Visual imagination, dreams and visual hallucinations

[excreationist]

For my visual imagination it is #1 (but semi-spatial especially before my last hospitalisation). For my dreams it is #2. Since I had ECT treatments I started to occasionally have hallucinations in bed from #2 to #5.

 

[DBT]

Takes a while but eventually the image builds to a 3 with a hint of 4. Perhaps in between.

 

[fromderinside]

Don't think mind's eye is involved. More likely one is seeing afterimage modulated by seeing of light coming through one's eyelid.

Never give ground to anyone who even vaguely broaches the topic of introspection. Such can never be more that a missing of actual variables essential to perceiving.

 

[Angry Floof]

#6. Same with dreams. If there is a red star in my dream, it looks like #6.

 

[Minnemooseus]

Awake - #2 at best, more like 1.5. Occasionally better, but it seems to be a rare random event.

Dreams - Probably #3, but there is the rare random event of a 6 happening. Maybe also long stretches of 0.

Of course, i'm processing my dream content when awake, so that rare dream 6 becomes a 1.5.

IIRC, it's thought that about 4% of people have aphantasia.

Moose

ABE - I think there is an earlier aphantasia topic somewhere at this forum.

 

[Elixir]

#6. Same with dreams. If there is a red star in my dream, it looks like #6.

Exactly. Sometimes even more so.

 

[skepticalbip]

#6. Same with dreams. If there is a red star in my dream, it looks like #6.

Exactly. Sometimes even more so.

I am actually somewhat surprised to find (in this thread) that this isn't normal. I thought everyone experienced dreams like me where everything was like real life even including sense of touch.

 

[Minnemooseus]

ABE - I think there is an earlier aphantasia topic somewhere at this forum.

For whatever it's worth, it was at the old Secular Cafe:

https://scarchives.org/viewtopic.ph...e's+mind&sid=5a7c404c4d22e020b269b9e5a8bf4eae

BTW - How about a link on the homepage, for scarchives.org? I had to track it down by doing a search for "secular cafe" in the topics here.

Moose

 

[Angry Floof]

#6. Same with dreams. If there is a red star in my dream, it looks like #6.

Exactly. Sometimes even more so.

I am actually somewhat surprised to find (in this thread) that this isn't normal. I thought everyone experienced dreams like me where everything was like real life even including sense of touch.

Me, too. I would have thought, at most, that it's a small fraction of people who don't visualize color just like their eyeballs see it.

I remember learning that a lot of people dream in grayscale, which also surprised me.

 

[DBT]

Probably not necessarily one or the other. I get both dim, dark dreams in grey scale and lucid dreams in full Technicolor.

 

[Elixir]

I am actually somewhat surprised to find (in this thread) that this isn't normal. I thought everyone experienced dreams like me where everything was like real life even including sense of touch.

Me, too. I would have thought, at most, that it's a small fraction of people who don't visualize color just like their eyeballs see it.

I remember learning that a lot of people dream in grayscale, which also surprised me.

Interesting... this thread has caused me to re-visit some of the most memorable dreams I ever had. One dream, some 50 years ago, stuck with me. It wasn't totally grayscale, but not full color either. Mostly muted military colors and dull or fading light. It was also violent (gunfire, prison break), which is rare for my dreams. But the rest of them that I can recall were all in full technicolor.