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The Dobbs majority, contrary to your assertion, invoked historical evidence to sufficiently arrive at a historical meaning contrary to Roe.
Did they though? Again, via hyper-technicality, they created an argument. Great. So did the Liberals. Had the Liberals had the majority, that would be law. Having a partisan majority is relevant to legal interpretation, but that doesn't mean the argument is sound (see every decision that has been reversed). In a more meaningful way, looking more broadly, the question is 'is a woman privy to herself?' Where does the line of Government intrusion into her life no longer violate the implied Constitutional right to privacy. You can't get blood from a person without a warrant! Yet, somehow, I'm supposed to rise and provide grand applause to a hyper-technical argument that somehow implies that a woman has no right to treat herself as she deems reasonable? If the state can't take my blood without due cause, how in the hell is logical to say a state can enforce my wife to endure pregnancy and give birth, with all of the consequences involved... without relying on pretzel logic? Having personally given a blood sample and observed my wife's pregnancy and daughter's birth, I can easily conclude which one was more involved.

In judicial review, interpretation of the law must make sense. It is contradictory to suggest invading the privacy of someone to take their blood is more invasive that forcing a woman to endure pregnancy and birth... not without first legally recognizing there is a third party involved, which was not done in Dobbs. It makes no sense! So again, the Roberts court took something that was working and broke it.... and broke it in a manner so brazenly offensive, as not to draw up boundary lines, letting the states try to figure it out for themselves, all the while Thomas was fantasizing about Obergfell and Griswold.
Are you familiar with the Lawrence v Texas decision? This case ignored years of its own precedent, decades of its own precedent, to recognize a privacy interest within the Liberty Clause of the 14th Amendment DPC. See opinion here https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102.ZO.html

The Lawrence decision fits within your parameter of “creative writing exercise and a rather poor look into history” as it overturned a 17 year old precedent of Bowers v Hardwick. Based upon your parameters there’s a reasonable expectation you’ll have similar derision for the disdain for the “breaking of Precedence like it didn’t mean anything.”
Again, this is an issue of you being under the illusion that constitutional law is objective. I care what is right. Adherence to constitutional law is important, but such an adherence can not be an excuse to violate people's rights. Justices O'Conner and Kennedy were conservative as all heck, but they understood the importance of rights.
This isn’t to deny SCOTUS conservatives as “partisan hacks” as I can’t show such a negative. However, these decisions do not demonstrate “partisan hacks” as at least two of those decisions you reference have a reasonably sound foundation within the text and meaning of the law(s). In other words, they reached a meaning/interpretation of the law consistent and in adherence to discovering and discerning what the law says. As opposed to a meaning and interpretation not supported by the plain text and historical understanding and conjured within the mind of a justice and inspired/conceived because of their own personal/political/ideological beliefs.
They are meddling with laws that were working and functional, for partisan reasons, because they (and their benefactors) wanted it that way. SCOTUS's job is to see to unresolvable constitutional questions and issues. This court is just paving the road with the wish list of The Heritage Foundation.

I get that my response is soft on Judicial citations, but as I explained, the subjective nature of Constitutional Law really makes those things less important than the broader application of oversight on Constitutional Law. Again, I thank you for your reply as it was stuffed with content and observations that were worth reading.
Not much of that coming from those supporting this court these days.

I would not construe my position as “supporting this court these days.” Rather, I’m addressing the underlying issue of the Court is partisan based upon a facile reason, dislike or disagreement with the Court rulings, yourself ostensibly excluded. Given the paucity of substantive replies, indeed the prominent nonsense replies, speaks for itself.

Yeah, here is the thing, unlike yourself, I'm not under the illusion that Constitutional Law is remotely objective. We wouldn't need SCOTUS otherwise. The nine Supreme Court justices are obscenely skilled and could successfully argue that a cat was actually a dog in court.

Textual interpretation, whether the Septuagint, Dead Sea Scrolls, Plato’s “Republic” in original Greek, “Best Poor Man’s Country” by Lemon, “God, Evil, and Free Will” by Plantinga, a statute, a novel, are amenable to the same practices of interpretation, some utilized daily, such as plain text meaning.

Plain text meaning, the words of a text are paramount, what the words express and/or what they convey, including contextual definitions, their definitions from common usage as revealed in a dictionary, etc, is what the words mean. Words do have a limited range of meaning, rendering highly capable the efficient communication of a message, prose, writing, speech, etcetera.

The Constitution is amenable to the same practices of interpretation. We can read various provisions and understand a meaning: 1.) “The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.” A rebellion or invasion and public safety is necessary to suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus. 2.) “The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States,” Every 2 years those in the HOR are required to again be “chosen” for another 2 years and election of a new person every two years for those not presenting themselves to be “chosen.”

Of course, I do not suggest the entire exercise of reading and interpreting the Constitution is so easy was cave man can do it. A definition or concept of what words and phrases mean or reference is at times required to interpret the Constitution.

“The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.”

What does “rebellion” mean? What does “rebellion”‘reference? What does “Invasion” mean? What does invasion reference?

Again, words have a limited range of meaning. The words “Invasion” and “Rebellion” were defined at the time the Constitution was composed and ratified. I’m not merely referring to dictionary meanings of the era, but the writings of people of the era revealing how they used those words, writings discussing what those words mean, debates, writings of this provision, writings and debates at the ratification conventions, etcetera, along with the legal meanings.

This process revealed the word “speech” in 1790 didn’t include libel, slander, illuminating for us today what isn’t protected by the Free Speech Clause. The phrase “due process of law” enjoys a long history of legal writing, from England, the colonial U.S., and subsequently U.S. jurisprudence, or inform us the phrase regarded procedural protections.

Now, I have no pretense this is a scientific method. However, it is a method closer to any semblance of objectivity in relation to another approach of making up meanings for the words or redefining words. It is said for those Senate laws/edicts Nero disfavored he would affix them to the top of the posts in the Roman Forum. The point being no or only the very few can know what is in the law or what the law says or protects since the law is practically concealed, much like an interpretative method of redefining words or new meanings.

The approach of making up meanings or redefining contravenes a characteristic of placing the law into writing, to reasonably fix rights, obligations, privileges, in the law, thereby protecting those rights, privileges, and announcing obligations etc. the Free Speech Clause offers illusory protection where its meaning isn’t fixed in the written law and subject to a redefining the phrase to protect nothing, or a new meaning that protects nothing.

Otherwise, absent any such notion there is a meaning that existed when the Constitution was drafted and ratified, all the rebukes here are vacuous, as fhe allegations of partisan Court is then based upon their partisan beliefs that are contrary to the opinions.That is very well true, but it is so vacuous that renders it meaningless. As you concede, there is no "scientific method" for this and when one is interpolating and extrapolating the writings of people from centuries ago, it feels quite absurd to suggest strict adherence to textual interpretation. Trying to create a rigid guide on regulatory management of crypto currency based on the writings of James Madison seems impossible. There are ways to observe and judge by it, but like I said, these SCOTUS justices can argue a dog is a cat in the court, and another justice could prove the "cat" was actually moose on appeal. So we get back to the issue of objectivity in law, it doesn't exist. The mountain of SCOTUS judicial review proves it.

The Constitution also doesn't exist in a bubble. We have nearing 250 years of hindsight. There are several things in Government we could argue, at a hyper technical level that are unconstitutional. The FDA, SEC, EPA all have purposes that aren't explicitly spoken of in the Constitution, so while we can justify their existence, I'm certain Alito could write it off too. These regulatory groups involve aspects of our world today that weren't even in science fiction back in the late 18th century... seeing that science fiction wouldn't effectively be created for another 50 or so years. How the Government manages certain aspects of the entire system that our lives depends on is much more involved than the Founding Fathers would ever have ever imagined. But again, that is 250 years, a Great Depression, poisoned soil, air, and water, mass scale killing, ginormous monopolies, the discovery of medicine!

The Constitution puts forth a framework. Madison felt that framework was etched in stone. Jefferson would say it should change and adapt as the nation grows, much like how an adult isn't expected to use the same jacket he had as a child. We can't let a Madisonian mindset paralyze our country from functioning, and it sure the heck shouldn't be used as an excuse to rescind the rights of Americans, as Justice Thomas has been giddy at doing.

Is the law broken or Constitutionally corrupt, is something not right. Why must the law change? And I am of the opinion that "hyper-technicality" is not an acceptable excuse to break something that is working. We are supposed to be adults here, and not relying on asterisks to push a political agenda. And please, don't insult my intelligence by trying to hide the Robert's courts decisions as anything but partisan. They have pushed the SCOTUS into a new direction. Dobbs stole away a right to self-determination of woman, without a third party to justify it. This SCOTUS bench has decided to ban pragmatism in law (where beneficial to the proposals the Heritage Foundation based on the selection of these justices to be selected for the court), making the law so pure, it become antiseptic and kills whatever that touches it.
 
“Please do us all a favour and” pretend your replies are typed by ChatGPT, more likely you’d have an intelligent reply to the substance.
Huh?
Indeed, as a matter of fact for you, absolute zero reply is the best way for you to express your vacuous opinion, as opposed to having others yield to your 10 word limit, derived no doubt from an aversion to reading. “Give it a go” boy!
Somone with nothing to say them. Nice to meet you. Me saying "Nice to meet you", is just me being polite.
 
Why don't you knock off the useless blather and why don't you explain how Harris could have possibly been anywhere near as immoral, evil, dangerous to democracy and peace and all that's good than Trump?

You might want to reference this short list of Trump's immoral behavior


“Maybe you could knock off the useless blather” and cease treating your perception of the presidential election as a epic struggle between moral and immoral, like a religious fundy, as the only perception. Let’s begin there.

Next, if both candidates suck for me, regardless of whatever source for your morality by which you seek to impose and evaluate other people, then it doesn’t make any sense for me to vote for either, your personal moral evaluations being irrelevant.
We can remove the word "moral" and go with Constitutional... and how Trump's unconstitutional move to steal the election in 2020 made him Constitutionally unfit for the office. Yes, his age and residency and having only served one term didn't disqualify him, but his refusal to abide by the election results was a violation of his oath.

One might not like Harris's politics, but when she lost the election, there wasn't 10 weeks of brazenly false claims and accusations, followed by a riot (zero actually court cases regarding fraud filed by the guy with standing) to change the results in Congress.

Any scale that can weigh the ills of the two candidates as being anywhere near equal is in desperate need of recalibration.
 
We can remove the word "moral" and go with Constitutional... and how Trump's unconstitutional move to steal the election in 2020 made him Constitutionally unfit for the office.
Yeah, that should have been the second third fourth last straw for Cheato’s political acting job. Good thing he had SCOTUS in his pocket, eh?
 
We can remove the word "moral" and go with Constitutional... and how Trump's unconstitutional move to steal the election in 2020 made him Constitutionally unfit for the office.
Yeah, that should have been the second third fourth last straw for Cheato’s political acting job. Good thing he had SCOTUS in his pocket, eh?
No, that was the fault of the GOP. The GOP had the power to kick him out of Federal politics. Instead, they embraced that asshole.

I almost get the feeling they are letting him take the dive for upending our bureaucracy if these ideas (their wet dreams since Reagan) don't pan out.
 
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No, that was the fault of the GOP. The GOP had the power to kick him out of Federal politics. Instead, they embraced that asshole.
That refers to the first second and third last straws. GOP also had the power to reject the nominations of lying corrupt judges and justices.
 
Why don't you knock off the useless blather and why don't you explain how Harris could have possibly been anywhere near as immoral, evil, dangerous to democracy and peace and all that's good than Trump?

You might want to reference this short list of Trump's immoral behavior


“Maybe you could knock off the useless blather” and cease treating your perception of the presidential election as a epic struggle between moral and immoral, like a religious fundy, as the only perception. Let’s begin there.

Next, if both candidates suck for me, regardless of whatever source for your morality by which you seek to impose and evaluate other people, then it doesn’t make any sense for me to vote for either, your personal moral evaluations being irrelevant.
We can remove the word "moral" and go with Constitutional... and how Trump's unconstitutional move to steal the election in 2020 made him Constitutionally unfit for the office. Yes, his age and residency and having only served one term didn't disqualify him, but his refusal to abide by the election results was a violation of his oath.

One might not like Harris's politics, but when she lost the election, there wasn't 10 weeks of brazenly false claims and accusations, followed by a riot (zero actually court cases regarding fraud filed by the guy with standing) to change the results in Congress.

Any scale that can weigh the ills of the two candidates as being anywhere near equal is in desperate need of recalibration.

Yet, while perhaps true, doesn’t necessarily change that for me Trump sucked and Harris sucked, and the profound logic that I perhaps vote for a candidate that sucks by my estimation but because they suck less than the other condidate, but still suck nonetheless, is not a sensible proposition presently. Both candidates for President sucked and I’m not casting a ballot for a sucky candidate.

I didn’t entertain any notion the “ills of the two candidates as being anywhere near equal,” and no such consideration ever factored in my dislike for both Trump and Harris. I didn’t vote for any presidential candidate in 2020 either, as neither Trump or Biden weren palatable to me.
 
I didn’t entertain any notion the “ills of the two candidates as being anywhere near equal,” and no such consideration ever factored in my dislike for both Trump and Harris.
So you made the most common error of citizens in representative democracies, and thought you were being asked to vote for somebody who you wanted to represent you.

That's a failure to grasp the fundamental purpose of democracy, which is to permit the removal of bad rulers without the expense and trouble of having to assassinate them or fight a civil war.

If their replacement is actually good, that's a lucky break; The important thing though is that the worst candidate doesn't get elected.

Voters often fall for the idea (promoted by politicians) that their role is to choose the best person, or at least someone good. But that's just politicians buffing their egos as usual.

The role of a voter is to block access to
power for the worst of the worst.

And you admit here that you failed to even understand the assignment, much less to complete it with any degree of success whatsoever.
 
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I didn’t entertain any notion the “ills of the two candidates as being anywhere near equal,” and no such consideration ever factored in my dislike for both Trump and Harris.
So you made the most common error of citizens in representative democracies, and thought you were being asked to vote for somebody who you wanted to represent you.

That's a failure to grasp the fundamental purpose of democracy, which is to permit the removal of bad rulers without the expense and trouble of having to assassinate them or fight a civil war.

If their replacement is actually good, that's a lucky break; The important thing though is that the worst candidate doesn't get elected.

Voters often fall for the idea (promoted by politicians) that their role is to choose the best person, or at least someone good. But that's just politicians buffing their egos as usual.

The role of a voter is to block access to
power for the worst of the worst.

And you admit here that you failed to even undertand the assignment, much less to complete it with any degree of success whatsoever.
So you made the most common error of citizens in representative democracies

Did I? Man you’re superb, you surely possess esoteric knowledge. You have knowledge of what is the “most common error.” That’s impressive.

In case you’ve yet to understand, your grandiose statements of presumed fact, which are mere speculation and opinion, isn’t comellling.

and thought you were being asked to vote for somebody who you wanted to represent you.

Right because penned on the wall of some
Buc-ee’s bathroom wall that you visited was the universal truth that at no time in a democracy is it ever about a vote for somebody we want or wanted. Seeing as that isn’t a universal truth, well there is no evidence for it, this is your mere opinion which simply isn’t sufficient to demonstrate I’m wrong.

That's a failure to grasp the fundamental purpose of democracy, which is to permit the removal of bad rulers without the expense and trouble of having to assassinate them or fight a civil war.

You don’t get it. For me Harris would have a “bad ruler.” For me Trump would have been a “bad ruler.” There wasn’t a indication a failure to vote for either, a failure to vote for Harris, or an election of Trump, risked civil war. So, while it is dubious you can demonstrate this “fundamental purpose” and its source, it was applicable to this election.

And here I thought the “fundamental purpose of democracy” in America was the recognition that the true power resides with the people and their decisions as to who to vote or not vote for in any election.

Voters often fall for the idea (promoted by politicians) that their role is to choose the best person, or at least someone good. But that's just politicians buffing their egos as usual.

Are you employed as a Pythia? You are a fantastic diviner of people’s thoughts, as above you divine what they “often fall for.” How are the Starbucks in Delphi?

And you admit here that you failed to even undertand the assignment, much less to complete it with any degree of success whatsoever.

Your assignment conjured from nothing more than your mere thoughts expressed as pure opinion by you but treated by yourself as incontrovertible facts. Yes, I failed to be persuaded by your conjecture, presumed knowledge of people’s thoughts, and your unsupported claims regarding democracy.

You have at best demonstrated my not voting for either presidential candidate offended your personal sensibilities but nothing more.
 
In case you’ve yet to understand, your grandiose statements of presumed fact, which are mere speculation and opinion, isn’t comellling.
Well of course not. "comellling" isn't a word.

And in case you've yet to understand, acting the supercillious tit is going to win you zero respect anywhere.

Grow the fuck up.
 
“Maybe you could knock off the useless blather” and cease treating your perception of the presidential election as a epic struggle between moral and immoral, like a religious fundy, as the only perception. Let’s begin there.

Next, if both candidates suck for me, regardless of whatever source for your morality by which you seek to impose and evaluate other people, then it doesn’t make any sense for me to vote for either, your personal moral evaluations being irrelevant.
We can remove the word "moral" and go with Constitutional... and how Trump's unconstitutional move to steal the election in 2020 made him Constitutionally unfit for the office. Yes, his age and residency and having only served one term didn't disqualify him, but his refusal to abide by the election results was a violation of his oath.

One might not like Harris's politics, but when she lost the election, there wasn't 10 weeks of brazenly false claims and accusations, followed by a riot (zero actually court cases regarding fraud filed by the guy with standing) to change the results in Congress.

Any scale that can weigh the ills of the two candidates as being anywhere near equal is in desperate need of recalibration.
Yet, while perhaps true, doesn’t necessarily change that for me Trump sucked and Harris sucked, and the profound logic that I perhaps vote for a candidate that sucks by my estimation but because they suck less than the other condidate, but still suck nonetheless, is not a sensible proposition presently.
If that were the case, it betrays your consideration or alleged care about the Constitution and Constitutional Law. Trump didn't merely suck, he tried to steal an election. He conspired to get multiple State Legislatures and at least one Secretary of State (GA) to reverse the election results. He then conspired to do an end run on January 6th, both inside the chambers by having the Vice President declare the election invalid and outside by amassing a riot.

If one were to equate that with whatever Harris has or hasn't done as making they both "suck", all the while alleging to care about Constitutional Law is either wildly partisan or full of it.
I didn’t entertain any notion the “ills of the two candidates as being anywhere near equal,” and no such consideration ever factored in my dislike for both Trump and Harris. I didn’t vote for any presidential candidate in 2020 either, as neither Trump or Biden weren palatable to me.
And while that is at least viable on some view, we are talking post 2020 Election Trump... after he he conspired to steal an election, based on nothing but brazenly false claims.
 
I didn’t entertain any notion the “ills of the two candidates as being anywhere near equal,” and no such consideration ever factored in my dislike for both Trump and Harris. I didn’t vote for any presidential candidate in 2020 either, as neither Trump or Biden weren palatable to me.
The rest of your posts suggest more sophisticated views than this.
Due to our obsolete system for choosing POTUS, there are exactly three choices available to eligible voters.
One of the two party nominated candidates or "whoever wins". That's it.
Anyone who stayed home in 2024 voted for Trump. Same with third party votes. Anything other than a vote for Harris was a vote for Trump. That's just reality.
Tom
 
There wasn’t an indication a failure to vote for either, a failure to vote for Harris, or an election of Trump, risked civil war.
To the oblivious, yeah.

Of course, I missed that daytime soap opera perpetually viewed by you of States threatening secsssion, of credible threats and/or evidence of mobs, groups, states, counties, towns, storing caches of weapons akin to Concord and Lexington for the express purpose of manifesting a armed revolt against the government.

Yes, I was obvious to your hyper paranoia, hyper anxiety, hyper obsessive compulsive over a imminent civil war, and you were oblivious to the factual realities. Gotcha!
 
I missed that daytime soap opera

You missing it doesn't alter the fact that it aired, (and based on a true story!) - which you wouldn't know, having elevated yourself above such mundane concerns. Such elevation gives a great perspective for overarching declarations about the size of the little people below.

:hysterical:
 
“Maybe you could knock off the useless blather” and cease treating your perception of the presidential election as a epic struggle between moral and immoral, like a religious fundy, as the only perception. Let’s begin there.

Next, if both candidates suck for me, regardless of whatever source for your morality by which you seek to impose and evaluate other people, then it doesn’t make any sense for me to vote for either, your personal moral evaluations being irrelevant.
We can remove the word "moral" and go with Constitutional... and how Trump's unconstitutional move to steal the election in 2020 made him Constitutionally unfit for the office. Yes, his age and residency and having only served one term didn't disqualify him, but his refusal to abide by the election results was a violation of his oath.

One might not like Harris's politics, but when she lost the election, there wasn't 10 weeks of brazenly false claims and accusations, followed by a riot (zero actually court cases regarding fraud filed by the guy with standing) to change the results in Congress.

Any scale that can weigh the ills of the two candidates as being anywhere near equal is in desperate need of recalibration.
Yet, while perhaps true, doesn’t necessarily change that for me Trump sucked and Harris sucked, and the profound logic that I perhaps vote for a candidate that sucks by my estimation but because they suck less than the other condidate, but still suck nonetheless, is not a sensible proposition presently.
If that were the case, it betrays your consideration or alleged care about the Constitution and Constitutional Law. Trump didn't merely suck, he tried to steal an election. He conspired to get multiple State Legislatures and at least one Secretary of State (GA) to reverse the election results. He then conspired to do an end run on January 6th, both inside the chambers by having the Vice President declare the election invalid and outside by amassing a riot.

If one were to equate that with whatever Harris has or hasn't done as making they both "suck", all the while alleging to care about Constitutional Law is either wildly partisan or full of it.
I didn’t entertain any notion the “ills of the two candidates as being anywhere near equal,” and no such consideration ever factored in my dislike for both Trump and Harris. I didn’t vote for any presidential candidate in 2020 either, as neither Trump or Biden weren palatable to me.
that were the case, it betrays your consideration or alleged care about the Constitution and Constitutional Law.

That assumes Harris wasn’t a threat to the Constitution and Constitutional Law, which for me and my proclivities she was such a threat.

And your logic assumes a false dichotomy, it’s either vote against Trump and for Harris or not care about the Constitution. That’s just a false dilemma conceived no doubt in an attempt to establish a mandate for someone ti cast a ballot for a candidate you find palatable but others do not. You have certainly adopted the Harris, Dem, left, MSNBC and CNN mantra that a vote for Harris was a vote for a Constitution. Pleasantly, them saying it never made it a reality.

Not voting for either can co-exist with respect for the Constitution. At Best all you’ve demonstrated is a compelling reason to not vote for Trump. There’s nothing but magic to treat the Consitution itself as equal to candidate Harris such that not to vote against Trump by voting for her is inconsistent with the Constitution that no one who respects the Constitution could not vote or not vote for Harris.

Harris was no constitutional messiah, she wasn’t baptized or anointed as such, and not voting for her while not voting at all for let her isn’t contrary, contradictory, to respect for the Constitution.

Trumps actions doesn’t transform Harris and a vote for Harris as equal to respecting the Constitution.

And while that is at least viable on some view, we are talking post 2020 Election Trump... after he he conspired to steal an election, based on nothing but brazenly false claims.

So what? That doesn’t justify voting for another candidate that for me also sucks!
 
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I missed that daytime soap opera

You missing it doesn't alter the fact that it aired, (and based on a true story!) - which you wouldn't know, having elevated yourself above such mundane concerns. Such elevation give a great perspective for overarching declarations about the size of the little people below.

:hysterical:

Easily amuse yourself do you?

I am informed of “mundane concerns,” as I have no perch from which I think, speak, or perceive reality. However, I have elevated myself above your hyper paranoia, obsessive compulsive, hyper anxiety that has misled you to perceive that which didn’t exist, imminent civil war.
 
Voters often fall for the idea (promoted by politicians) that their role is to choose the best person, or at least someone good. But that's just politicians buffing their egos as usual.
It is a bit asymmetrical as well, as suppressing the vote favors Republicans.
After some observance about the recent election, I think most 'Murkins are just so entitled, overfed and lazy that they don't really care what the government does or doesn't do, making them supremely susceptible to entertainment.

It's bread and circuses top to bottom, with lifted Ram trucks sporting gun racks and nuts on the stinger. Identify and vilify the bad guys causing what little pain they ever actually had to endure, make a show of cruelty to them - it doesn't even matter what is actually done to them because the next entertaining act is already on its way! News cycles overlap, and much beer gets consumed.
"Life is good, and thank you Saint Donald, you deserve every trillion dollars you can steal from us!"
 
I have elevated myself above your hyper paranoia, obsessive compulsive, hyper anxiety
:hysterical:
You're a riot, kid.

has misled you to perceive that which didn’t exist, imminent civil war.

Uh... you just got here with your full head of steam. You have no fucking Idea what I perceive,
but I am sure it would horrify and embarrass you, LOL.
Civil war has been underway for 25 years or so. It's been cold so far, and might remain so even as the Country treads a path toward 1930s Germany. But I have expressed no fear of Civil War. In fact I have said that it should have turned hot on 1/6, but Trump had already sabotaged all avenues of rapid response. Did you watch it live? Or were you like, 12 at the time?

Your justification for your own oblivion to the changes in process is so overly vehement, and your willingness to impute beliefs to others to cover for your slack, make one wonder if it's all even genuine. You could be an agent for Apathetics Anonymous trying to recruit new members for all I know or care. But at least be interesting, and lay off the ad hominem excuses for your ignorance.
 
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I didn’t entertain any notion the “ills of the two candidates as being anywhere near equal,” and no such consideration ever factored in my dislike for both Trump and Harris. I didn’t vote for any presidential candidate in 2020 either, as neither Trump or Biden weren palatable to me.
The rest of your posts suggest more sophisticated views than this.
Due to our obsolete system for choosing POTUS, there are exactly three choices available to eligible voters.
One of the two party nominated candidates or "whoever wins". That's it.
Anyone who stayed home in 2024 voted for Trump. Same with third party votes. Anything other than a vote for Harris was a vote for Trump. That's just reality.
Tom

You find that logic compelling? It’s political sophistry used by both sides to convince people who find both candidates that suck to vote for a candidate they think sucks anyway by guilt tripping them with that guilt trip logic. That’s all that is, guilt trip logic to rally support from people that do not like the candidate, and/or rally support from people where the candidate isn’t as popular, and/or is disliked! The logic is not rational to any person who hates both, a guilt trip vote for one candidate because they cannot get past the finish line with the votes they have, which is the candidates problem, Harris’ problem, and not the fault or problem of the voters, especially the voters who do not like her proposed policies, political beliefs, political whatever. Want more votes, then do something different than the guilt trip logic to voters to get them to vote for her when she isn’t a candidate they’d vote for because of her views, etcetera.

Not voting isn’t factually or in reality ever a vote for any candidate. No votes aren’t counted for any presidential candidate.

Clearly Harris wasn’t that strong a candidate to motivate enough people to vote for her, so rather than yield to that reality, conjure up guilt logic to hopefully move people to vote for your candidate that sucks for those people. That isn’t rationally persuasive.
 
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