Trump Seizes TIME Person of the Year Honors

[zorq]

Do you remember a 14 year old girl named Soph who was a youtbe star and leftists called for her death?

An 8 year old girl who went by "Mini AOC" did AOC impressions was also doxxed and threatened by the left and her parents had to take down her youtube account for fear of death.

Both of these girls are younger than Greta. But, somehow Trump is the ass for attacking Greta, but leftists get a pass on attacking even younger girls.

When are you going to figure out that bad behavior is bad no ,matter WHO does it?

Really this is something you should have learned in kindergarten.

Just because someone else does something bad doesn't make the bad things Trump does any less bad.

Plus he's the fucking president! You shouldn't have to compare him against the worst examples you can find to make him look good. A president should look good in every conceivable context. It is quite telling that you have to stoop so low to find a favorable comparison for Trump.

 

[Half-Life]

Do you remember a 14 year old girl named Soph who was a youtbe star and leftists called for her death?

An 8 year old girl who went by "Mini AOC" did AOC impressions was also doxxed and threatened by the left and her parents had to take down her youtube account for fear of death.

Both of these girls are younger than Greta. But, somehow Trump is the ass for attacking Greta, but leftists get a pass on attacking even younger girls.

When are you going to figure out that bad behavior is bad no ,matter WHO does it?

Really this is something you should have learned in kindergarten.

Just because someone else does something bad doesn't make the bad things Trump does any less bad.

Plus he's the fucking president! You shouldn't have to compare him against the worst examples you can find to make him look good. A president should look good in every conceivable context. It is quite telling that you have to stoop so low to find a favorable comparison for Trump.

Do you understand that leftists can't get mad at Trump for attacking Greta when leftists attacked even younger girls and threatened her death?? Trump didn't even call her for death!

Leftists are hypocrites here.

 

[Ford]

Greta is doing quite a bit to fight global warming.

She's triggered a whole lot of snowflakes.

I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitresses.

 

[zorq]

Do you understand that leftists can't get mad at Trump for attacking Greta when leftists attacked even younger girls and threatened her death?? Trump didn't even call her for death!

Leftists are hypocrites here.

Do you understand that "Leftists" aren't a hive mind of boogiemen? That people are individuals? That "Leftists" didn't do the bad things you accuse them of but rather that SOME individuals who generally adhere to SOME leftist ideologies did the bad things you accuse them of?

Do you think that when David Duke votes a straight Republican ticket and then in the same breath denies the NAZI-Jewish holocaust that makes all "Rightists" holocaust deniers? No? Then why are so willing to make the same stupid mistake with "Leftists?"

 

[Half-Life]

Greta is doing quite a bit to fight global warming.

She's triggered a whole lot of snowflakes.

I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitresses.

She's not doing anything to fight global warming. She's going around and telling us to listen to the scientists (appeal to authority fallacy) while being caught using single use plastic bottles.

 

[Half-Life]

Do you understand that leftists can't get mad at Trump for attacking Greta when leftists attacked even younger girls and threatened her death?? Trump didn't even call her for death!

Leftists are hypocrites here.

Do you understand that "Leftists" aren't a hive mind of boogiemen? That people are individuals? That "Leftists" didn't do the bad things you accuse them of but rather that SOME individuals who generally adhere to SOME leftist ideologies did the bad things you accuse them of?

Do you think that when David Duke votes a straight Republican ticket and then in the same breath denies the NAZI-Jewish holocaust that makes all "Rightists" holocaust deniers? No? Then why are so willing to make the same stupid mistake with "Leftists?"

But your side does the same thing. "Conservatives suck! They all worship Trump!"

 

[Patooka]

Do you understand that leftists can't get mad at Trump for attacking Greta when leftists attacked even younger girls and threatened her death?? Trump didn't even call her for death!

Leftists are hypocrites here.

Do you understand that "Leftists" aren't a hive mind of boogiemen? That people are individuals? That "Leftists" didn't do the bad things you accuse them of but rather that SOME individuals who generally adhere to SOME leftist ideologies did the bad things you accuse them of?

Do you think that when David Duke votes a straight Republican ticket and then in the same breath denies the NAZI-Jewish holocaust that makes all "Rightists" holocaust deniers? No? Then why are so willing to make the same stupid mistake with "Leftists?"

But your side does the same thing. "Conservatives suck! They all worship Trump!"

Moore-Coulter. You are the only person who has used random anonymous youtube comments to smear an entire ideology. Nobody else has tried such a dishonest argument.

 

[zorq]

Do you understand that leftists can't get mad at Trump for attacking Greta when leftists attacked even younger girls and threatened her death?? Trump didn't even call her for death!

Leftists are hypocrites here.

Do you understand that "Leftists" aren't a hive mind of boogiemen? That people are individuals? That "Leftists" didn't do the bad things you accuse them of but rather that SOME individuals who generally adhere to SOME leftist ideologies did the bad things you accuse them of?

Do you think that when David Duke votes a straight Republican ticket and then in the same breath denies the NAZI-Jewish holocaust that makes all "Rightists" holocaust deniers? No? Then why are so willing to make the same stupid mistake with "Leftists?"

But your side does the same thing. "Conservatives suck! They all worship Trump!"

You have just made the exact same two mistakes I JUST called you out on. I would compliment you on how efficiently you have done so, but this isn't actually a good thing.

Maybe repetition can help you to learn something. So AGAIN...
1. All bad behavior is bad behavior. Calling out bad behavior is not a problem. It does not matter who is calling out the bad behavior or who is doing the bad behavior.
2. You can't blame an entire group of people for the actions of a subset of that group.

Do you actually disagree with either of these points?

 

[Elixir]

After all, just like Trump, other bigoted, criminal fascists like Hitler, Stalin, and Putin were also named Time's Person of the Year.

And your point is? Those are exactly the kind of "Strong Leaders" Trump wishes he was. He lives in perpetual butthurt because they won't let him in the real Kleptocrat Klub, which is populated by people who like Trump, steal money. But unlike Trump they are not so inept as to lose more than they can steal. That way they can afford to buy fun toys like the Donald the Trump lifesize action figure, pre-programmed by massive debt, to respond to their whims.

 

[ZiprHead]

Do you remember a 14 year old girl named Soph who was a youtbe star and leftists called for her death?

An 8 year old girl who went by "Mini AOC" did AOC impressions was also doxxed and threatened by the left and her parents had to take down her youtube account for fear of death.

Both of these girls are younger than Greta. But, somehow Trump is the ass for attacking Greta, but leftists get a pass on attacking even younger girls.

When are you going to figure out that bad behavior is bad no ,matter WHO does it?

Really this is something you should have learned in kindergarten.

Just because someone else does something bad doesn't make the bad things Trump does any less bad.

Plus he's the fucking president! You shouldn't have to compare him against the worst examples you can find to make him look good. A president should look good in every conceivable context. It is quite telling that you have to stoop so low to find a favorable comparison for Trump.

Do you understand that leftists can't get mad at Trump for attacking Greta when leftists attacked even younger girls and threatened her death?? Trump didn't even call her for death!

Leftists are hypocrites here.

Do you understand that not all leftists are the same. Your constant use of identity politics is boring.

The fact that Jolly Penguin and Metaphor never call you out on it is quite telling also.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Greta is doing quite a bit to fight global warming.

She's triggered a whole lot of snowflakes.

I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitresses.

I don’t tip. It results in carbon emissions.

 

[Keith&Co.]

She's not doing anything to fight global warming. She's going around and telling us to listen to the scientists (appeal to authority fallacy)

Actually, appealing to authority is not a fallacy. That's exactly the reason we HAVE authorities, experts with expertise.
The fallacy is appealing to one's respect for authority figures. Using someone to validate an opinion outside of their area of expertise.

Like, if there is a question on physics, and you quote Einstein, you're not committing a fallacy.
If you quote Einstein's opinion on art, though, the fact that Einstein is such an Einstein in physics doesn't make him an art expert. You're just using his celebrity status as a smart guy to endorse a separate idea.

 

[Half-Life]

She's not doing anything to fight global warming. She's going around and telling us to listen to the scientists (appeal to authority fallacy)

Actually, appealing to authority is not a fallacy. That's exactly the reason we HAVE authorities, experts with expertise.
The fallacy is appealing to one's respect for authority figures. Using someone to validate an opinion outside of their area of expertise.

Like, if there is a question on physics, and you quote Einstein, you're not committing a fallacy.
If you quote Einstein's opinion on art, though, the fact that Einstein is such an Einstein in physics doesn't make him an art expert. You're just using his celebrity status as a smart guy to endorse a separate idea.

You might want to look up the fallacy, Keith.

An appeal to authority fallacy is saying, "The Big Bang is true because Stephen Hawking said so" or "Evolution is true because Richard Dawkins said so" or "Climate change is real because the scientists say so."

You have to actually cite the evidence, not just the person. It has nothing to do with being outside an area of expertise.

 

[Keith&Co.]

She's not doing anything to fight global warming. She's going around and telling us to listen to the scientists (appeal to authority fallacy)

Actually, appealing to authority is not a fallacy. That's exactly the reason we HAVE authorities, experts with expertise.
The fallacy is appealing to one's respect for authority figures. Using someone to validate an opinion outside of their area of expertise.

Like, if there is a question on physics, and you quote Einstein, you're not committing a fallacy.
If you quote Einstein's opinion on art, though, the fact that Einstein is such an Einstein in physics doesn't make him an art expert. You're just using his celebrity status as a smart guy to endorse a separate idea.

You might want to look up the fallacy, Keith.

An appeal to authority fallacy is saying, "The Big Bang is true because Stephen Hawking said so" or "Evolution is true because Richard Dawkins said so" or "Climate change is real because the scientists say so."

You have to actually cite the evidence, not just the person. It has nothing to do with being outside an area of expertise.

Okay. But that is not what you said Greta is doing.

She is saying, listen to the experts. They do throw out all sorts of evidence. "Climate change is true because (charts, numbers, graphs)."
She is not saying, CC is true because there are experts. So where is her fallacy?

 

[Ford]

You might want to look up the fallacy, Keith.

An appeal to authority fallacy is saying, "The Big Bang is true because Stephen Hawking said so" or "Evolution is true because Richard Dawkins said so" or "Climate change is real because the scientists say so."

You have to actually cite the evidence, not just the person. It has nothing to do with being outside an area of expertise.

Okay. But that is not what you said Greta is doing.

She is saying, listen to the experts. They do throw out all sorts of evidence. "Climate change is true because (charts, numbers, graphs)."
She is not saying, CC is true because there are experts. So where is her fallacy?

It's fascinating how the minds of religious people work. On the one hand they say "just because an authority figure says it, doesn't mean it's true," then turn around and lean on the authority of their holy book or church as if it were not just truth, but the only truth.

I'm in the middle of a discussion about Greta on the Facebook with a very religious friend. His argument? She's being "used" and "manipulated" and anyone who doesn't see it is naive. I've repeatedly asked him to back up his claim with evidence, but to no avail. Climate change is a lie, and anyone who doesn't see it is complicit in a giant conspiracy to hide the "real truth," whatever that is.

Yes, Greta is saying listen to the experts. But don't you see? The experts are all wrong! The Bible/my pastor/my church said so last Sunday! I'm not appealing to authority, it's just God's honest truth!

 

[bilby]

She's not doing anything to fight global warming. She's going around and telling us to listen to the scientists (appeal to authority fallacy)

Actually, appealing to authority is not a fallacy. That's exactly the reason we HAVE authorities, experts with expertise.
The fallacy is appealing to one's respect for authority figures. Using someone to validate an opinion outside of their area of expertise.

Like, if there is a question on physics, and you quote Einstein, you're not committing a fallacy.
If you quote Einstein's opinion on art, though, the fact that Einstein is such an Einstein in physics doesn't make him an art expert. You're just using his celebrity status as a smart guy to endorse a separate idea.

You might want to look up the fallacy, Keith.

An appeal to authority fallacy is saying, "The Big Bang is true because Stephen Hawking said so" or "Evolution is true because Richard Dawkins said so" or "Climate change is real because the scientists say so."

You have to actually cite the evidence, not just the person. It has nothing to do with being outside an area of expertise.

One of these things is not like the others.

"the scientists" isn't an authority; It's a consensus of experts. Deferring to A scientist is fallacious; Deferring to the scientists is not. As long as they are scientists in the relevant field.

 

[Gun Nut]

The obvious error being made is that while simply saying something does not make it true regardless of the speaker's celebrity, it also does not make it false.
I can declare that 1 + 1 = 2. I can also claim it is "because I just know it is". That does not make it false.
One, to be honest, must ask WHY someone says it's so. I say 1 + 1 = 2 is so because math experts can prove that is true, and I trust the math experts to be able to "show their work".
Similarly, we do not just automatically believe that what a large group of scientists agree to be true is actually true because authority... it is because of their known methodology whereby we can "check their work". Scientists are trustworthy because they expect to be challenged and can prove their statements.
This is not an appeal to authority, this is "trust but verify".

 

[Elixir]

The obvious error being made is that while simply saying something does not make it true regardless of the speaker's celebrity, it also does not make it false.
I can declare that 1 + 1 = 2. I can also claim it is "because I just know it is". That does not make it false.
One, to be honest, must ask WHY someone says it's so. I say 1 + 1 = 2 is so because math experts can prove that is true, and I trust the math experts to be able to "show their work".
Similarly, we do not just automatically believe that what a large group of scientists agree to be true is actually true because authority... it is because of their known methodology whereby we can "check their work". Scientists are trustworthy because they expect to be challenged and can prove their statements.
This is not an appeal to authority, this is "trust but verify".

Right. Repeatable observations are the solid underpinning of scientific "findings'. But climate systems are stochastic, and dishonest brokers can always find or manufacture data sub-sets that will look like they conform to whatever their conclusion they desire. That's how "climate skeptics" operate, and it's how they keep lying about the accuracy of IPCC projections (for one example).

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Right. Repeatable observations are the solid underpinning of scientific "findings'. But climate systems are stochastic, and dishonest brokers can always find or manufacture data sub-sets that will look like they conform to whatever their conclusion they desire. That's how "climate skeptics" operate, and it's how they keep lying about the accuracy of IPCC projections (for one example).

Besides, many of their claims are based on measuring errors. (For example, a satellite where they forgot to figure the effects of the atmosphere slowly dragging it down. This caused it to report a too-low temperature. When they realized the problem it was easy enough to fix--the raw data was fine, it's just the orbital height was part of the calculation that converted that raw data into a temperature.)