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- She calls on Allah do do something about the "evil deeds" of Israel.
- She cares more about being married under Islamic Law than under US law. In her explanation of her marriages, she emphasizes how she married some guy "in her faith tradition" (i.e. under Islamic law) as if that should have any standing under US law.
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I already did.
This article establishes both these facts:
Ilhan Omar Returns to Minneapolis for Hero’s Welcome
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You posted general information, not anything about a specific case. In any case, if you are dehydrated because you deliberately crossed the desert, the risk to your life and health is your fault. Same with those idiots who board dinghys in Libya in order to cross into Europe in an attempt top scam some benefits for themselves. If they drown off the coast of Libya, it's their own fault, not that of EU.
ruby sparks
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Wow. Mr human empathy. I guess you should hope that you never have enough similar reasons to feel you need to try to leave where you are and make a dangerous journey to somewhere else.
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It is an illusion to think that these people "need" to leave. Or that it is an obligation of EU or US to take everybody who wants to come in.
Take this for example.
He is not even fleeing poverty, much less violence. He could afford 1000s of dollars for the smugglers, and his family has a nice house.
It's a scam.
ruby sparks
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Is it really. Gosh. Thank goodness you're here to tell us the facts.
Oh look. You have an example of when some of them apparently don't need to move. You should have said. That clarifies everything. It's a scam, because some of them don't need to move. By golly that's incisive.
Ok now I've watched most of the film footage. I'm not sure it even illustrates what you're saying?
I am curious why (in your world) you believe no one ever lies or has sinister motives behind their actions? You guys can go on and on and on and on all day about the actions of Christians, but all immigrants are all perfect 100% truth telling loving individuals?
Remember the Muslim gang rape against the innocent women in Europe? You guys' responses was, "It doesn't happen a lot. Who cares?" Such empathy.
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Why do you think that?
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Ok you can stop there. The mind-reading classes are obviously not working for you.
ruby sparks
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Because it doesn't seem to.
And anyway, it's irrelevant, because you did not distinguish between those in need and those not in need. You made a blanket, unsympathetic statement. Have an extra hamburger tonight, just for that. I'm sure you won't have to trek too far to get it.
Derec
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Bnagladeshis are now the biggest source of mass migrants into Europe - bigger than Syrians and Afghans even.
And this is who these migrants typically are:
'European dream' ends in tragedy for many Bangladeshis
Again, they do not "need" to go anywhere.
And this is who these migrants typically are:
UCA News said:
'European dream' ends in tragedy for many Bangladeshis
Again, they do not "need" to go anywhere.
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That's not an answer. To me the video clearly shows these migrants choosing to illegally migrate (and fraudulently claim asylum in order to be able to stay) in order to make more money, not because of any persecution.
Vast majority are economic migrants. But of course, the pro-migrant European press refers to them all as "refugees".
Kind of like how Oscar the fake asylum seeker is being referred to as a "refugee" even though his mother admits he wasn't fleeing anything and only wanted to make more money in the US.
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First line of that is "Middle-class youths are joining exodus of poor migrant workers".
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That's not an answer. To me the video clearly shows these migrants choosing to illegally migrate (and fraudulently claim asylum in order to be able to stay) in order to make more money, not because of any persecution.
Vast majority are economic migrants. But of course, the pro-migrant European press refers to them all as "refugees".
Kind of like how Oscar the fake asylum seeker is being referred to as a "refugee" even though his mother admits he only wanted to make more money in the US.
I would like to see a citation for that vast majority claim. Also, why is poverty not a valid reason to want to move? It's normally associated with other things such as lack of access to basic necessities and having to live in dangerous (as in lawless) environments too.
I don't doubt that a lot of them could be called economic migrants. And there will be some that we might call genuine refugees. You made no distinction.
Derec
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Even the migrant workers who are here described as "poor" need to invest thousands of dollars for smugglers so they have access to some funds and they think it is a justified expense because if successful they can make a solid return on their investment in remittances. Do not be deceived, mass migration is a business, and poverty is not a legitimate grounds for asylum.
Seeing as that happened here on this forum, it should be easy for you to provide proof. ...
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I do not have a citation, but I have observed the problem for years now. Basically people were watching how easily Syrian refugees got into Europe and millions of economic migrants from many different countries followed the crowd.
It's a valid reason to want to move, sure, but it's not a valid reason to be labeled "refugee" or to apply for asylum. That makes them illegal migrants that should not be granted entry into Europe.
But you still think EU and US should take them all?
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Sure.
Arguably, yes. Though I wouldn't be against them coming if they were useful to the economy, for example. Beyond that, there might be a charitable, humanitarian obligation, but I wouldn't say it had to be binding. Also, 'extreme poverty', especially associated with anything as bad as famine for instance, is not especially different from fleeing persecution, in terms of the suffering.
No. There should be a reasonable filtering process.
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Even the video you linked to said that they generally had to borrow the money. And I doubt they get keen rates. That's not quite 'being able to afford 1000s of dollars'. It's having to risk mortgaging yourself or your family to some possibly dodgy money-lender. Such a thing would not be a bother to you at all, if you were in their shoes.