Waste of a perfectly good heart

[Loren Pechtel]

Non compliance with your wishes? Your idea of morality defies logic. Deny this small time offender a heart and give one to Cheney, a bonifide war criminal.

He got kicked off the list for non-compliance with the doctor's orders.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This isn't about bad, this is about non-compliance.

Really?

As far as I can see, this guy got a heart transplant; he then went on to live his life the way he chose, and it ended badly for him.

Other than moralising about his choices of how to live his life, what is the point being made?

It might be reasonable to say that he wasted his life - but that was his call. If he had a perfectly healthy heart from birth, would you declare his death to be a waste of some antibiotics he got when he scraped his knee as a kid? Or a waste of the effort that went into teaching him English?

People do stupid shit, and sometimes they end up dead as a result. There seems to be no reason to expect any specific person will do this until it happens. The only way to avoid this would be to declare a subset of those needing a transplant as 'unworthy' based on a guess at their likely future behaviour. That only works if there is a way to define someone as 'bad'.

He got kicked off for non-compliance. He got back on by playing the race card.

 

[Arctish]

He got kicked off for non-compliance. He got back on by playing the race card.

The link to the story of how Anthony Stokes was added to the transplant list that Derek provided in his OP did not mention race as a point of leverage. If you have evidence Stokes or his family "played the race card" please provide it, because right now your claim looks like the product of your own suppositions.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He got kicked off for non-compliance. He got back on by playing the race card.

The link to the story of how Anthony Stokes was added to the transplant list that Derek provided in his OP did not mention race as a point of leverage. If you have evidence Stokes or his family "played the race card" please provide it, because right now your claim looks like the product of your own suppositions.

Of course they didn't mention the race card.

 

[RavenSky]

The link to the story of how Anthony Stokes was added to the transplant list that Derek provided in his OP did not mention race as a point of leverage. If you have evidence Stokes or his family "played the race card" please provide it, because right now your claim looks like the product of your own suppositions.

Of course they didn't mention the race card.

Same exact story but with a white family - would you assume the white family "played the race card"?

 

[arkirk]

Really?

As far as I can see, this guy got a heart transplant; he then went on to live his life the way he chose, and it ended badly for him.

Other than moralising about his choices of how to live his life, what is the point being made?

It might be reasonable to say that he wasted his life - but that was his call. If he had a perfectly healthy heart from birth, would you declare his death to be a waste of some antibiotics he got when he scraped his knee as a kid? Or a waste of the effort that went into teaching him English?

People do stupid shit, and sometimes they end up dead as a result. There seems to be no reason to expect any specific person will do this until it happens. The only way to avoid this would be to declare a subset of those needing a transplant as 'unworthy' based on a guess at their likely future behaviour. That only works if there is a way to define someone as 'bad'.

He got kicked off for non-compliance. He got back on by playing the race card.

And would that be the HUMAN RACE CARD?

The doctors got more work and for a short time a human life was extended. Still, comparing this guy to Cheney, with all his bad choices and nothing but silver spoons too...what kind of card did Cheney play....the murderer card?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He got kicked off for non-compliance. He got back on by playing the race card.

And would that be the HUMAN RACE CARD?

The doctors got more work and for a short time a human life was extended. Still, comparing this guy to Cheney, with all his bad choices and nothing but silver spoons too...what kind of card did Cheney play....the murderer card?

They don't try to evaluate whether the guy is good or bad. They try to evaluate whether he will do what's needed to care for his transplant.

 

[laughing dog]

The link to the story of how Anthony Stokes was added to the transplant list that Derek provided in his OP did not mention race as a point of leverage. If you have evidence Stokes or his family "played the race card" please provide it, because right now your claim looks like the product of your own suppositions.

Of course they didn't mention the race card.

So the lack of actual evidence is the evidence? Someone forgot to wear a tinfoil hat.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Of course they didn't mention the race card.

So the lack of actual evidence is the evidence? Someone forgot to wear a tinfoil hat.

The lack of mentioning something that you would not expect to be mentioned proves nothing.

 

[Frikki]

The link to the story of how Anthony Stokes was added to the transplant list that Derek provided in his OP did not mention race as a point of leverage. If you have evidence Stokes or his family "played the race card" please provide it, because right now your claim looks like the product of your own suppositions.

Of course they didn't mention the race card.

You just assumed it? What does that make you?

 

[laughing dog]

So the lack of actual evidence is the evidence? Someone forgot to wear a tinfoil hat.

The lack of mentioning something that you would not expect to be mentioned proves nothing.

It indicates you are literally confusing your assumptions with fact, again.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Of course they didn't mention the race card.

You just assumed it? What does that make you?

They did a popular appeal to get him back on the list. There's almost certainly a race card component to that.

 

[laughing dog]

You just assumed it? What does that make you?

They did a popular appeal to get him back on the list. There's almost certainly a race card component to that.

No, they simply pointed out the relevant SES factors the doctors were ignoring.

 

[Toni]

You just assumed it? What does that make you?

They did a popular appeal to get him back on the list. There's almost certainly a race card component to that.

They played the age card. He was young, with potentially years of life ahead of him.

 

[RavenSky]

You just assumed it? What does that make you?

They did a popular appeal to get him back on the list. There's almost certainly a race card component to that.

Only in your own mind.

According to the articles, they played up his young age and played down his previous non-compliance.