Violent riots underway in Kenosha, WI

[TV and credit cards]

Perhaps the cops could have made more of an effort to keep Blake from walking around the vehicle. Beyond that, they can’t wait to see if he turns with a gun in his hand. It’s too late then.
Sadly the Dems are married to this. Every black guy shot by a cop up until the election, they’re gonna wear it.

It’s doubtful any of these shootings get prosecuted with our current laws. But that will be 2021’s problem. God help us Dickhead is still president. There will be forces out in the streets.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't get it. Guy has cops pointing guns at him commanding him to stop. He just shakes it off and reaches into his car. This is Darwin Award territory.

You don't get it?

Maybe you didn't see the video.

The funny thing about people pointing guns at your back is that you can't actually see any guns pointed at your back. The funny thing about owning a car is that you are allowed to touch it without getting other people's permission. The funny thing about people telling you what to do is sometimes those instructions are contradictory and sometimes you can't actually hear those instructions at all. The funny thing about reaching into automobiles is that they contain a lot of things that AREN'T dangerous. The funny thing about trying to safely arrest an unarmed suspect is it is a heck of a lot faster and effective if you are using your hands (not your words) to restrain the suspect. The funny thing about executing a person for failing to comply is that it isn't a capital crime.

I saw the video, I expected to find a bunch of people defending this guy. What keeps being missed (I've waded through a long discussion elsewhere on this shooting) is that it doesn't even matter if there was a gun in the car. There is a deadly weapon in plain sight here--his car. Of course the cops aren't going to allow him to get control of it, any more than they would allow him to pick up a gun.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The issue is that the police are specifically trained to shoot based on their fear not on the actual situation. That is the outrage, as any decent human being can see.

Police are not omniscient. They have to go by observables. Like a suspect deliberately moving toward the car and then getting in, while being held at gunpoint.
Fear is just a manifestation of risk assessment using their knowledge of the situation, which is by necessity incomplete. They cannot know for sure whether he has a gun in the car. But he is BEHAVING like somebody who does and like somebody intent on getting to that gun.

Then they get the gun. And IFF they decide to use it THEN a violent response is called for.

What part of "they haven't committed a crime or created a real threat" do you not understand?

And you know what? Maybe a cop gets shot. Accepting this risk is part of the cost of having power, as I see it. If you can't accept the risk of having shots fired at you before firing back, get out of the police force.

This isn't Hollywood. If he gets his hands on a gun he has a good chance of taking some of the police with him if he uses it.

 

[TSwizzle]

I don't get it. Guy has cops pointing guns at him commanding him to stop. He just shakes it off and reaches into his car. This is Darwin Award territory.

Is this possibly a "suicide by cop" thing ?

 

[ruby sparks]

I don't get it. Guy has cops pointing guns at him commanding him to stop. He just shakes it off and reaches into his car. This is Darwin Award territory.

Is this possibly a "suicide by cop" thing ?

Could be. Hard to tell. We don't know what led up to this. He might look a bit drunk, the way he walked around the car? But on the other hand (in another video taken from the opposite side) he was on the ground just before (on the kerb side of the car) and it looked like someone was attacking him, so he may just have been disoriented. Whatever the reasons, he acted very unwisely indeed.

 

[Arctish]

Watch now: Officer reportedly hit with brick during unrest in Kenosha following shooting

Video from the scene shows the officer walking next to a police vehicle when the officer suddenly falls to the ground, and multiple other officers move quickly to aid the downed officer. Shouts of "Officer down!" were heard on the police scanner.

I hope they catch the bastard and that he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law!

Hundreds of demonstrators have taken to the streets in what some are calling riots in Kenosha. Rocks and bricks have been thrown, and at least one molotov cocktail being thrown has been reported, as is property damage. One police vehicle was reportedly "stomped" and then later towed away.

Scanner reports also indicate that an armored Bearcat vehicle was damaged by protesters.

According to scanner reports, a Boost Mobile was looted. "I think we can just leave it be. I don't think we have resources available," an officer was heard saying over the scanner just before 10:30 p.m. after hearing about the Boost Mobile looting.

Same goes for the rest of the rioters.

The cause of the riots is that some thug got shot and wounded by police. The Democratic governor is already jumping to conclusions and stoking the flames instead of calling to hold off judgment until an investigation is done.
Did you catch that? He acknowledges that we do not "have all of the details yet" but he is already calling the shooting "needless" and in another tweet accusing local officials of "racism" without any evidence. What a disgrace this guy is! Even worse than Scott Walker, and that takes some doing!

Did you catch that? Derec acknowledges that we do not "have all of the details yet" but he is already calling the guy who got shot a thug. He must be using definition 2.

Was the person in the video black? Was the person in the video not complying with police?

The person in the video therefore deserved to die was automatically innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, and entitled to the full protection of the Constitution at all times and police who view people as threats based on skin tone alone are a bunch of racists.

That's the core of what's at the "Black Lives Matter" thing.

There you go. Fixed the core of #BLM for you.

There you go. I fixed your fix so that it more accurately describes core of #BLM.

 

[Toni]

I hope they catch the bastard and that he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law!

Just once, I wish you'd write the same thing about police shooting an unarmed person.

And do a little investigation into the past deeds of the police.

I know it won't happen.

But I wish it would.

 

[Toni]

There are plenty of videos showing how quickly cops get shot when the non-compliant assailant reaches into the vehicle for something. Cops are specifically trained on this. Spare us your faux outrage.

The issue is that the police are specifically trained to shoot based on their fear not on the actual situation. That is the outrage, as any decent human being can see.

The issue is that police keep shooting unarmed people—in the back, in front of their kids, in their own bed, playing in the park, combinations of these...

These shootings do not happen in other countries.

 

[laughing dog]

Then they get the gun. And IFF they decide to use it THEN a violent response is called for.

What part of "they haven't committed a crime or created a real threat" do you not understand?

And you know what? Maybe a cop gets shot. Accepting this risk is part of the cost of having power, as I see it. If you can't accept the risk of having shots fired at you before firing back, get out of the police force.

This isn't Hollywood. If he gets his hands on a gun he has a good chance of taking some of the police with him if he uses it.

Your fears are not reality.

 

[Arctish]

I don't get it. Guy has cops pointing guns at him commanding him to stop. He just shakes it off and reaches into his car. This is Darwin Award territory.

Is this possibly a "suicide by cop" thing ?

Could be. Hard to tell. We don't know what led up to this. He might look a bit drunk, the way he walked around the car? But on the other hand (in another video taken from the opposite side) he was on the ground just before (on the kerb side of the car) and it looked like someone was attacking him, so he may just have been disoriented. Whatever the reasons, he acted very unwisely indeed.

Or it could be that he hadn't broken any laws, had already had a long enough conversation with the cops to establish that they had no grounds to arrest him, and was fed up with being harassed and detained.

Now, there are those who think Constitutional rights are only for white people. There are some who believe the proper response to the police is to immediately begin licking their boots and not stop until the cop tells you to crawl away. But there are some who understand that if the cops don't have grounds to arrest you and haven't actually arrested you, you have the right to go about your business unimpeded.

We'll have to wait for more information before we know if the cops had grounds to arrest Mr. Blake. We'll have to wait for the audio before we'll know if they were in the process of arresting him when he walked away. Because, sad to say, it could very well be he asked them directly if he was under arrest, they hemmed and hawed, he walked away, and they decided after they shot him that he was resisting an arrest they weren't making.

 

[ruby sparks]

From what I read, police say they had tased him. That would explain why he was on the ground. In the video Trausti posted, a man was tased, got up and then went to the front driver's side of his car, reached in, pulled a gun and shot two police officers. Jacob Blake had apparently previously pulled a gun on someone while drunk in a bar.

 

[ruby sparks]

Could be. Hard to tell. We don't know what led up to this. He might look a bit drunk, the way he walked around the car? But on the other hand (in another video taken from the opposite side) he was on the ground just before (on the kerb side of the car) and it looked like someone was attacking him, so he may just have been disoriented. Whatever the reasons, he acted very unwisely indeed.

Or it could be that he hadn't broken any laws, had already had a long enough conversation with the cops to establish that they had no grounds to arrest him, and was fed up with being harassed and detained.

Now, there are those who think Constitutional rights are only for white people. There are some who believe the proper response to the police is to immediately begin licking their boots and not stop until the cop tells you to crawl away. But there are some who understand that if the cops don't have grounds to arrest you and haven't actually arrested you, you have the right to go about your business unimpeded.

We'll have to wait for more information before we know if the cops had grounds to arrest Mr. Blake. We'll have to wait for the audio before we'll know if they were in the process of arresting him when he walked away. Because, sad to say, it could very well be he asked them directly if he was under arrest, they hemmed and hawed, he walked away, and they decided after they shot him that he was resisting an arrest they weren't making.

Sure. I know. It's a terrible incident, and I'm not committing to making a call on who was at fault. Absent an announcement that a gun was found in the car or in his hand, it does seem like another shooting of an unarmed man in the back. I read that his 3 young sons were in the car at the time. Hard to imagine how traumatised they are.

 

[RVonse]

Same Jacob Blake, from 5 years ago.

Police: K9 Dozer Helps Subdue Man Who Pulled Gun at Bar

Jacob Blake, 24, of Racine, was charged Monday in Racine County Circuit Court with one felony count of resisting arrest causing a soft tissue injury to a police officer and one misdemeanor count each of carrying a concealed weapon, carrying a firearm while intoxicated, endangering safety-use of a dangerous weapon, and disorderly conduct. If convicted, he will face up to 8-1/2 years in prison and/or up to $50,000 in fines.
According to the criminal complaint, Blake and two women were at the Brass Monkey tavern, 1436 Junction Avenue, Saturday when Blake got into an argument with another patron and pulled a black handgun. Blake pointed the gun at the other man, and the magazine fell to the floor. The bartender told Blake to leave, and he did but then pointed the gun through the window at patrons inside the bar before walking south on Junction Avenue.
[...]
Believing the driver was armed, police conducted a high risk traffic stop, the complaint reads, and ordered Blake to put his hands out the window of the vehicle. Instead, Blake exited the SUV and started walking toward officers and ignored commands to get down on the ground. Officers forced Blake to the ground and ordered him to put his hands behind his back. When Blake refused to comply, K9 Dozer was deployed to force the defendant into compliance.

So he has a history of violent crime, violently resisting arrest and illegally possessing firearms. I wonder if he was going for his gun when he was shot.

The shooting:


This article also states that he had outstanding warrants:
Jacob Blake Named as Man Shot in Kenosha, Wisconsin Police Shooting

According to Wisconsin Circuit Court Access online records, a Jacob S. Blake, same age and with an address in the same exact block where the shooting occurred, had a warrant issued for him on July 7 on pending accusations of misdemeanor criminal trespass to a dwelling with domestic abuse as a modifier; felony third-degree sexual assault with domestic abuse as a modifier; and misdemeanor disorderly conduct with domestic abuse as a modifier.

Just the kind of guy #BLMers love to champion! Next his face will be on all the murals!

But I am sure the MSM will not focus on his history of violence or his warrants, but will dwell on his reproductive status, as if that was relevant.

There's only two things I can see the police might have done better:

1. They should have provided more physical resistance and commands to stop progress to the drivers front door.
2. Although the shooting was correct, one or two shots could reasonably be enough to stop the suspects progress. I counted 7 shots which IMO is overdone to the point they are just shooting at a dead corpse. Their goal should be to halt progress rather than kill.

 

[RVonse]

I don't get it. Guy has cops pointing guns at him commanding him to stop. He just shakes it off and reaches into his car. This is Darwin Award territory.

That was so good.

 

[laughing dog]

Could be. Hard to tell. We don't know what led up to this. He might look a bit drunk, the way he walked around the car? But on the other hand (in another video taken from the opposite side) he was on the ground just before (on the kerb side of the car) and it looked like someone was attacking him, so he may just have been disoriented. Whatever the reasons, he acted very unwisely indeed.

Or it could be that he hadn't broken any laws, had already had a long enough conversation with the cops to establish that they had no grounds to arrest him, and was fed up with being harassed and detained.

Now, there are those who think Constitutional rights are only for white people. There are some who believe the proper response to the police is to immediately begin licking their boots and not stop until the cop tells you to crawl away. But there are some who understand that if the cops don't have grounds to arrest you and haven't actually arrested you, you have the right to go about your business unimpeded.

We'll have to wait for more information before we know if the cops had grounds to arrest Mr. Blake. We'll have to wait for the audio before we'll know if they were in the process of arresting him when he walked away. Because, sad to say, it could very well be he asked them directly if he was under arrest, they hemmed and hawed, he walked away, and they decided after they shot him that he was resisting an arrest they weren't making.

Sure. I know. It's a terrible incident, and I'm not committing to making a call on who was at fault. Absent an announcement that a gun was found in the car or in his hand, it does seem like another shooting of an unarmed man in the back. I read that his 3 young sons were in the car at the time. Hard to imagine how traumatised they are.

You mean these police opened fire knowing there were 3 children in the car under the assumption he had a firearm? WTF is wrong with people.

 

[Toni]

Could be. Hard to tell. We don't know what led up to this. He might look a bit drunk, the way he walked around the car? But on the other hand (in another video taken from the opposite side) he was on the ground just before (on the kerb side of the car) and it looked like someone was attacking him, so he may just have been disoriented. Whatever the reasons, he acted very unwisely indeed.

Or it could be that he hadn't broken any laws, had already had a long enough conversation with the cops to establish that they had no grounds to arrest him, and was fed up with being harassed and detained.

Now, there are those who think Constitutional rights are only for white people. There are some who believe the proper response to the police is to immediately begin licking their boots and not stop until the cop tells you to crawl away. But there are some who understand that if the cops don't have grounds to arrest you and haven't actually arrested you, you have the right to go about your business unimpeded.

We'll have to wait for more information before we know if the cops had grounds to arrest Mr. Blake. We'll have to wait for the audio before we'll know if they were in the process of arresting him when he walked away. Because, sad to say, it could very well be he asked them directly if he was under arrest, they hemmed and hawed, he walked away, and they decided after they shot him that he was resisting an arrest they weren't making.

Sure. I know. It's a terrible incident, and I'm not committing to making a call on who was at fault. Absent an announcement that a gun was found in the car or in his hand, it does seem like another shooting of an unarmed man in the back. I read that his 3 young sons were in the car at the time. Hard to imagine how traumatised they are.

Regardless of whether there was a gun in the car, it WAS another shooting of an unarmed black man. In the back. In front of his kids.

 

[Toni]

Sure. I know. It's a terrible incident, and I'm not committing to making a call on who was at fault. Absent an announcement that a gun was found in the car or in his hand, it does seem like another shooting of an unarmed man in the back. I read that his 3 young sons were in the car at the time. Hard to imagine how traumatised they are.

You mean these police opened fire knowing there were 3 children in the car under the assumption he had a firearm? WTF is wrong with people.

Fear and racism and rank cowardice. That’s what’s wrong with people.

 

[Arctish]

The most recently updated Washington Post article on the shooting of Jacob Blake has this:

Police have not commented on what led to the shooting. By Monday afternoon, nearly a full day after the shooting, public officials had only released scant details of what had happened, even as video footage from the incident had spread widely and drawn national scrutiny.

Stella London, who lives in the area, and her daughters said Monday they think Blake was breaking up a fight between two women over a scratch on one of their cars and police just “assumed” he was a problem.

“It all came from a scratched vehicle. It’s just so sad,” said Sheila Winters, 65.

The women worry that if Blake does not survive, their city will become consumed by violence.

Blake was attending his 3-year-old son’s birthday party on the lawn of his apartment building, according to Marie, a 23-year-old who said she watched what happened and spoke on the condition that her last name not be used.

At some point, Marie said, an argument began between two women. When a police officer approached, Blake was standing near the car in the street and one of the women directed police toward him, Marie said.

The officer “didn’t ask questions” and “just grabbed” Blake, Marie said, and tried to use a Taser to stun him, which did not work. Then Blake walked to the front of the car, she said, and was shot by police.

If ^this^ is accurate, then the shooting appears to be another instance of the police escalating a minor matter into a deadly confrontation.

 

[Patooka]

I don't get it. Guy has cops pointing guns at him commanding him to stop. He just shakes it off and reaches into his car. This is Darwin Award territory.

I've told cops to go and get fucked. I've called them cunt-stables. I have pissed on a cop car.

Funny how I am still alive. Weird huh? Because obviously I deserve the death penalty.

 

[Toni]

From what I read, police say they had tased him. That would explain why he was on the ground. In the video Trausti posted, a man was tased, got up and then went to the front driver's side of his car, reached in, pulled a gun and shot two police officers. Jacob Blake had apparently previously pulled a gun on someone while drunk in a bar.

Which the police would not have known.