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https://www.facebook.com/moveon/videos/10153454110680493/
Van Jones video explaining what three ideas to get rid of.
Van Jones video explaining what three ideas to get rid of.
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We can defeat Trump -- if we defeat these 3 dumb ideas first
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untermensche
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Another myth would be that the media is liberal and somehow favors Hillary.
The media is a profit seeking entity and favors a sideshow that attracts numbers.
The media is a profit seeking entity and favors a sideshow that attracts numbers.
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Harry Bosch
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Could you summarize? I'm a dinosaur, never been on facebook.
untermensche
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Summary:
3 bad ideas that could give Trump a victory if people believe them.
1. Trump will self-destruct.
2. The electorate cares about his polices, or policies in general.
3. The demographics (women, minorities) are against him, he has no chance.
3 bad ideas that could give Trump a victory if people believe them.
1. Trump will self-destruct.
2. The electorate cares about his polices, or policies in general.
3. The demographics (women, minorities) are against him, he has no chance.
repoman
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The media having been owned by conglomerates that wanted to have a dumbed down populace has bit them in the ass.
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This sums it up nicely. The Republican leadership may have not realized, or were in denial about, where a good portion of their base really is. I think that the dirty truth is that many people aren't voting so much for a particular party, as they are voting against the other one.
Hillary Clinton should treat Donald Trump as a serious threat.
repoman
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Y'all here are acting like Hillary is not a total corporate sellout. Bernie could crush this blowhard if the media was honest and held people to the high standards that Cronkite and Murrow held. Now we have shitheels like O'Reilly and Brian Williams.
Maddow is ok, but people like Ed Schultz who got kicked off for his TPP coverage are needed on every channel all day long.
Also the bullshit that the Hillary side is pulling at the margins of the primaries is really testing a lot of Bernie supporters. I consider myself a Bernie supporter for the financial reforms but I am a right wing reactionary against SJWs and held my nose on this to vote for him against Hillary.
Maddow is ok, but people like Ed Schultz who got kicked off for his TPP coverage are needed on every channel all day long.
Also the bullshit that the Hillary side is pulling at the margins of the primaries is really testing a lot of Bernie supporters. I consider myself a Bernie supporter for the financial reforms but I am a right wing reactionary against SJWs and held my nose on this to vote for him against Hillary.
Harry Bosch
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People on the far left and the far right are always blaming the media. The evil media! Hillary isn't "pulling at the margins"! Whatever that means. She's beating Bernie. She's received more than 3,000,000 more votes than Bernie. And we haven't even gotten to California yet.
untermensche
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Except Trump commanded no armies. He defeated his enemy with words and smugness alone.
That's all it takes these days.
repoman
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A cocky blowhard that likely has only 5% of self proclaimed wealth and a disastrous bankruptcy record can be able to cow the media to a degree. Funny stuff.
The guy really is using fear as a weapon, mostly.
If this was 1998 and the economy was really good and crime had started to strongly dip (from late 80's early 90's mega levels) he could not be using this fear cudgel like he is now. (Yes, I am aware 1998 was Bill Clinton time)
He can use the TPP club and whack the stuffing out of Clinton, but not Sanders.
I personally don't want to reward Clinton with the presidency for being a motherfucking weathervane.
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As opposed to rewarding Trump for being a trending topic on social media?
As the video pointed out, Trump is playing the new media like a fiddle. Say something outrageous or controversial and it gets shared. Facebook and Twitter and Instagram all exist to drive traffic to their sites, and traditional media follows along like a lost puppy. A meme or a video gets posted on Reddit, then the next day Buzzfeed reports it as a story, then the day after that it is on Huffington Post and then it finds its way to Good Morning America or Fox News. Whether it puts The Donald in a good or bad light is irrelevant. It gets him out there.
He's winning on clicks and likes and shares and page views.
untermensche
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The drums of fear have been beating since 911.
There is so much incentive to fan the flames of fear.
The military industrial complex is making hundreds of billions. Politicians are being elected because of fear.
Trump is merely an opportunist and is exploiting what politicians have been doing for a while.
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If you don't like Trump, there is only one way to defeat him....Sanders. Most people are smart enough to look past all of Trump quirks and will vote for him if there is no other viable option. We can see Clinton is already making the same mistakes that Jeb did and eventually this will serve to undo the rest of her campaign.
Say what you will about Trump but at least he is trying to get the word out promising to make things better for most Americans. Same with Sanders. Trump and Sanders, each in his own way, have shown too many people that it’s possible to hope for something other than an intolerable state of business as usual. In the wake of their candidacies, a great many voters have decided that they’re no longer willing to vote for the lesser of two evils. Clinton only promises another Obama term excepting to offer the majority of American women, a thrill they might get from having a president with a vagina. It is also clear to most that she is in for Clinton and not in it for the rest of us.
http://www.resilience.org/stories/2016-02-25/the-decline-and-fall-of-hillary-clinton
Say what you will about Trump but at least he is trying to get the word out promising to make things better for most Americans. Same with Sanders. Trump and Sanders, each in his own way, have shown too many people that it’s possible to hope for something other than an intolerable state of business as usual. In the wake of their candidacies, a great many voters have decided that they’re no longer willing to vote for the lesser of two evils. Clinton only promises another Obama term excepting to offer the majority of American women, a thrill they might get from having a president with a vagina. It is also clear to most that she is in for Clinton and not in it for the rest of us.
http://www.resilience.org/stories/2016-02-25/the-decline-and-fall-of-hillary-clinton
repoman
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You know, I watch The Young Turks (despite despising excessive SJW stuff they do sometimes) and they had a ban on both Ann Coulter and Donald Trump topics for a long time.
Coulter is a loose cannon bomb thrower who says things that are half true with massive baiting. I think that the border stuff she talks about is true in the sense that no one in power (I include SEIU etc... bosses in this) gives a fuck about poor unemployed americans and wants to keep the excessive immigration levels going on. I also don't have an animus against mexicans, but if immigration is tightened then they who have been the majority of that will have the greatest change.
Coulter is a loose cannon bomb thrower who says things that are half true with massive baiting. I think that the border stuff she talks about is true in the sense that no one in power (I include SEIU etc... bosses in this) gives a fuck about poor unemployed americans and wants to keep the excessive immigration levels going on. I also don't have an animus against mexicans, but if immigration is tightened then they who have been the majority of that will have the greatest change.
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The Republican base loves Trump. The rest of the GOP does not, but they hate Hillary more. Despite predictions of party splits, they have lined up nicely behind Trump.
I'll be frank. I dislike Hillary. I don't trust her. I not only think she has a likability issue, but I think she is corrupt, and her only moral center is which way the polls happen to be pointing. In reality, I consider her a moderate to somewhat right Republican. Nevertheless I will hold my nose and vote for her come November, because the theater of Trump is much, much worse.
Trump is no genius. He isn't particularly intelligent. Hell, I often think he's slightly below average intelligence. He's no master manipulator. He's no great negotiator. He's not a great business man. People have a hard time believing these things because they think it takes those qualities to have wealth. Trump's sole strength is that he's an opportunist. That's it. We live in a time of reality TV theater for real life, and he just so happens to be a reality TV star, chosen precisely for that role because he's a giant douche bag. He gets ratings, and unfortunately, that is what news is for nowadays, not to inform, but to garner ratings. By not pressing him, by not putting his feet to the fire, by not asking for specifics, the mainstream media is an active participant in the coming cluster fuck that will ensue should this narcissistic bag of dicks become president.
Those taking comfort in the hopes that congress and the courts will be able to limit Trump's meltdown of the US must realize how much damage this ego-maniacal moron can do, not only here at home, but abroad. Like it or not, the world depends on the US to remain stable and somewhat predictable in world affairs. Not just militarily, but economically and diplomatically. Trump has already mused about allowing the US to default on it's debt obligations (good advice perhaps for a company, horrible for a country) spread nuclear weapons around to South Korea, Japan, and more of Europe, as well as withdraw from NATO.
This man-baby is a textbook case of Dunning-Kreuger. Imagine him as the head of our military? What happens when (not if) he gives his first illegal order to the military that is against the uniform codes of military justice? We will either have a military that has no conscience at all, or a military that refuses the orders of it's commander and chief. Either case is of great concern.
Trump is a menace and a national embarrassment. It is my sincere hope that he loses this election, and that his brand suffers irreparable damage thanks to his campaign, causing him to become one of the poor people he despises so much.
I'll be frank. I dislike Hillary. I don't trust her. I not only think she has a likability issue, but I think she is corrupt, and her only moral center is which way the polls happen to be pointing. In reality, I consider her a moderate to somewhat right Republican. Nevertheless I will hold my nose and vote for her come November, because the theater of Trump is much, much worse.
Trump is no genius. He isn't particularly intelligent. Hell, I often think he's slightly below average intelligence. He's no master manipulator. He's no great negotiator. He's not a great business man. People have a hard time believing these things because they think it takes those qualities to have wealth. Trump's sole strength is that he's an opportunist. That's it. We live in a time of reality TV theater for real life, and he just so happens to be a reality TV star, chosen precisely for that role because he's a giant douche bag. He gets ratings, and unfortunately, that is what news is for nowadays, not to inform, but to garner ratings. By not pressing him, by not putting his feet to the fire, by not asking for specifics, the mainstream media is an active participant in the coming cluster fuck that will ensue should this narcissistic bag of dicks become president.
Those taking comfort in the hopes that congress and the courts will be able to limit Trump's meltdown of the US must realize how much damage this ego-maniacal moron can do, not only here at home, but abroad. Like it or not, the world depends on the US to remain stable and somewhat predictable in world affairs. Not just militarily, but economically and diplomatically. Trump has already mused about allowing the US to default on it's debt obligations (good advice perhaps for a company, horrible for a country) spread nuclear weapons around to South Korea, Japan, and more of Europe, as well as withdraw from NATO.
This man-baby is a textbook case of Dunning-Kreuger. Imagine him as the head of our military? What happens when (not if) he gives his first illegal order to the military that is against the uniform codes of military justice? We will either have a military that has no conscience at all, or a military that refuses the orders of it's commander and chief. Either case is of great concern.
Trump is a menace and a national embarrassment. It is my sincere hope that he loses this election, and that his brand suffers irreparable damage thanks to his campaign, causing him to become one of the poor people he despises so much.
untermensche
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I will vote against Trump, not for Hillary, based only on SC nominee.
But once somebody becomes president they enter a bubble. They are surrounded by opinions and everything they say and think is filtered.
Trump will give no illegal orders. His orders will be cleared by lawyers, just as Bush's torture was cleared by the biggest scumbag lawyer they could find to shield him.
Cheerful Charlie
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Bush: Bring me my shyster lawyers! Bybee, Yu!
Bybee, Yu: Yes sir!
Bush: Write me a specious finding that allows me to implement torture!
Bybee, Yu: Yes sir!
Bush: And write me a specious finding that nullifies the 4th amendment!
Bybee, Yu: Yes sir! Here are your specious findings as requested, Mr. Bush!
Did we learn nothing from the Bush fiasco? When you appoint a team of shysters who will cheerful write crap findings to implement bad policy, an end run around the constitution, anything goes. Trump will surely do about the same, shamelessly.
Meanwhile, our GOP dominated Congress did not care to stop Bush, or the supreme court to reign him in.
If you think we won't see some sleazy legal dodges from Trump, think again. A man who uses strategic bankruptcies so readily will have a legal attitude problem, and Bush shows what happens when you have an attitude problem with the law, and constitution.
Bybee, Yu: Yes sir!
Bush: Write me a specious finding that allows me to implement torture!
Bybee, Yu: Yes sir!
Bush: And write me a specious finding that nullifies the 4th amendment!
Bybee, Yu: Yes sir! Here are your specious findings as requested, Mr. Bush!
Did we learn nothing from the Bush fiasco? When you appoint a team of shysters who will cheerful write crap findings to implement bad policy, an end run around the constitution, anything goes. Trump will surely do about the same, shamelessly.
Meanwhile, our GOP dominated Congress did not care to stop Bush, or the supreme court to reign him in.
If you think we won't see some sleazy legal dodges from Trump, think again. A man who uses strategic bankruptcies so readily will have a legal attitude problem, and Bush shows what happens when you have an attitude problem with the law, and constitution.
