TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
It is clear you just make shit up so that you can respond unnecessarily.
Why the fuck would I answer a question about a fucking asterisk YOU put there ?
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It is clear you just make shit up so that you can respond unnecessarily.
Why the fuck would I answer a question about a fucking asterisk YOU put there ?
RavenSky
The Doctor's Wife
A judge at a sentencing hearing victim-blaming the girl who was raped is not an example of "good". Even if you want to continue to erroneous insist that is wasn't victim-blaming, there was zero benefit and definite harm done by her words, no there was no "good" involved.
repoman
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I remember a video beating from Baltimore of a drunk white guy was alone at the time. He was from Virginia and visiting the city.
I wonder how this compares to a rape in the general advice to people beforehand about being alone and drunk. Also how it compares afterwards to talking to the rape or assault robbery victim. I would say about 80%+ similar at least.
This guy was missing a lot of the danger signs due to his intoxication. I feel bad for him.
I wonder how this compares to a rape in the general advice to people beforehand about being alone and drunk. Also how it compares afterwards to talking to the rape or assault robbery victim. I would say about 80%+ similar at least.
This guy was missing a lot of the danger signs due to his intoxication. I feel bad for him.
You guys put it there. The judge put it there. You know damn well what it means and you know why it's there. It's there for misogynists and others mindlessly adopting beliefs and attitudes through conditioning but without the wherewithal to not follow along.
It's an important question. Why do you insist on an asterisk when talking about brutalizing women? What are you defending? What are any of you defending when you insist on the asterisk and only pay minimal lip service to "oh yeah, it's wrong to rape, buuuuuuut"?
Will you lose your identity? Your standing among your fellow chest beaters? What?
And "right wing authoritarian follower" has a specific meaning. Yes, I do purposely repeat that phrase over and over as much as possible.
Some people look stuff up. You won't. You'll keep thinking it's an empty phrase that can be used as a general insult, but it's not. The phrase right wing authoritarian follower covers a specific list of sociological, psychological and cognitive traits. The people who look stuff up out of curiosity might gain some insight into what's been happening in the US for a couple of decades at least, but by electing a cartoon into office, the disease of right wing authoritarian followers in our society is now noticeable to the entire world.
I don't really give a shit how high you personally would score on a psychology fascism scale. I don't care how anyone in particular would score. I'd rather put the information in the path of whoever is talking about things like human rights and benefits of citizenship, the current US administration, the evils of religion, cultural myopia, bigotry, etc. These topics can't be discussed without acknowledging the very real phenomenon of right wing authoritarianism.
So, yeah, "RIGHT WING AUTHORITARIANISM IS A REAL CULTURAL AND IDEOLOGICAL DISEASE IN OUR WORLD."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism
http://theauthoritarians.org/ (free ebook)
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
Nope. You are the one that has dreamed up an asterisk.
The asterisk is the ever-present focus on rape victims not being warrior-prepared against a society of men who like to rape women. It helps you to feel comfortable with your myopic and inhumane view of the world to focus on the asterisk instead of human victims of brutality.
The asterisk is the little charcoal brick that passes for empathy in those who live comfortably free of the society-level threat of rape. It's there for people too attached to their assumptions to change their minds even if it means adopting a more humane view in spite of personal feelings of discomfort.
There is no woman in our society who is not aware of the threat. But there are few women who think this status quo is acceptable. (Apparently the judge is one who does, or more likely, someone who hasn't challenged the "concern" veneer that protects an inhumane status quo.)
Your view is inhumane and unacceptable in a peaceful, humane culture. The world may never be what we want it to be, but working to keep things the same doesn't serve that ideal, and well, your world view can never be any better than whatever you think should stay the same. It's maladaptive in a tribe of seven billion.
RavenSky
The Doctor's Wife
Don't tell me what I have or have not said/done/advocated for
If you aren't sure, ask. But let's look at what you actually wrote above - "educate her about risky behavior". Yes, that is absolutely 100% victim-blaming. You are laser focused on what YOU *think* is HER "risky behavior". There are inherent risks in everything we do. Getting out of bed in the morning carries a risk, however small. Driving to work carries a risk of an accident - actually a bigger risk than of being raped. Drinking carries various kinds of risks for everyone. Riding a bicycle carries a risk.
People love to tell women to always use a cab or ride-sharing service rather than walk at night. Guess what? Cabbies and Uber drivers can be rapists, too. So that *don't get raped advice* just swaps one risk for another. Meanwhile, people (including juries and judges and police) will second-guess a rape victim who chose to walk home. (That's victim-blaming, too, btw). There are risks to every surgery, every medication, every type of sport we engaged in.
And we talk about those risks - in the appropriate settings. Your doctor will discuss the risks of your surgery. Your medications will come with a warning sheet. Most people take precautions and/or wear protective gear before engaging in a sporting activity. And there is even an appropriate time and place for teaching our children and teenagers (boys and girls) about the risks and dangers of our world. Parents, schools, Officer Friendly, books, specialized classes, factual websites... these are all ways in which males and females can learn about all of the risks of drinking too much, or about being aware of one's surroundings.
I do think that more can be done specifically in the separate but sometimes overlapping areas of drinking and of consensual sex. But every time in other threads I have suggested either of those, quite a few of the very same people try to shout me down on that, too. How dare I suggest that boys and girls should be taught to seek an affirmative "yes" at every stage of sex. How dare I suggest that all college students should be made better aware of the dangers of drinking.
Some of you screamed at me that expecting college students to not drink and have drunken hook-ups was ridiculous. How dare I suggest we try to change our culture on this point. Yet, you seem to think that it is perfectly reasonable to tell 1/2 of those same college students that they should not drink. So what you are saying is that the women should not get drunk but it is perfectly fine for the men to get drunk. Never mind that the statistics for college campus rapes show that the rapists have been drinking prior to their raping someone at the same rate as their victims. It is not that women drink too much. It is that both sexes drink too much. Address the overall drinking and the risks to everyone - don't target just the women & rape.
So no, Loren, I do not "oppose any effort to educate" - quite the contrary - there is a time and place and way to educate people about various risks appropriately. But I do oppose victim-shaming/blaming, which is what we see over and over in rape cases. I don't see judges addressing the victims from the bench (under the guise of *advice* - "you should have read those warnings, people!") during medical malpractice cases. Do you? If you do, post them.
I don't see news media offering *safety tips* to airplane passengers after a crash in the middle of the article about the crash. Sure, the flight attendants go through their safety routine at the start of each flight. That's the appropriate time and place, and the flight attendants give the same advice to everyone - male or female, first class or not. And no one anywhere blames the victims of an airplane crash for forgetting to follow any particular safety precaution, do they? If you have evidence that I am wrong on this point, post it.
In the meantime, don't even try to tell me what I think, when you clearly don't have a fucking clue. And check yourself, Loren, because yapping about her "risky behavior" IS victim-blaming.
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TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
The asterisk that YOU invented. Right from the start you have deliberately and maliciously twisted everything said so you can trot out the same old claptrap. The asterisk is of your own making. You invented it so you can wag your finger like the "right on" little SJW you are. Bravo !!
Bullshit. It's created by you and others who agree with you that it's just the status quo for women to live under threat and to take responsibility for that threat while clueless judges and insecure men go through all the necessary motions to maintain it. Someone else named it "asterisk" as an apt shortcut symbolizing what you bring to the conversation. Own it. Don't be scared.
You're the people standing around casually gawking at a black man they just hanged. You're the Good Germans smiling for a nice photo on a day that hundreds of Jews were murdered just a short distance away. You're a Trump voter, whether you actually voted for him or not. You're adamantly defending something you've never examined yourself.
I can't say "Go fuck yourself" on this board as it's against the rules, but for the record, "Go fuck yourself," is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to people like you for fighting so hard to keep the world as ugly as your own minds.
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
It is YOU that invented it so that you can wag that finger in the face of the judge and give yourself a pat on he back. It's pathetic. And you get more incoherent with every post I guess because I barely get past the first sentence. (<--FYI)
RavenSky
The Doctor's Wife
He should keep misquoting people and taking statements out of context, too. It's the only strategy he's got on this one.
But back to the case, in an open courtroom at the sentencing of a convicted rapist, the judge said:
This judge effectively told the entire world what the British media commendably did not - that the victim of this rape was drunk at the time. That's victim-shaming, even if the judge did not call out the victim by name.
And whether she meant to or not, the judge essentially implied that had this girl not been drunk, maybe she would not have been raped. By making this announcement from the bench at the sentencing hearing, this judge basically used the case as a morality lesson. Women! Please don't drink [like this victim did] because it will make you more susceptible to being raped [like this victim], or maybe act slutty, and less likely to be believed. That's victim-blaming.
There is, I guess, always the possibility that this particular victim was not actually drunk during the assault. But that would make the judge's words even more inappropriate because the time and place she chose to spout off implies this victim was drunk.
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
Bullshit from another finger wagger.
That's actually covered in the research!
Right wing authoritarian followers can't read anything that makes them uncomfortable. Shame on you for lazily following along a status quo without question. Your mother should have taught you better.
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