Vocal feminist murdered after months of threats

[J842P]

"Roommate" is often used as "unmarried romantic partner".

Nowadays, it is pretty common around campuses for men and women to be roommates without any romantic involvement. According to this source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044470/Judge-s-daughter-20-choked-death-male-college-roommate-University-Mary-Washington-home-shared.html), the victim and 2 other women lived in the house along with the alleged murderer.

Right. This was my point. It seemed Trausti was implying that they were in fact romantically involved because it is implausible that a male and female would live together as roommates without being romantically involved.

Of course, this is a dated view of the world. Even after college many people in their 20's live with a roommate of the opposite sex without there being a romantic relationship.

In other words, to answer Trausti's question, it is normal.

 

[thebeave]

If I were a betting man, I would say that the feminist and the rugby roommate guy were having a previously undisclosed, unknown love affair. Strangulation deaths are very personal tend to be more common when passion and intimacy are involved.

Would your conjecture change if you found out the cause of the strangulation was a plastic bag stuffed down her throat? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044470/Judge-s-daughter-20-choked-death-male-college-roommate-University-Mary-Washington-home-shared.html

Not sure what to make of a plastic bag down the throat. Strangulation to me implies clamping of hands (or garrot) around the throat. A plastic bag in the throat would be classified as a death by asphyxiation, no? Maybe there's some kind of kinky autoerotic asphyxiation thing with a plastic bag that I don't know about.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah, this sounds like domestic violence, not anti-feminist sentiment.

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Ah, thanks for the corrections, everyone. I completely missed the "by her roommate" part (brain fart), and the entire rest of the article focuses on the threats.

"Roommate" is often used as "unmarried romantic partner".

If I were a betting man, I would say that the feminist and the rugby roommate guy were having a previously undisclosed, unknown love affair. Strangulation deaths are very personal tend to be more common when passion and intimacy are involved.

"Roommate" is often used as "unmarried romantic partner".

Nowadays, it is pretty common around campuses for men and women to be roommates without any romantic involvement. According to this source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044470/Judge-s-daughter-20-choked-death-male-college-roommate-University-Mary-Washington-home-shared.html), the victim and 2 other women lived in the house along with the alleged murderer.

Off campus it wasn't exactly unusual even when I was in college--plenty of people rented out rooms without caring about gender. A platonic pair sharing a bedroom would be surprising, sharing a dwelling was not.

However, as the beave says, strangulation suggests there was more going on between them.

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Would your conjecture change if you found out the cause of the strangulation was a plastic bag stuffed down her throat? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044470/Judge-s-daughter-20-choked-death-male-college-roommate-University-Mary-Washington-home-shared.html

Not sure what to make of a plastic bag down the throat. Strangulation to me implies clamping of hands (or garrot) around the throat. A plastic bag in the throat would be classified as a death by asphyxiation, no? Maybe there's some kind of kinky autoerotic asphyxiation thing with a plastic bag that I don't know about.

Asphyxiation? I would be more inclined to call it suffocation.

 

[fast]

Ah, thanks for the corrections, everyone. I completely missed the "by her roommate" part (brain fart), and the entire rest of the article focuses on the threats.

That's OK. It's actually kind of cute when you go on your misguided rants. It's like having our own little version of Emily Litella:

I think that's the shortest video I've ever watched.

 

[J842P]

Of course, it is possible that a romantic relationship existed between the victim and the suspected killer. However, people that know them say they were just roommates, and I don't think there is any reason to believe there was a clandestine relationship going on. I can't really find any good details, but the victim seems to have been either strangled or somehow asphyxiated with plastic bags, and I think was otherwise bound. Perhaps that's a very personal way to murder someone, but even without a romantic relationship going on, people living in the same place can get into pretty serious personal disagreements over petty things that boil over into physical violence, it's not exactly unheard of.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Of course, it is possible that a romantic relationship existed between the victim and the suspected killer. However, people that know them say they were just roommates, and I don't think there is any reason to believe there was a clandestine relationship going on. I can't really find any good details, but the victim seems to have been either strangled or somehow asphyxiated with plastic bags, and I think was otherwise bound. Perhaps that's a very personal way to murder someone, but even without a romantic relationship going on, people living in the same place can get into pretty serious personal disagreements over petty things that boil over into physical violence, it's not exactly unheard of.

Another possibility: There was nothing going on because she turned him down. He eventually snapped.

 

[Jarhyn]

The awfulness of her murder, even if it were done in retaliation for her feminist views, doesn't make her feminist views any more justified in her level of abject outrage.

Being a little uncomfortable because of rugby players singing a ridiculous chant about a woman who doesn't exist does not justify aggressively attacking and posturing against the men doing it. It does not win allies nor is it productive when most people are generally good, particularly if you approach such things in a socially acceptable way. If instead of 'this is bullshit stop doing it at once' you make friends with the people doing it, and open up with them about it, and how it distresses you, they'll stop. It involves being a decent human being and taking time and being patient.

She WAS doing it wrong and her death does not validate her behavior. I want to see her jackass roommate imprisoned and if possible, corrected, but her approach to settling her grievance with the rugby players was not justified or acceptable.

 

[dismal]

Where are Warpoet and the boys to point out this is what you get if you antagonize rugby players with your speech?

 

[Toni]

Yeah, this sounds like domestic violence, not anti-feminist sentiment.

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Ah, thanks for the corrections, everyone. I completely missed the "by her roommate" part (brain fart), and the entire rest of the article focuses on the threats.

"Roommate" is often used as "unmarried romantic partner".

If I were a betting man, I would say that the feminist and the rugby roommate guy were having a previously undisclosed, unknown love affair. Strangulation deaths are very personal tend to be more common when passion and intimacy are involved.

"Roommate" is often used as "unmarried romantic partner".

Nowadays, it is pretty common around campuses for men and women to be roommates without any romantic involvement. According to this source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044470/Judge-s-daughter-20-choked-death-male-college-roommate-University-Mary-Washington-home-shared.html), the victim and 2 other women lived in the house along with the alleged murderer.

Off campus it wasn't exactly unusual even when I was in college--plenty of people rented out rooms without caring about gender. A platonic pair sharing a bedroom would be surprising, sharing a dwelling was not.

However, as the beave says, strangulation suggests there was more going on between them.

You mean, a la The Boston Strangler murders?

Would your conjecture change if you found out the cause of the strangulation was a plastic bag stuffed down her throat? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044470/Judge-s-daughter-20-choked-death-male-college-roommate-University-Mary-Washington-home-shared.html

Not sure what to make of a plastic bag down the throat. Strangulation to me implies clamping of hands (or garrot) around the throat. A plastic bag in the throat would be classified as a death by asphyxiation, no? Maybe there's some kind of kinky autoerotic asphyxiation thing with a plastic bag that I don't know about.

Asphyxiation? I would be more inclined to call it suffocation.

Seems like murder to me.

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Where are Warpoet and the boys to point out this is what you get if you antagonize rugby players with your speech?

The incident seems to speak for itself.

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The awfulness of her murder, even if it were done in retaliation for her feminist views, doesn't make her feminist views any more justified in her level of abject outrage.

Being a little uncomfortable because of rugby players singing a ridiculous chant about a woman who doesn't exist does not justify aggressively attacking and posturing against the men doing it. It does not win allies nor is it productive when most people are generally good, particularly if you approach such things in a socially acceptable way. If instead of 'this is bullshit stop doing it at once' you make friends with the people doing it, and open up with them about it, and how it distresses you, they'll stop. It involves being a decent human being and taking time and being patient.

She WAS doing it wrong and her death does not validate her behavior. I want to see her jackass roommate imprisoned and if possible, corrected, but her approach to settling her grievance with the rugby players was not justified or acceptable.

Somehow, I think your viewpoint would be different if the rugby players had been singing anti-gay songs and the person murdered had been a gay man who was a vocal advocate for LGBTQ rights.

 

[laughing dog]

Being a little uncomfortable because of rugby players singing a ridiculous chant about a woman who doesn't exist does not justify aggressively attacking and posturing against the men doing it. It does not win allies nor is it productive when most people are generally good, particularly if you approach such things in a socially acceptable way. If instead of 'this is bullshit stop doing it at once' you make friends with the people doing it, and open up with them about it, and how it distresses you, they'll stop. It involves being a decent human being and taking time and being patient.

That approach does not necessarily work when the targets are real assholes.

She WAS doing it wrong and her death does not validate her behavior. I want to see her jackass roommate imprisoned and if possible, corrected, but her approach to settling her grievance with the rugby players was not justified or acceptable.

I didn't realize anyone here was making that claim, which makes me wonder what prompted your derail.

 

[Jarhyn]

Not really, no. I was in the army where we did cadance all the time about pansies, girly boys and gays.

 

[Jarhyn]

That approach does not necessarily work when the targets are real assholes.

She WAS doing it wrong and her death does not validate her behavior. I want to see her jackass roommate imprisoned and if possible, corrected, but her approach to settling her grievance with the rugby players was not justified or acceptable.

I didn't realize anyone here was making that claim, which makes me wonder what prompted your derail.

It isn't a derail. The general thrust of the entire thread is that she was murdered as a feminist, and regardless of the actual technical syntax of the words, the implication is that her feminist views got her killed and that this somehow validates those views. Regardless of whether or not someone killed her over those views, however, the killing does not validate them. I do not play such 'technicality' lawyer fuck-fuck games. She was being a complete bitch after the standard third wave social justice format, and she was doing harm to the pursuit of real equality. Her feminism pissed people off as rightly it should.

Her murder was wrong, in every way. There is no qualifying the wrongness of killing her over her awful views. She was, however, a bad person causing misery and grief in the world for no reason other than to satisfy her aggressive ape-like desire to posture. She should not be given a mouthpiece for her apishness even in death. She was a jerk, and the ignorance of others dies not justify her jerkiness, nor does that jerkiness justify her murder.

It is an important piece of infor.action to keep in mind if someone wants to discuss her murder in any context other than 'what is murder and how do we prevent it from happening to people who are jerks, but who still do not deserve to be killed'

 

[laughing dog]

That approach does not necessarily work when the targets are real assholes.
I didn't realize anyone here was making that claim, which makes me wonder what prompted your derail.

It isn't a derail. The general thrust of the entire thread is that she was murdered as a feminist, and regardless of the actual technical syntax of the words, the implication is that her feminist views got her killed and that this somehow validates those views.

How on earth did you get that anyone claimed her murder "validated" her views?

Regardless of whether or not someone killed her over those views, however, the killing does not validate them. I do not play such 'technicality' lawyer fuck-fuck games. She was being a complete bitch after the standard third wave social justice format, and she was doing harm to the pursuit of real equality. Her feminism pissed people off as rightly it should.

Your obnoxious opinion on that matter is totally irrelevant to the OP.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

What did the murder have to do with her politics? She was allegedly strangled by her 30 year old male roommate with whom she apparently had no relationship with but lived in the same house. I suppose that's normal. I guess.

Conservatives like the one you are replying to hope it was her politics so that those "feminazis" will be taught a lesson.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Wow the OP to this thread contains so much straw that I lack the bailer to process it.

 

[Underseer]

OK, so I was clearly wrong to jump to the conclusion that she was actually killed by anti-feminists. I do apologize for that.

But guess who is celebrating her murder? Go on, guess!

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...us-and-mens-rights-activists-are-celebrating/

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

OK, so I was clearly wrong to jump to the conclusion that she was actually killed by anti-feminists. I do apologize for that.

But guess who is celebrating her murder? Go on, guess!

You?