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but they are all Republicans trying to rig it in Trump's (Republican) favor.

A Federal Court Orders Wisconsin to Stop Suppressing the Vote

The Nation published an exclusive story showing how the DMV in Wisconsin was systematically failing to provide the voter IDs required to cast a ballot this election. We told the story of two African-American voters, Zack Moore and Claudell Boyd, who brought multiple documents with them to the DMV confirming their identities but were still turned away without the necessary voter ID. Recordings from the DMV provided to The Nation detailed how Moore and Boyd were not offered certificates for voting within six business days, as required by Wisconsin law.
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Wisconsin is not the first state to disregard a court order to make it easier to vote. Texas issued misleading information after the US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit ordered the state to soften its voter-ID law and counties in North Carolina cut early voting after the Fourth Circuit restored early voting days. Republicans like Scott Walker seem to believe that suppressing the vote is the only way they can win.
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RavenSky said:
but they are all Republicans trying to rig it in Trump's (Republican) favor.

A Federal Court Orders Wisconsin to Stop Suppressing the Vote



Wisconsin is not the first state to disregard a court order to make it easier to vote. Texas issued misleading information after the US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit ordered the state to soften its voter-ID law and counties in North Carolina cut early voting after the Fourth Circuit restored early voting days. Republicans like Scott Walker seem to believe that suppressing the vote is the only way they can win.
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Penalties should be directed at the officials dealing with the applicants and possibly for those in charge. Perhaps jail time may act as a deterrent if the act was deliberate.
 
Are the multiple documents confirming their identities ordinarily accepted by the DMV? I want to rule out the possibility that isn't addressed within the quote.
 
RavenSky said:
fast said:
Are the multiple documents confirming their identities ordinarily accepted by the DMV? I want to rule out the possibility that isn't addressed within the quote.
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http://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/dmv/shared/bds316-english.pdf
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Was that a "yes"?

The link you just provided didn't (and wouldn't) mention what those specific people provided. The original link you provided may have stated what those specific people provided (which, I suppose could be cross checked with your subsequent link, which states what is acceptable), but my web browser is giving me a fit with the original link.
 
RavenSky said:
From the article SLD posted

canvassers sent by GOP operatives had gotten students to sign petitions supporting medical marijuana or lower car insurance rates, then used their information to submit bogus changes to their voter registrations.
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...lls-voters-trump-clinton-214297#ixzz4LyBtfPui
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It's a scary article, but I also read some other articles that pointed out how such actions could indeed be a violation of the federal voting rights act. Any kind of intimidation tactics used by poll watchers, including simplistically and mechanically challenging voters is a violation of the federal voting rights act. If they try that shit, they can be arrested. The individual who held up voting in Pa, may have violated the law. The problem is that if they pull that shit you can't stop it immediately. The election would still be certified. You can file suits later but that won't change the outcome.

The best that one can do is be aware, and if you are in Pa and someone pulls this shit, stand up to it. Don't let them get away with their crap.



SLD
 
whichphilosophy said:
SLD said:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ennsylvania-polls-voters-trump-clinton-214297

The above story shows how he could steal PA. Voter intimidation must be met with the most severest penalties. If I were in Pennsylvania I'd watch the poll watchers.

SLD
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I recall seeing irregularities in the Philippines like dead people voting and 200 people registered at a one room flat (apartment). I don't see too much about the USA
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The registrars here would quickly catch 200 people at an apartment.
 
RavenSky said:
but they are all Republicans
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Well they are not all Republocrats...Republicans I mean

Meet The Young Virginia Democrat That Registered 19 Dead People To Vote In Virginia

Just yesterday we wrote about an FBI investigation into potential voter fraud in the critical swing state of Virginia after it was revealed that 19 dead people had recently been re-registered to vote (see "FBI Investigating More Dead People Voting In The Key Swing State Of Virginia"). While the Washington Post caught wind of the investigation, it was not known who was behind the operation...until now.

Meet, Andrew Spieles, a student at James Madison University, and apparently "Lead Organizer" for HarrisonburgVOTES. According to the Daily News-Record, Spieles confessed to re-registering 19 deceased Virginians to vote in the 2016 election cycle.
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It's a pity of course this should derail any elected political position for him in his future.
What was he thinking?
I'm sure the other side is just as bad.
 
Will Wiley said:
Well they are not all Republocrats...Republicans I mean

Meet The Young Virginia Democrat That Registered 19 Dead People To Vote In Virginia

Just yesterday we wrote about an FBI investigation into potential voter fraud in the critical swing state of Virginia after it was revealed that 19 dead people had recently been re-registered to vote (see "FBI Investigating More Dead People Voting In The Key Swing State Of Virginia"). While the Washington Post caught wind of the investigation, it was not known who was behind the operation...until now.

Meet, Andrew Spieles, a student at James Madison University, and apparently "Lead Organizer" for HarrisonburgVOTES. According to the Daily News-Record, Spieles confessed to re-registering 19 deceased Virginians to vote in the 2016 election cycle.
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It's a pity of course this should derail any elected political position for him in his future.
What was he thinking?
I'm sure the other side is just as bad.
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Something to understand--a lot of registration fraud is simply to make money because they're being paid for the number of people they register.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Something to understand--a lot of registration fraud is simply to make money because they're being paid for the number of people they register.
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A "lot"? Who pays them? (I could use some moonlighting opportunity!) If it is so much per reg that it's worth digging through obituaries (or however they do it) it must be a high fee per vote.
Seriously though, if that goes on, IMHO it should be illegal. All it does is possibly create 19 votes, in exchange for giving the republitards some rationale for denying a few hundred thousand legitimate voters their right to vote. But most of them would have voted against Herr Trumpf anyhow, so I guess it's all good...
 
Elixir said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Something to understand--a lot of registration fraud is simply to make money because they're being paid for the number of people they register.
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A "lot"? Who pays them? (I could use some moonlighting opportunity!) If it is so much per reg that it's worth digging through obituaries (or however they do it) it must be a high fee per vote.
Seriously though, if that goes on, IMHO it should be illegal. All it does is possibly create 19 votes, in exchange for giving the republitards some rationale for denying a few hundred thousand legitimate voters their right to vote. But most of them would have voted against Herr Trumpf anyhow, so I guess it's all good...
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Sure it's illegal, it's just generally hard to catch the miscreants. And it's not that high a fee per voter--but how long does it take to dig through obituaries to find the needed information?
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Elixir said:
A "lot"? Who pays them? (I could use some moonlighting opportunity!) If it is so much per reg that it's worth digging through obituaries (or however they do it) it must be a high fee per vote.
Seriously though, if that goes on, IMHO it should be illegal. All it does is possibly create 19 votes, in exchange for giving the republitards some rationale for denying a few hundred thousand legitimate voters their right to vote. But most of them would have voted against Herr Trumpf anyhow, so I guess it's all good...
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Sure it's illegal, it's just generally hard to catch the miscreants. And it's not that high a fee per voter--but how long does it take to dig through obituaries to find the needed information?
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I don't know ... how much info would be required to successfully resurrect and register a deceased person to vote? This doesn't sound like a real lucrative scheme to me. But given how many people are living at or below the poverty line, a few bucks might be very important to them.
 
The people that were denied an ID at the DMV failed to supply acceptable documentation.
HOWEVER, the little known, brand new, law that requires DMV provide a temporary certificate for 'petitioners' that allows them to register to vote, was violated.

I guess the DMV worker didn;t know about this obscure law to issue a temporary petitioner's certificate for the purpose of voter registration... anyone here ever hear of it? Does this even exist anywhere else in the country?

Obscure Black Certificates Matter!!! RIOT AGAINST RACISM!!!
 
Malintent said:
I guess the DMV worker didn;t know about this obscure law to issue a temporary petitioner's certificate for the purpose of voter registration... anyone here ever hear of it? Does this even exist anywhere else in the country?
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You'd think it'd behoove the DMV to know the laws that govern its actions. It may be obscure to the average person, but there's no reason for it to be obscure to the people who are directly governed by it.
 
Shadowy Man said:
Malintent said:
I guess the DMV worker didn;t know about this obscure law to issue a temporary petitioner's certificate for the purpose of voter registration... anyone here ever hear of it? Does this even exist anywhere else in the country?
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You'd think it'd behoove the DMV to know the laws that govern its actions. It may be obscure to the average person, but there's no reason for it to be obscure to the people who are directly governed by it.
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I bet if you shared with us your profession, I could find an obscure or new law that "governs" your actions that you had no idea about...
 
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