countries.

Chechnya was a part of Russia

At one point it was. It left in the breakup. That doesn't give Moscow the right to take it by force.

Georgia started that war and after they were pushed out of South Osettia and destroyed enough, russian troops left Georgia. It was a peace keeping operation. Georgia was a clear aggressor, even EU had to admit that.

Russians started the war by attacking Georgia, pretending to be rebels. Same game as Ukraine.

Crimea: Russian troops were legally there, all they did was politely ask Ukrainian troops to leave and don't interfere with the referendum. And it's not like it happened in the vacuum. Government in Kiev was just overthrown in the violent coup and country was in chaos with all kind of armed people running around.

Ukraine threw out a Russian puppet, Russia reacted to their plans being thwarted with a fake rebellion.

 

[barbos]

Chechnya was a part of Russia

At one point it was. It left in the breakup. That doesn't give Moscow the right to take it by force.

They thought they could leave (they could not legally) and they half-de-facto left, I mean Moscow lost control. But then it became unsustainable for Russia to have criminal/terrorist republic and they restored control.

Georgia started that war and after they were pushed out of South Osettia and destroyed enough, russian troops left Georgia. It was a peace keeping operation. Georgia was a clear aggressor, even EU had to admit that.

Russians started the war by attacking Georgia, pretending to be rebels. Same game as Ukraine.

Complete and utter lie. EU admitted that Tbilissi started that war.

Crimea: Russian troops were legally there, all they did was politely ask Ukrainian troops to leave and don't interfere with the referendum. And it's not like it happened in the vacuum. Government in Kiev was just overthrown in the violent coup and country was in chaos with all kind of armed people running around.

Ukraine threw out a Russian puppet, Russia reacted to their plans being thwarted with a fake rebellion.

Complete and utter bullshit. It was a coup supported by ukrainian nationalists and western governments in which they failed to take control of wast chunks of the country. and it is no wonder when these idiots openly suggest hanging their opponents. Imagine if Trump suggested hanging mexican-americans?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

They thought they could leave (they could not legally) and they half-de-facto left, I mean Moscow lost control. But then it became unsustainable for Russia to have criminal/terrorist republic and they restored control.

Legal or not to leave doesn't change the reality--they left. Moscow thinks they have a right to take them by force. The world doesn't agree with that.

Russians started the war by attacking Georgia, pretending to be rebels. Same game as Ukraine.

Complete and utter lie. EU admitted that Tbilissi started that war.

What you are missing is that it was in response to Russian attacks.

Crimea: Russian troops were legally there, all they did was politely ask Ukrainian troops to leave and don't interfere with the referendum. And it's not like it happened in the vacuum. Government in Kiev was just overthrown in the violent coup and country was in chaos with all kind of armed people running around.

Ukraine threw out a Russian puppet, Russia reacted to their plans being thwarted with a fake rebellion.

Complete and utter bullshit. It was a coup supported by ukrainian nationalists and western governments in which they failed to take control of wast chunks of the country. and it is no wonder when these idiots openly suggest hanging their opponents. Imagine if Trump suggested hanging mexican-americans?

Even if true it has nothing to do with those fake rebels. Moscow loves fake rebels, when a rebellion asks for help from Moscow you can assume they really were acting at Moscow's behest all along. Especially in this case where that "rebel" leader was discovered to be a Russian general.

 

[barbos]

Legal or not to leave doesn't change the reality--they left. Moscow thinks they have a right to take them by force. The world doesn't agree with that.

Yes, they kinda left, but then they .... attacked Russia trying to get other parts of Russia to "leave". And their "kinda left" was no more.

Complete and utter lie. EU admitted that Tbilissi started that war.

What you are missing is that it was in response to Russian attacks.

Oh, I see you did read on the topic but still lie. No there were no russian attacks, there was the usual attack of "separatist" on georgian forces and Georgian forces on separatists. EU tried to blame Russia very hard and the best they could do was that.

Crimea: Russian troops were legally there, all they did was politely ask Ukrainian troops to leave and don't interfere with the referendum. And it's not like it happened in the vacuum. Government in Kiev was just overthrown in the violent coup and country was in chaos with all kind of armed people running around.

Ukraine threw out a Russian puppet, Russia reacted to their plans being thwarted with a fake rebellion.

Complete and utter bullshit. It was a coup supported by ukrainian nationalists and western governments in which they failed to take control of wast chunks of the country. and it is no wonder when these idiots openly suggest hanging their opponents. Imagine if Trump suggested hanging mexican-americans?

Even if true it has nothing to do with those fake rebels.

This is true, there were no rebels in Crimea, there was simply no need. It was so pro-russian that even Ukrainian nazis knew there is no point in going there and starting a mess. There was literally just a couple of cases of drunk maidan idiots trying to get to Crimea after the coup in Kiev, they were immediately beaten and sent back, long before the idea of taking back Crimea.
Everybody including you knows that. That's why you don't ever talk about conducting another (fair) referendum in Crimea.

Moscow loves fake rebels, when a rebellion asks for help from Moscow you can assume they really were acting at Moscow's behest all along. Especially in this case where that "rebel" leader was discovered to be a Russian general.

Bullshit, rebels in Eastern Ukraine are real. As real as as the ones who overthrew Yaniukovich.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yes, they kinda left, but then they .... attacked Russia trying to get other parts of Russia to "leave". And their "kinda left" was no more.

What you are missing is that it was in response to Russian attacks.

Oh, I see you did read on the topic but still lie. No there were no russian attacks, there was the usual attack of "separatist" on georgian forces and Georgian forces on separatists. EU tried to blame Russia very hard and the best they could do was that.

Crimea: Russian troops were legally there, all they did was politely ask Ukrainian troops to leave and don't interfere with the referendum. And it's not like it happened in the vacuum. Government in Kiev was just overthrown in the violent coup and country was in chaos with all kind of armed people running around.

Ukraine threw out a Russian puppet, Russia reacted to their plans being thwarted with a fake rebellion.

Complete and utter bullshit. It was a coup supported by ukrainian nationalists and western governments in which they failed to take control of wast chunks of the country. and it is no wonder when these idiots openly suggest hanging their opponents. Imagine if Trump suggested hanging mexican-americans?

Even if true it has nothing to do with those fake rebels.

This is true, there were no rebels in Crimea, there was simply no need. It was so pro-russian that even Ukrainian nazis knew there is no point in going there and starting a mess. There was literally just a couple of cases of drunk maidan idiots trying to get to Crimea after the coup in Kiev, they were immediately beaten and sent back, long before the idea of taking back Crimea.
Everybody including you knows that. That's why you don't ever talk about conducting another (fair) referendum in Crimea.

Moscow loves fake rebels, when a rebellion asks for help from Moscow you can assume they really were acting at Moscow's behest all along. Especially in this case where that "rebel" leader was discovered to be a Russian general.

Bullshit, rebels in Eastern Ukraine are real. As real as as the ones who overthrew Yaniukovich.

Is your name Baghdad Bob?

 

[barbos]

Is your name Baghdad Bob?

No, it's actually your name.

 

[ZiprHead]

Is your name Baghdad Bob?

No, it's actually your name.

Your real name is Loren Pechtel?