Must be the wrong video you are watching.
The interview starts about 1 hour in. His papers can be very difficult to understand but he is trying to make it simple in interviews.
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The interview starts about 1 hour in. His papers can be very difficult to understand but he is trying to make it simple in interviews.That some vaccines increase the risk for infection through for example antibody dependent enhancement is nothing new.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease
Patient comprehension is a critical part of meeting medical ethics standards of informed consent in study designs. The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID‐19 ...
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Can you live with yourself if he's not, and people die needlessly because you persuaded them not to take sensible precautions against disease?
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There's a powerful and influential segment of society that benefits from misery and chaos.
Nobody wants to watch a news bulletin or read a newspaper that is full of good news.
You want to know why conspiracy theories are so popular? Ask Rupert Murdoch.
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Wrong on both counts.
The question you should ask yourself is, why do you believe either claim?
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The virus had little pressure with people getting infected so much by not caring about being infected.
Except that in general, statistically, it is more likely a virus will become more contagious and weaker, than more contagious and stronger. Covid-19 has generally been following this route. The evolution is always about being able to infect more people to reproduce, the harm it does isn't relevant, and therefore expendable.
We've thought about it. We've explained to you repeatedly the issues with your comments. You are the one not thinking. You've already admitted you don't understand the science well, yet decided to hitch your wagon to a guy you don't understand.
But your reach here is tiny and you are in the political forum and not even the natural science forum that is on this discussion board for discussing science. Doesn't make sense how you selected this particular forum. If you want to discuss science then there are science forums for that.
I am a fish biologist that started posting here in 2001 because it was a place where I felt welcome as an unbeliever. I am trying to figure out the motivations of a new poster that pops into the political forum and not the science forum. What motivates this evangelism that feels like a drive-by creationist that used to hit the science side?
No content in his response as to how the Cell study debunks that article, but he sure knows how to do the Ctrl-V magic.But the study by 50 scientists published in Cell debunks that article.Another perspective
The Doomsday Prophecy of Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche
Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, a Belgian virus expert, has scared the Internet by claiming the COVID-19 vaccines will doom humanity. No need to panic.A Belgian virus expert has scared the Internet by claiming the COVID-19 vaccines will doom humanity. No need to panic.www.mcgill.ca
The mass vaccinations have saved tens of millions of lives, by dramatically reducing the odds of having a severe outcome to the virus. Just look at the data.
You think the scientists working on the problem don't know what this veterinarian claims to know?What Bossche also says.
"They also recommend that research focus on new vaccines that not only prevent hospital admission and disease, but also "induce high and durable levels of mucosal immunity. The goal, they say, should be "to reduce infection of and transmission from vaccinated individuals," and to "reduce the possibility of variant selection in vaccinated individuals."
UK scientists believe it is 'almost certain' a coronavirus variant will emerge that beats current vaccines | CNN
British academics believe it is "almost certain" that a SARS-Cov-2 variant will emerge that "leads to current vaccine failure." SARS-CoV-2 is the virus that causes Covid-19.edition.cnn.com
Yeah, the guy on Market-Ticker is the authority we should be listening to! I have clearly been listening to the wrong people and I stand corrected.This guy is intelligent and explains it well.
Well, Duh. This Is Why It Was Stupid
<p>I warned everyone.</p><p><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/01/health/uk-scientists-covid-variant-beat-vaccines-intl/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Now even CNN is onmarket-ticker.org
You still have presented no reason to think he's right.But studies show that now. The one by 50 scientists. There are others to.The problem is you are assuming he's right in saying the immune system is being damaged.It does seem to be a big problem because the immune system becomes more damaged by each shot.
The vaxx only produce antibodies for the S-protein. Antibodies from infection recognize more of the virus. Also N-protein.
According to this study each shot makes broader immunity less likely.
"for any given viral copy number, the odds of anti-N seropositivity were 13.67 times higher for the placebo arm than the vaccine arm"
Anti-nucleocapsid antibodies following SARS-CoV-2 infection in the blinded phase of the mRNA-1273 Covid-19 vaccine efficacy clinical trial
Importance The performance of immunoassays for determining past SARS-CoV-2 infection, which were developed in unvaccinated individuals, has not been assessed in vaccinated individuals. Objective To evaluate anti-nucleocapsid antibody (anti-N Ab) seropositivity in mRNA-1273 vaccine efficacy...www.medrxiv.org
Igor explains. https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/moderna-knew-vaccinated-people-will?s=r
BTW Vanden Bossche links to that blog so i guess they agree.
If you mean you are waiting for mainstream media to confirm it for you: ( "Sorry, the experimental drug failed" ) i think you have to wait a long time.
It may even be national security not to tell people.
The immune system always imprints on the first version it sees, whether that's a vaccine or the real virus. He's trying to make that into something evil--if it were then all the people who have gotten Covid would be at even higher risk.
What you still haven't addressed is that exactly the same pressure applies with regard to those who have previously gotten Covid. That's why we see all these variants--the virus keeps getting around the previous protection and lots of people have been infected more than once because of this. The vaccine provides a barrier that's a lot harder to get around but otherwise does the same thing.Bossches warning is about mass vaccination with a leaky vaxx. That we put huge pressure on the virus to survive the vaxx.
Together with studies now showing that each injection also makes your natural immune system less and less effective is a very bad situation for the vaccinated.
UK scientists believe it is 'almost certain' a coronavirus variant will emerge that beats current vaccines | CNN
British academics believe it is "almost certain" that a SARS-Cov-2 variant will emerge that "leads to current vaccine failure." SARS-CoV-2 is the virus that causes Covid-19.
Once again, you show you don't understand the situation.
This mass vaccination will probably be remembered as mans biggest mistake.
What Bossche also says.
"They also recommend that research focus on new vaccines that not only prevent hospital admission and disease, but also "induce high and durable levels of mucosal immunity. The goal, they say, should be "to reduce infection of and transmission from vaccinated individuals," and to "reduce the possibility of variant selection in vaccinated individuals."
UK scientists believe it is 'almost certain' a coronavirus variant will emerge that beats current vaccines | CNN
British academics believe it is "almost certain" that a SARS-Cov-2 variant will emerge that "leads to current vaccine failure." SARS-CoV-2 is the virus that causes Covid-19.
Yes, they are trying to find a vaccine that will prevent infection. They haven't succeeded yet. That doesn't mean the current vaccine isn't of benefit.
And note that the most infectious strain probably has nothing at all to do with developing vaccine resistance--it appears to have evolved in a mouse. We aren't vaccinating mice so you can't blame it on the vaccine.
Once again, you fail to comprehend what your source is saying!That some vaccines increase the risk for infection through for example antibody dependent enhancement is nothing new.
Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease
Patient comprehension is a critical part of meeting medical ethics standards of informed consent in study designs. The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID‐19 ...
The issue was with the clinical trials. Since prior infection increasing the severity of subsequent infection is a known issue but at the time of the trials they didn't have any data on whether Covid exhibited this it had to be listed as a possible risk.
That doesn't mean it turned out to be that way. And of the ones mentioned in that publication I'm only aware of the issue with dengue fever--and note that it was known to happen before a vaccine was ever developed. The dengue vaccine has the same effect as dengue fever itself--making subsequent infections more serious. (Which has resulted in the ironic situation that for most people the proper protocol is to only use the dengue fever vaccine on those who have already had dengue fever.)
How the injection destroy the immune system. Vanden Bossche explain in his recent papers.
www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org
Why areC-19 vaccinated people no longer able to rely on relevant innate immune cells when circulating variants become resistant to the neutralizing capacity of the vaccinal Abs?
"Neutralizing anti-S Abs have strong affinity for SC-2 as they are primarily directed at immunodominant epitopes within the S-RBD. Because of their high affinity, these Abs can easily outcompete innate polyreactive IgM Abs that recognize self-like glycans on the surface of CoV. In case there is sufficient match between the immunodominant RBD epitopes and the vaccine-induced Abs, this does not pose a problem to controlling viral infection and spread. In the absence, however, of sufficient virus-neutralizing capacity of vaccine-induced Abs (due to resistance of the virus to potentially neutralizing anti-S Abs), these innate polyreactive IgM Abs can still be outcompeted by non-neutralizing, infection-enhancing anti-NTD Abs that are equally elicited by all S-based C-19 vaccines (see fig. 3).
As the enhancing NTD site is relatively conserved (i.e., shared among all different SC-2 variants), the enhancing Abs will be recalled upon re-exposure with new immune escape variants and bind with disproportionally high affinity to S if the neutralizing capacity of the vaccinal Abs towards the circulating variant is low.
Unless the functional capacity of the relevant innate immune cells has been sufficiently trained before
vaccination such as to produce relevant polyreactive IgM of higher affinity, the infectious and
pathogenic behavior of SC-2 in vaccinees will be largely determined by their vaccine-induced enhancing Abs, especially as those will continuously be boosted by virtue of the dominant circulation of the vaccine-resistant variant."
Geert Vanden Bossche Predictions on evolution Covid 19 pandemic [UPDATE May 2022] | Voice for Science and Solidarity
"I SERIOUSLY expect that a series of new highly virulent and highly infectious SARS-CoV-2 (SC-2) variants will now rapidly and independ...
www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org
Why areC-19 vaccinated people no longer able to rely on relevant innate immune cells when circulating variants become resistant to the neutralizing capacity of the vaccinal Abs?
"Neutralizing anti-S Abs have strong affinity for SC-2 as they are primarily directed at immunodominant epitopes within the S-RBD. Because of their high affinity, these Abs can easily outcompete innate polyreactive IgM Abs that recognize self-like glycans on the surface of CoV. In case there is sufficient match between the immunodominant RBD epitopes and the vaccine-induced Abs, this does not pose a problem to controlling viral infection and spread. In the absence, however, of sufficient virus-neutralizing capacity of vaccine-induced Abs (due to resistance of the virus to potentially neutralizing anti-S Abs), these innate polyreactive IgM Abs can still be outcompeted by non-neutralizing, infection-enhancing anti-NTD Abs that are equally elicited by all S-based C-19 vaccines (see fig. 3).
As the enhancing NTD site is relatively conserved (i.e., shared among all different SC-2 variants), the enhancing Abs will be recalled upon re-exposure with new immune escape variants and bind with disproportionally high affinity to S if the neutralizing capacity of the vaccinal Abs towards the circulating variant is low.
Unless the functional capacity of the relevant innate immune cells has been sufficiently trained before
vaccination such as to produce relevant polyreactive IgM of higher affinity, the infectious and
pathogenic behavior of SC-2 in vaccinees will be largely determined by their vaccine-induced enhancing Abs, especially as those will continuously be boosted by virtue of the dominant circulation of the vaccine-resistant variant."
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You keep quoting things, but never trying to imply you understand what the words say. The truth is, our immune system is more than just antibodies. And we have a mountain of evidence showing that while resistance to infection drops with subsequent variants, there is still some residual resistance to infection, and people that are immunized do much better against the disease than those who are not. And again, Omicron BA.4/5 appear to escape natural immunity from infection by Omicron BA.1, where as the vaccine has yet to show similar uselessness.
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I once had 'Research Scientist' as my job title, but that title exaggerated my ability to read technical papers! I found the Cell paper too full of unfamiliar words for me to have any chance of coping with it.
But these days a person can usually get a pretty good about an idea by examining the messenger(s).
Once upon a time the dictum "Don't attack the messenger" may have made sense. For an idea to appear in print at all, one could figure the messenger was likely to be intelligent, serious and sincere.
Not any more. Many articles can be dismissed at once with just a glance at the domain name. And there are literally entire towns in Albania whose economy is based on the pennies earned by typing lies into Facebook!
I didn't click to see what Mr. Berenson had to say of course. I just typed his name into Google. Here's the first hit:
They used to call me Swammerdami the Gullible, taking the words of the Desiderata — "listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story" — to heart. That stance is no longer sensical in this post-truth era.
But these days a person can usually get a pretty good about an idea by examining the messenger(s).
Once upon a time the dictum "Don't attack the messenger" may have made sense. For an idea to appear in print at all, one could figure the messenger was likely to be intelligent, serious and sincere.
Not any more. Many articles can be dismissed at once with just a glance at the domain name. And there are literally entire towns in Albania whose economy is based on the pennies earned by typing lies into Facebook!
I didn't click to see what Mr. Berenson had to say of course. I just typed his name into Google. Here's the first hit:
in April 2021 The Atlantic said:
They used to call me Swammerdami the Gullible, taking the words of the Desiderata — "listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story" — to heart. That stance is no longer sensical in this post-truth era.