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These guys are definitely following their role model by the crotch grabbing. Just imagine how bad that will become if he's President.
 
This reminds me of the ambiguity of the word, "understand." If I say that I understand why a rapist kills his victim, I'm expressing comprehension, not that it's understandable (as if to express acceptance or approval).

That I grasp which way the dominoes will fall is understanding of the comprehension variety. When you open your mouth in an addreneline filled setting that any idiot knows will only serve to immediately infuriate others in that specific setting, then yes, it is wrong to have to suffer the consequences shoveled out by those that absolutely will not control their behavior in that setting of excitement and angst. So, although the dumbass doesn't deserve to have his ass handed to him, it doesn't take much to comprehend that things could most plausibly go in that direction.

Do I blame the victim? Well, I suppose that depends on just what that means. If you act like a shit and intentionally drive up the emotions of others with hopes of not expressing dissent but rather you're full only of hopes of riling up those around you, then although I do hold the opinion that no wrong doing would of come about had no such actions occurred, I nevertheless still maintain that the wrong doers should have restrained themselves, so even though I have the appearance of blaming the victim, you must acknowledge that I find fault in those that couldn't keep their hands to themselves.
 
fast said:
ronburgundy said:
They were not "incited to violence". They are violent criminals looking for any excuse to use violence against anyone that disagrees with them, which is exactly how Trump will use his office.

IF you tell me that you disagree with me, and I beat you to death, is it your fault for "inciting me to violence"?
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I would never disagree with you in a way that would provoke you. Laughing dog, however, enjoys my musings and I didn't want to let him down.

But yeah, the rowdy crowd could of turned the other cheek and didn't, but that should of been anticipated, just like police questioning should be anticipated when legally walking down the street with an assault rifle.

And we both should know he was doing more than just quietly holding a sign.
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Whether he should have anticipated the criminal violent reaction (one explicitly encouraged by Trump at prior rallies) is a completely separate question from whether their was anything ethically or legally wrong with his actions.

A gunman walks into a classroom you are teaching. If if you run you'll be safe, if you rush him to save the kids you'll "incite" him to try and shoot you.
By your reasoning, its wrong to do anything but run and save yourself.

Avoiding warning people about a very real mortal danger (e.g., a Trump presidency) just because the criminal assholes trying to bring that danger to fruition might beat you up for warning people isn't the "right" thing to do, just the cowardly and selfish thing to do.
 
fast said:
it doesn't take much to comprehend that things could most plausibly go in that direction.
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So fucking what if this guy might have expected the reaction? And maybe he did go there expecting it might happen? Anyone that attacks him is out of line, FULL STOP.

You can’t both be for free speech and against using it anywhere where anyone might possibly react violently to your free speech. Choose one or the other.
 
Elixir said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/05/polit...ally/?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion

Yes, you read that right. The deplorables grabbed him in the crotch.

Trump campaign:
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Surreal... I loved the picture of Twumpy Wumpy running away and ducking because someone held up a sign against him. Nice of him to treat us to a preview of how dissent will be managed should he become President. Express dissent, and you will be treated like an assassin.
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Going back to before the derail, this^^^ is what ought to be addressed. This is the sort of danger this country is in.
 
fast said:
laughing dog said:
If your point is that there is significant portion of Trumpites who are violent fuckwads, then thanks for pointing out the obvious. But that in no way excuses their behavior.
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Well, if you go looking for trouble, keep in mind that you just may find it. Thing is, these people know this, so it's a bit disingenuous to speak as if it's unexpected. There's a time and place for all things, and no one is going to berate others for speaking their mind, but there are some things you just don't do without expectation for backlash.

You want to speak ill of the dead; fine, but not at their funeral.
You want to tell a man his girls tits look nice, fine, but not in a bar when he's three sheets to the wind.
You want to voice a dissenting view against the one candidate that people look too for a chance to turn their country around, fine, but not as a douche bag amongst a highly ramped up crowd.
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Yes, we must always be mindful of the delicate sensitivities of teh trumpsuckers. Tell them they're really nice people and they're right about everything. If you don't really think they're right, just zip it until you get out of their earshot. No need to fuck with their precarious psychological balance - and what does that accomplish anyhow? All it does is provoke their violent emotional response, like it would with any other normal... three year old.
 
Play the tape of the agents running Orangey off the stage in a continuous loop -- it will show you how he would appear if he was taken off to the side every time he yowls out a lie. Time out for correction. On the upside, he'd lose some weight.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
A man, who later identified himself to reporters as Austyn Crites, was then immediately detained and led out by a throng of police officers, Secret Service agents and SWAT officers armed with assault rifles to a side room.

A law enforcement official later told CNN no charges were filed against Crites.

After he was released from custody, Crites told reporters the incident started off when he raised a "Republicans Against Trump" sign.
Crites said he was then assaulted by a group of people around him before anyone shouted anything about a gun.

"All of a sudden, because they couldn't grab the sign, or whatever happened, bam, I get tackled by all these people who were just, like, kicking me and grabbing me in the crotch and just, just beating the crap out of me," Crites said, according to KTNV. "And somebody yells something about a gun, and so that's when things really got out of hand."

The alleged assault against Crites is just the latest such incident to occur at a Trump rally, where other protesters have previously been roughed up.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/05/polit...ally/?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion

Yes, you read that right. The deplorables grabbed him in the crotch.

Trump campaign:
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I hope someone tweeted back at Jack/Donnie Junior and laughed at them for trying to make Trump look brave for being scared of a sign.
 
laughing dog said:
fast said:
It's not unwarranted. It takes a twisted individual to engage in such insanity, but be that as it may, I have no problem with others expressing dissent. Doing so with no couth, on the other hand, is something else entirely. Oh, I am not in any way expressing approval for how he was treated, but not having the foresight to bring his own band aids is his cluelessness, not mine.
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You are blaming the victim. One should not expect to be beaten in politely expressing silent dissent. This man did not deserve to be attacked even if someone could foresee the attack. To claim or imply otherwise is simply unacceptable in a civilized democracy.
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True.

The problem isn't with the man with the sign. The problem is with a group of people who feel they have the right to beat up a man with a sign.
 
Elixir said:
fast said:
Well, if you go looking for trouble, keep in mind that you just may find it. Thing is, these people know this, so it's a bit disingenuous to speak as if it's unexpected. There's a time and place for all things, and no one is going to berate others for speaking their mind, but there are some things you just don't do without expectation for backlash.

You want to speak ill of the dead; fine, but not at their funeral.
You want to tell a man his girls tits look nice, fine, but not in a bar when he's three sheets to the wind.
You want to voice a dissenting view against the one candidate that people look too for a chance to turn their country around, fine, but not as a douche bag amongst a highly ramped up crowd.
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Yes, we must always be mindful of the delicate sensitivities of teh trumpsuckers. Tell them they're really nice people and they're right about everything. If you don't really think they're right, just zip it until you get out of their earshot. No need to fuck with their precarious psychological balance - and what does that accomplish anyhow? All it does is provoke their violent emotional response, like it would with any other normal... three year old.
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An innocent man with purity in his heart and love for his fellow countrymen took it upon himself to assist in preserving the integrity of an aspect of the American political process by quietly warning a group of citizens of the potential dangers of voting for Trump by peacefully and civilly holding up a sign that merely read Republicans against Trump.

And look what happened. No evidence has come forward that indicates that the man was aggressive or disruptive or out to cause any trouble. And look what happened.

I guess I got it wrong. No provocation whatsoever. A bunch of people simply decided to attack the man. I guess they didn't like the message.
 
fast said:
I guess they didn't like the message.
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Ya think?
With your ability to divine what was in the heart of the "protester", I'd have thought you'd already know that.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
A man, who later identified himself to reporters as Austyn Crites, was then immediately detained and led out by a throng of police officers, Secret Service agents and SWAT officers armed with assault rifles to a side room.

A law enforcement official later told CNN no charges were filed against Crites.

After he was released from custody, Crites told reporters the incident started off when he raised a "Republicans Against Trump" sign.
Crites said he was then assaulted by a group of people around him before anyone shouted anything about a gun.

"All of a sudden, because they couldn't grab the sign, or whatever happened, bam, I get tackled by all these people who were just, like, kicking me and grabbing me in the crotch and just, just beating the crap out of me," Crites said, according to KTNV. "And somebody yells something about a gun, and so that's when things really got out of hand."

The alleged assault against Crites is just the latest such incident to occur at a Trump rally, where other protesters have previously been roughed up.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/05/polit...ally/?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion

Yes, you read that right. The deplorables grabbed him in the crotch.

Trump campaign:
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Sorry, Mr. Posobiec, what "assassination attempt"?

Don't you mean, "false alarm"?
 
Brave Sir Donald ran away
Bravely ran away away
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Sir Donald turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Sir Donald!


(apologies to Eric Idle)
 
Elixir said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/05/polit...ally/?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion

Yes, you read that right. The deplorables grabbed him in the crotch.

Trump campaign:
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Surreal... I loved the picture of Twumpy Wumpy running away and ducking because someone held up a sign against him. Nice of him to treat us to a preview of how dissent will be managed should he become President. Express dissent, and you will be treated like an assassin.
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I don't think security can ever take a chance when something odd happens even if it is not perceived as a threat. This applies to all parties and standard security procedure.
The man with a sign (waving of pointing it) or suddenly opening a newspapersign is one form of distraction while another pulls a gun or attacks the person. This sort of thing is not unknown of. The Philippines is one example
 
It almost makes one feel nostalgic for the days when if someone carried a semi automatic rifle to a political rally, the mere thought of being detained was considered excessive abuse of power. Imagine if that happened at a Trump rally.
 
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