Toni
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Engineers thinking it is true does not make it true. I don't think that many engineers would do well in humanities majors.I know that it is popular for engineer type people to believe wholeheartedly that engineering degrees are objectively harder (and also more valuable) than other degrees.
It being popular does not mean it's false.
I realize that this is true of the subset of individuals who lack the creativity, language ability and emotional intelligence of an English major.In terms of rigor, hard science >> huminites degrees like English.I don't believe that is objectively true. In term of rigor, I would match a degree in any hard science, or nursing (BS) or mathematics.
This is not entirely accurate nor is nursing school analogous to medical school, although obviously there is a shared body of knowledge. Nursing degrees --and for the purposes of this discussion, I am only talking about 4 year nursing degrees, not LPN degrees--involve a tremendous amount of knowledge about human anatomy and physiology as well as pharmacology, I think that a 4 year RN degree is at least as rigorous as a 5 year engineering degree which is why I mentioned nursing in this discussion. Both disciplines use applied science(s). Nursing includes additional components beyond biology/chemistry fields such as anatomy and physiology and pharmacology to include psychology and depending on specialty, also developmental psychology.Nursing is a special case. There is some science content, but obviously not as much as a pre-med program would have. Let alone med school itself. Nursing is more about practical skills than having a good understanding of how the human body works "under the hood".
This inability to understand what is meant by 'good listener' is a trait common to engineers and in very broad terms, men. Obviously not universal but...I do not know what you mean by "good listener"
Good communications skills ARE important in every field. In some fields, particularly in medical and educational fields, they are critical. Good communications skills is much more than being able to express oneself well. It also involves being able to listen and understand other people and what they are communicating, verbally and non-verbally.Good communication skills are important in every field.
In every state, a nurse practitioner is required to hold a Master's degree and in some states, they are required to hold a Doctorate. I think that you, like many people who aren't very familiar with nurses' education and training or with the many subspecialties within the very broad field. The other factor is sexism: It is just generally assumed that nursing (a female dominated field) is much 'easier' than being a doctor or an engineer (more male dominated fields).I get your point about soft skills, but I wished nursing had more hard skills too. Especially now that "midlevels" (including NPs) are being given more independence in treating patients.
When I was first at university as an 18 year old, I was taking a very rigorous course of science courses, as I contemplated becoming a physician. My best friend was taking nursing courses, a supposedly 'lighter' version of some of the same classes I took. Yes, the chemistry was 'lighter' if by lighter, one means condescending and sexist but her anatomy and physiology classes were much, much more rigorous than my comparative anatomy or human physiology classes, both designed for premed majors. My 'honors' courses were much easier than her regular course work. I'm basing that assessment on the fact that we helped each other study.
I have heard the opposite. "Midlevel encroachment" where hospitals hire more PAs and advanced nurses and give them more autonomy so they can save because actual physicians cost way more.because when health care providers seek to limit costs, they often reduce the number of nurses.
Those are not mutually exclusive. I have friends who left nursing because they were so frequently left short staffed and placed in situations where they felt that it was dangerous for patients. Fun fact: nursing is actually a dangerous profession with risks of assault on the job.
Again, not everything is about gender. Many men are teachers or general/family practice physicians.
They are indeed. However, teaching and nursing are long considered 'female' professions and receive less compensation compared with various other careers, considered more 'male.' This is changing, of course but it is still true.
My hope as well.More manufacture in the US will not only increase jobs, but would also make supply chains less vulnerable.