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Violent protests at Georgia Tech

The civilized way is due process for an inquiry then if necessary a trial. Rioters should compensate the state for damage to its property.

We need to see the results of due process and where necessary query them in a civilized manner. Organised mob hysteria should have no place in a just society.

"Organized mob hysteria" is the result of people losing confidence in our political and legal institutions. People tend not to like when the police are empowered to kill whoever they want and not go to jail for it. The more people continue to lose confidence in the system, the worse it gets.

Not really. Stirred up by Marxist and anarchist groups who don't want to wait for the inquiry then the trial. A proper inquiry and possible trial should determine the most likely chain of events and whether the cop acted in response to a real or perceived threat. If there is disagreement with any findings, there is still room for protest.

ANTIFA/BLM/BAMN and other members of the Idiocracy have already determined what happened and are inciting the mobs and are not interested in due process.
 
Regarding this person who clearly put themselves at risk of harm, they were intersexed.

Derec said:
Was he even on hormones?

Derec, everyone has hormones. [ETA: for the reader, wondering why I gave this answer, the context of Derec's question is that I wrote that maybe Scout's depression was due to their hormones, i.e, hormone imbalance, not actually taking hormones, but Derec either misunderstood or decided to crack a joke at the dead person's expense.]

Derec said:
P.S.: Am I the only one who finds the idea of a computer engineer who identifies as "non-binary" highly ironic.

Binary is the fundamental building block of representations of things within computers but most representations are not a single bit but instead multiple bytes. In the case of a person, if you want to represent such person with various attributes in a computer model or record, you are going to use many storage sizes for fields that are non-single-bit. In the specific case of someone who is intersexed or otherwise atypical, you might run into trouble with your model not being robust enough. Similar analogy, suppose you are representing sex chromosomes of each person in a field called "chromosomal sex." So you let 0 be a representation for XX and 1 be a representation for XY and you've got this as a bit. Now later you find out there are also other chromosomal configurations such as X0 and XXY (not to mention others).

You can either accept that your single-bit designation was not good enough and extend it to cover other cases, or you can become a right-wing social justice warrior, decrying the woes of a world more complicated than your god told you about when he allegedly wrote down 5000 years ago how he stole a rib from Adam to make Eve.

The prevailing wisdom in law enforcement advises furnishing officers with as many tools as possible, including Tasers, said Sue Riseling, the executive director of International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators. When Riseling was police chief at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, she found it useful to give her officers stun guns. Should one be deployed correctly, she said, it allows officers precious seconds to possibly grab a subject while the stun gun freezes the muscles. The Taser also gives more range than does pepper spray, which is can be affected by the wind, she said.

Riseling outlined ways officers can try to soothe a subject -- this can be complicated, depending on if the person will listen and speak with a police officer, which is sometimes the most successful way to de-escalate a situation.

Analyzing the Georgia Tech shooting off a video may seem easy, but it shows just a single perspective, said Riseling, adding that waiting for the results of the investigation is vital. She said officers are generally trained to back away from an advancing subject, even someone with a weapon, but at some time police need to “make a judgment call.”
Certain drugs, like PCP, for instance, increase strength in certain people, or make them unpredictable, Riseling said.

“At some point this comes to a head … and you may have to go with a lethal alternative,” she said. “That’s gut-wrenching, but that’s sometimes where it goes.”
Her organization offers reviews of police procedures should an institution request it. Wallace would not provide Georgia Tech policy documents that defined under what circumstances an officer should fire a weapon, directing a reporter to file a public records request.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news...gia-techs-decision-withhold-tasers-questioned

Hmmmm....
 
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Regarding this person who clearly put themselves at risk of harm, they were intersexed.
Do you know that for a fact? You cant't really go by things he was calling himself.
There are people who are genuinely intersex, and there are people who are genuinely transgender.
However, I have noticed a rather disturbing trend of many college students identifying as such (in addition to a myriad new designations and attendant bizarre pronouns)simply because it is trendy.

It's like "gluten free". There are people genuinely sensitive to gluten, but most people going "gluten-free" are annoying hipsters simply riding a trend, liked fixed wheel bikes or Pabst.

Derec, everyone has hormones.
No shit Sherlock! I never would have guessed!
[ETA: for the reader, wondering why I gave this answer, the context of Derec's question is that I wrote that maybe Scout's depression was due to their hormones, i.e, hormone imbalance, not actually taking hormones, but Derec either misunderstood or decided to crack a joke at the dead person's expense.
I thought you were referring to hormone treatment. Hormone imbalance is much more likely when you take hormones for express purpose of altering some secondary sex characteristics.
Binary is the fundamental building block of representations of things within computers but most representations are not a single bit but instead multiple bytes.
No shit Turing! I would have never guessed that computers operate with more than a single bit. Here I was, painstakingly composing this post one bit at a time.

In the case of a person, if you want to represent such person with various attributes in a computer model or record, you are going to use many storage sizes for fields that are non-single-bit. In the specific case of someone who is intersexed or otherwise atypical, you might run into trouble with your model not being robust enough.
Unlike the hormone thing, the non-binary computer engineer thing was a joke.

You can either accept that your single-bit designation was not good enough and extend it to cover other cases, or you can become a right-wing social justice warrior, decrying the woes of a world more complicated than your god told you about when he allegedly wrote down 5000 years ago how he stole a rib from Adam to make Eve.
I think even YECers accept that there is such thing as intersex. But intersex individuals are rare. Transgender individuals are rare. We should accept them as individuals, but not raise a rare exception to the rule. Cis is normative not because of "patriarchy" or "transphobia" or "Adam and Eve", but because >99% of the population are cis.

And as I said, what is going on at college campuses with all the self-identification as "non-binary" etc. is very much like "gluten free". A rare, but real, thing becomes a fake trend.

Hmmmm....
What exactly are you hmmmming about?
 
Would Antifa have reacted this way had he not identified as non-gendered?

Most certainly not. Btw, this is the kind of messaging they engaged in after the Schultz shooting.
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"Cops of campus", free reign to criminals. Btw, one of those arrested (the one who looks like he wears a very bad piece) is a GSU student according to this video.
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"Bash back" with a hammer...
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Of course, they reserve the right to define "Nazi" as anybody who disagrees with them, thus giving them licence to be violent.
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More calls for violence in the name of revenge.
 
"Organized mob hysteria" is the result of people losing confidence in our political and legal institutions. People tend not to like when the police are empowered to kill whoever they want and not go to jail for it. The more people continue to lose confidence in the system, the worse it gets.

This is not about "people losing confidence". It's about political radicals opposed to police in general.
Police do not "kill whomever they want" anyway. That is a gross distortion of facts.
 
Would Antifa have reacted this way had he not identified as non-gendered?

Most certainly not. Btw, this is the kind of messaging they engaged in after the Schultz shooting.
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"Cops of campus", free reign to criminals. Btw, one of those arrested (the one who looks like he wears a very bad piece) is a GSU student according to this video.
DKGFNlvXUAU8L9N.jpg

"Bash back" with a hammer...
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Of course, they reserve the right to define "Nazi" as anybody who disagrees with them, thus giving them licence to be violent.
DKMMNuoW0AYT7ap.jpg

More calls for violence in the name of revenge.

I find it humorous that you of all people are now whining about 'violent speech'.
 
Nazis should get more than a punch in the face. I'm sick and tired of those crybabies. Police should probably be the ones doing it, but they're too busy killing deaf people and otherwise fucking up.
 
Would Antifa have reacted this way had he not identified as non-gendered?

Essentially those who sheep up to joint ANTIFA riots (armed demonstrations) are simply marionettes. Non-gendered or ethnic minority deaths can whip up a froth in a mob, but the philosophy of the Marxist overlords is violent revolution starting in the streets is the solution to gaining power.
 
Nazis should get more than a punch in the face. I'm sick and tired of those crybabies. Police should probably be the ones doing it, but they're too busy killing deaf people and otherwise fucking up.

No doubt Nazis, deserve more but they are allowed to demonstrate non-violently. We don't know the circumstances surrounding the killing of the deaf person until due process as been exercised.
 
I find it humorous that you of all people are now whining about 'violent speech'.
Why?

The Antifas are showing their violent nature in both word and deed. But they largely get a pass because of their leftist ideology.
 
I don't even know where to begin with Derec's triggered op, but I will say this. This person clearly wanted to at least risk death. It's true.

Why? That would be difficult to figure out. Maybe and I am reaching here...maybe they thought so little of their life that they could make a point from their own unnecessary death. For example, why don't police at the campus headquarters carry non-lethal weapons to be used against weak people with unopened pocket knives?

So, again, I don't know if there was an actual point to this person's suicide by cop or risk of suicide by cop, but if there were, then why was it necessary?

A lot of you don't believe in suicide by cop. He was presenting a very clear case of it--false report of a threat, multiple suicide notes, got shot by the cops. How can you read this other than as intentional?
 
The attorney for Schultz’s family said that the campus police overreacted and asked why the situation couldn’t have been handled by nonlethal measures. A statement on the Georgia Bureau of Investigation’s website announced that the agency was investigating the shooting at the request of the campus police department. “Officers provided multiple verbal commands and attempted to speak with Shultz [sic] who was not cooperative and would not comply with the officers’ commands,” the agency said in the statement. “Shultz continued to advance on the officers with the knife.”

WSB-TV reported that the knife looked like a “metal, flip-open multitool knife that would likely include a small blade.”

The attorney for the family told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that the student never rushed the officers and that the blade of the knife was not extended. “Why didn’t they use some nonlethal force, like pepper spray or Tasers?” Schultz’s mother said to the newspaper. A Georgia Tech spokesperson told the paper that the campus police do not carry Tasers.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...nt_wielding_pocket_knife_shot_and_killed.html

I am wondering why the campus police do not carry non-lethal weapons. If they are in a situation that requires a weapon then there are two cases:
1. it requires a lethal weapon, then good for them.
2. it requires a weapon, but not a lethal one. then uh-oh?

Why is such a gap okay with some people in this forum?

How will this gap get rectified?

It would help if you guys had even a basic understanding of police procedure.

Non-lethal means are not used in response to lethal threats other than as part of a pre-planned maneuver where another cop with a real gun backs up the guy using the taser. The problem is that they are nowhere near 100% and they are single-shot weapons. (And you can't have two cops try it, either--that pretty much ensures they both fail.)

Tasers are used in response to non-lethal situations as they have been found to have a lower risk of injury and death than the nightstick and hands-on application of force.
 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...nt_wielding_pocket_knife_shot_and_killed.html

I am wondering why the campus police do not carry non-lethal weapons. If they are in a situation that requires a weapon then there are two cases:
1. it requires a lethal weapon, then good for them.
2. it requires a weapon, but not a lethal one. then uh-oh?

Why is such a gap okay with some people in this forum?

How will this gap get rectified?

It would help if you guys had even a basic understanding of police procedure...
The entire issue is the determination of what constitutes a lethal threat. Duh.

Furthermore, "suicide by cop" may be a description of the intent of the victim, but there is no compelling reason for the police to assist people committing suicide.
 
The dead guy was quite disturbed and it was almost certainly suicide by cop.


Why is that a thing.

No cop worth his badge would ever kill one who wasn't actually lethal. Walking around with  Leatherman multi-tool doesn't qualify as being lethal, nor does slowly walking toward one who isn't without other recourse meet resort to deadly self defense measures.

So let's change the topic to outside agitators eh.

So it's going to be a trial about a poor cop threatened by outsiders rather than a stupid cop carelessly taking life.

I routinely carry a leatherman multi-tool. I can't imagine effectively cutting anyone with it (the knife is unimpressive) but it certainly could stab (the scissors are very sharp and very pointy) and if you knew what you were doing it certainly could be lethal.
 
"Organized mob hysteria" is the result of people losing confidence in our political and legal institutions. People tend not to like when the police are empowered to kill whoever they want and not go to jail for it. The more people continue to lose confidence in the system, the worse it gets.

The problem is that it's based on deception.

If there really were a bunch of unjustified police shootings there would be no reason for them to riot about apparently proper shootings. The fact that we keep seeing riots on false pretenses shows it's agitators stirring up trouble, not a true reflection of the situation.

(And, strangely, they almost never riot over the actual wrongful shootings.)
 
And as I said, what is going on at college campuses with all the self-identification as "non-binary" etc. is very much like "gluten free". A rare, but real, thing becomes a fake trend.

I'm not so sure on this.

I think the actual problem is that gender is never binary, but a range. The traditional view is you're either a man or a woman, you're either straight or you're gay.

Now there is at least some acceptance of bisexuality. I think gender works in a similar fashion--there are a range of behaviors that are classed as "male" or "female" but which really are just behaviors. Such inter-gendered behavior from women is generally accepted, we just call her a tomboy and don't make an issue of it. However, we aren't so accepting of it from men--what we are seeing is men who aren't 100.00% male behavior and they think transgendered when in reality they lie far closer to "male" than "female".
 
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