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Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

I'm picturing a day when I can leave my home, go out to work, do some shopping, browse a bookstore or catch a couple of games of bowling, then come home to my (immuno-compromised) wife.

Before I leave, home I need to take a test. The test has to be nearly 100% reliable, able to be performed by clueless yours-truly, and report the results immediately. I can't just take a test when I feel sick, because I can have the virus for several days while asymptomatic. Otherwise I might infect my coworkers.

But what if I pick up the virus from someone else at work? Then I should test myself before leaving work and going to the bookstore.

But what if I pick up the virus at the bookstore. I should test myself once more before leaving for the bowling alley, and I should test myself before going home. If I bring the virus home to my wife, then she's a Dead Woman Walking.

One normal day, four tests, just for me.

I don't know what's the answer.
I don't think you can detect contraction of the disease anywhere near that quickly.

Well isn't that part of the problem? That I'm spreading it everywhere I go, even if there is a fast-and-easy test at every doorway?

So let's say I take a test this morning and it comes back negative. Am I free to go to work, the bookstore, and back home, with no chance of infecting anyone else?
 
I'm picturing a day when I can leave my home, go out to work, do some shopping, browse a bookstore or catch a couple of games of bowling, then come home to my (immuno-compromised) wife.

Before I leave, home I need to take a test. The test has to be nearly 100% reliable, able to be performed by clueless yours-truly, and report the results immediately. I can't just take a test when I feel sick, because I can have the virus for several days while asymptomatic. Otherwise I might infect my coworkers.

But what if I pick up the virus from someone else at work? Then I should test myself before leaving work and going to the bookstore.

But what if I pick up the virus at the bookstore. I should test myself once more before leaving for the bowling alley, and I should test myself before going home. If I bring the virus home to my wife, then she's a Dead Woman Walking.

One normal day, four tests, just for me.

I don't know what's the answer.
I don't think you can detect contraction of the disease anywhere near that quickly.

Well isn't that part of the problem? That I'm spreading it everywhere I go, even if there is a fast-and-easy test at every doorway?

So let's say I take a test this morning and it comes back negative. Am I free to go to work, the bookstore, and back home, with no chance of infecting anyone else?

You coupled with everyone else. The people who work and go to the book store also need to know that they are not carrying C19.

The whole point is to find people who have it before they can go out infecting others.
 
I'm picturing a day when I can leave my home, go out to work, do some shopping, browse a bookstore or catch a couple of games of bowling, then come home to my (immuno-compromised) wife.

Before I leave, home I need to take a test. The test has to be nearly 100% reliable, able to be performed by clueless yours-truly, and report the results immediately. I can't just take a test when I feel sick, because I can have the virus for several days while asymptomatic. Otherwise I might infect my coworkers.

But what if I pick up the virus from someone else at work? Then I should test myself before leaving work and going to the bookstore.

But what if I pick up the virus at the bookstore. I should test myself once more before leaving for the bowling alley, and I should test myself before going home. If I bring the virus home to my wife, then she's a Dead Woman Walking.

One normal day, four tests, just for me.

I don't know what's the answer.
I don't think you can detect contraction of the disease anywhere near that quickly.

Well isn't that part of the problem? That I'm spreading it everywhere I go, even if there is a fast-and-easy test at every doorway?

So let's say I take a test this morning and it comes back negative. Am I free to go to work, the bookstore, and back home, with no chance of infecting anyone else?
But what about the economy?! Why are you being so selfish?! If you don't want to risk the health of the ones you care about or work with or pass on the sidewalk, then stay home and let True Americans get America back to being great again!

Look America has had it with science. It's time to going back and remembering we didn't do well in science because it was stupid and we didn't need it in real life! MAGA! *croak*
 
Well isn't that part of the problem? That I'm spreading it everywhere I go, even if there is a fast-and-easy test at every doorway?

So let's say I take a test this morning and it comes back negative. Am I free to go to work, the bookstore, and back home, with no chance of infecting anyone else?

You coupled with everyone else. The people who work and go to the book store also need to know that they are not carrying C19.

The whole point is to find people who have it before they can go out infecting others.
But his point is, yes, testing can find people that will test positive for the disease, but unless we test everyone, all the time, the bugger is going to spread. I believe the EPL (English Premier League) determined it'd cost 300,000 pounds a week to test twice a week. And apparently the EPL has just received the Green Light for maybe restarting on June 1st.

I just don't see how it'll work, as one contraction can doom a team.
 
Yes almost not possible. Hence the need for contact tracing.

I wonder if Trump will learn a thing from this? Probably not given the last line in the quoted section.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/11/politics/katie-miller-contract-tracing-coronavirus/index.html

Washington (CNN)Trump administration officials spent the weekend scrambling as they attempted to do contact tracing for Katie Miller, Vice President Mike Pence's press secretary who tested positive for coronavirus last week.
But they had not identified who Miller contracted the virus from as of Sunday, raising concerns inside the White House about how to contain the outbreak.

Some aides expressed concern at how Monday would proceed without greater clarity on how the virus had originated and spread. One official said it wasn't certain which colleagues would stay home. Some officials who had extended contact with Miller announced they would self-quarantine, while others who had similar contact with her did not.

In conversations this weekend, Trump has expressed concern that aides contracting coronavirus would undercut his message that the outbreak is waning and states should begin reopening, according to a person who spoke with him.
 
I wonder if Trump will learn a thing from this? Probably not given the last line in the quoted section.

In conversations this weekend, Trump has expressed concern that aides contracting coronavirus would undercut his message that the outbreak is waning and states should begin reopening, according to a person who spoke with him.
Baghdad Bob on tv saying there are no tanks in Baghdad as we see tanks driving past behind him.
 
Well isn't that part of the problem? That I'm spreading it everywhere I go, even if there is a fast-and-easy test at every doorway?

So let's say I take a test this morning and it comes back negative. Am I free to go to work, the bookstore, and back home, with no chance of infecting anyone else?

You coupled with everyone else. The people who work and go to the book store also need to know that they are not carrying C19.

The whole point is to find people who have it before they can go out infecting others.
But his point is, yes, testing can find people that will test positive for the disease, but unless we test everyone, all the time, the bugger is going to spread. I believe the EPL (English Premier League) determined it'd cost 300,000 pounds a week to test twice a week. And apparently the EPL has just received the Green Light for maybe restarting on June 1st.

I just don't see how it'll work, as one contraction can doom a team.

Sports leagues need to develop very secure full head mask-helmets.
 
But his point is, yes, testing can find people that will test positive for the disease, but unless we test everyone, all the time, the bugger is going to spread. I believe the EPL (English Premier League) determined it'd cost 300,000 pounds a week to test twice a week. And apparently the EPL has just received the Green Light for maybe restarting on June 1st.

I just don't see how it'll work, as one contraction can doom a team.

Sports leagues need to develop very secure full head mask-helmets.
So then the solution is pretty simple... everyone gets a luge helmet.
 
But his point is, yes, testing can find people that will test positive for the disease, but unless we test everyone, all the time, the bugger is going to spread. I believe the EPL (English Premier League) determined it'd cost 300,000 pounds a week to test twice a week. And apparently the EPL has just received the Green Light for maybe restarting on June 1st.

I just don't see how it'll work, as one contraction can doom a team.

Sports leagues need to develop very secure full head mask-helmets.

Sarcasm noted.

Fauci had some thoughts on football in the U.S. resuming. Too bad our president is a moron.
 
South Korea sends 2M masks to US to fight coronavirus | TheHill

Harry Harris on Twitter: "A BIG thank you to ROK and @TheBlueHouseKR for providing 2 million face masks to @fema. Our alliance and friendship are as vital and ironclad today as it was 70 years ago. #ThankYouROK #WeAreInThisTogether https://t.co/ECdBEKeMaO" / Twitter

How a small state built a mammoth PPE supply chain from China | TheHill - New Hampshire

The 8 key provisions expected in Democrats' next COVID-19 bill | TheHill
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Democrats are charging ahead this week with the next round of emergency coronavirus relief — another massive, multitrillion-dollar package designed to buttress the economy against the devastating pandemic.

The enormous bill — the fifth legislative response to COVID-19 — could arrive as early as Monday or Tuesday, according to Democratic aides. That sets the stage for a House vote as soon as Friday, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) has said.

...
But with House Democrats taking the first crack at this latest round of relief — without any GOP input — the proposal is expected to feature a host of additional provisions, excluded from earlier bills, to act as a values statement heading into negotiations with Republicans in the Senate and White House. And Pelosi is urging Democrats not to be shy about their suggested add-ons.
  1. State and local help
  2. Rent and mortgage assistance
  3. Cash payments - something like $2000/month
  4. Help for workers and businesses
  5. Broadband - to rural, low-income, other vulnerable communities
  6. Testing, tracing, treatment
  7. Postal service
  8. Nutrition programs
 
  1. State and local help
  2. Rent and mortgage assistance
  3. Cash payments - something like $2000/month
  4. Help for workers and businesses
  5. Broadband - to rural, low-income, other vulnerable communities
  6. Testing, tracing, treatment
  7. Postal service
  8. Nutrition programs
We can't pay out trillions upon trillions. We will at some point need means testing. People who are employed can't continue to get money. Initially to get payments out there wasn't time, so one size fits all. We need something that can adapt at this point... of course, DC is way behind the curve here and reacting instead of leading... so we then fall back into the "we don't have time to check who needs help".

We're screwed, aren't we.
 
Big-Money snouts in the trough:

Daniel Marans on Twitter: "New: Members of Congress from both parties asked the Federal Reserve to bail out unregulated lenders. ..." / Twitter
New: Members of Congress from both parties asked the Federal Reserve to bail out unregulated lenders. They all received contributions from the lenders' trade group. https://huffpost.com/entry/wall-str...18fc5b61fe0f57bbc25?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004 via @HuffPostPol

“It’s bad on the substance to have the Federal Reserve be lending to subprime consumer and small business lenders. It doesn’t look good when the members asking for that kind of bailout for these companies are also funded by those predatory lenders," @steelewheelz

The Federal Reserve revived a financial crisis-era program designed to bail out consumer lenders that are not banks.

14 House Financial Services Committee members asked for it to be expanded to loans issued by "installment" and fintech lenders. https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/athena/files/2

Some of those institutions are reputable but many others are "payday lenders by another name" -- slightly better than payday lenders, but not much.

After reaching out to all 14 House members, I got a call from a fintech lobbyist who'd been tipped off about my story. He said the "investment-grade" asset-backed securities they want bailed out by the Fed are not usurious...

... But curiously, the letter's authors jettisoned a proposal to restrict the Fed bailout to loans capped at 36% interest rates.

“The 36% rate cap should have been applied,” said a House aide.

Here's a rundown of how much the American Financial Services Association, which represents installment lenders -- aka payday lending lite -- gave to the members of Congress who authored the letter (just this cycle).
(the campaign contributions...)

Missouri Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer, the top Republican on the subcommittee for consumer protection, is a big recipient of campaign cash from World Finance, one of the most notorious installment lenders. More on them here: https://www.propublica.org/article/installment-loans-world-finance

Another concern is that private equity is increasingly involved in the installment lending industry, meaning Fed money could go to cash-rich PE portfolios.

That includes OneMain Financial, the biggest installment lender in the country, owned by Apollo Global Management.

The co-founder of Apollo Global, his wife and his employees are all big donors to Rep. Josh Gottheimer, the NJ Democrat who co-chairs the Problem Solvers Caucus.

Gottheimer was on the letter too of course.

@sludge's @donnydonny reported on Gottheimer and the Problem Solvers Caucus's ties to Rowan and Apollo first for @theprospect: https://prospect.org/politics/centrist-democrat-backs-bailout-plan-pushed-by-private-equity/

The Times wrote about it on Wednesday: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/business/private-equity-coronavirus-relief.html

“The Fed and the Small Business Administration should do everything they can to stop private equity from getting access to taxpayer funding, as private equity funds will use that funding to lay people off and buy themselves more private jets,” @matthewstoller.
 
Wall Street-Friendly Lawmakers Sought Bailout For Shady Lenders | HuffPost - "All 14 House members involved have received campaign contributions from the lenders."
A bipartisan group of House Financial Services Committee members asked the Federal Reserve in an April letter to extend an emergency loan program to a host of controversial financial firms that offer high-interest loans to low-income Americans.

In other words, firms that offer Americans high-interest loans want a low-cost loan from the government.

All 14 signatories of the April letter are recipients of campaign contributions this election cycle from the political action committee of the American Financial Services Association, or AFSA, which represents subprime lenders’ interests in Washington.
The letter itself: Microsoft Word - 03.25.20 Term Asset Lending Facility (TALF) 2020 Letter FRB Comments.docx - 5eb30d3bc5b652c56471c9f6.pdf

Here are the politicians who signed that letter. Every one of them, except maybe the last in the list, is a member of the House Financial Services Committee. I'm sure that their paymasters are pleased with how they have attempted to deliver for those paymasters.

Bill Foster (D-IL-11), Barry Loudermilk (R-GA-11), Ed Perlmutter (D-CO-07), Blaine Luetkemeyer (R, MO-03), Jim Himes (D-CT-04), Scott Tipton (R-CO-03), Denny Heck (D-WA-10), Lee Zeldin (R-NY-01), Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ-05), Warren Davidson (R-OH-08), Vicente Gonzalez (D-TX-15), Denver Riggleman (D-VA-05), Jennifer Wexton (D-VA-10), William R. Timmons IV (R-SC-04)

The 182 Percent Loan: How Installment Lenders Put… — ProPublica - "Many people know the dangers of payday loans. But "installment loans" also have sky-high rates and work by getting borrowers — usually poor — to renew over and over. We take you inside one of the biggest installment lenders, billion-dollar World Finance."

Centrist Democrat Backs Bailout Plan Pushed by His Private Equity Donors - The American Prospect - "New Jersey Representative Josh Gottheimer is backing a plan from one of his top private equity donors to expand a Federal Reserve bailout program."

Private Equity, Lobbying the U.S. for Help, Is Mostly Hearing ‘No’ - The New York Times - "As the government rolls out trillions of dollars in emergency stimulus funds, a push by the industry has met with only modest success."
 
It looks more and more like Fauci is the person the United States trusts. I wonder if Trump would even dare to fire him now.
I'm sure he's just waiting for an excuse. Not because Fauci did anything wrong, Trump just doesn't like anyone else getting the spotlight.
 
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