Weird question for girl nerds

[Rhea]

LOL, I forgot that was kinda pre-lycra bras. I didn't really get boobs worthy of a bra until age 35, so I forgot about that.

Er, rubber and elastic have been around since the 1940s.

In 1977, this was pre-Wonder Bra days, so 'underwire' armor-like support bras were rare and bras were mostly soft elastic things.

I'd disagree - of course this is a necessarily anecdotal conversation, because all any of us had really were the bras in our own homes - but my experience was of the Playtex Cross Your Heart Lift-and-Separate numbers made of non-stretch cotton and nylon webbing. My mother was a DD so it was something of a heavy equipment operation to get those puppies to stand straight out Jayne Mansfield style, but Playtex accomplished it. Taking those out of the laundry demonstrated that they could stand up by themselves. It was a style in the 60s and 70s among women who were in their 40s to do that breakfast shelf thing with their boobs.

 

[Angry Floof]

Er, rubber and elastic have been around since the 1940s.

In 1977, this was pre-Wonder Bra days, so 'underwire' armor-like support bras were rare and bras were mostly soft elastic things.

I'd disagree - of course this is a necessarily anecdotal conversation, because all any of us had really were the bras in our own homes - but my experience was of the Playtex Cross Your Heart Lift-and-Separate numbers made of non-stretch cotton and nylon webbing. My mother was a DD so it was something of a heavy equipment operation to get those puppies to stand straight out Jayne Mansfield style, but Playtex accomplished it. Taking those out of the laundry demonstrated that they could stand up by themselves. It was a style in the 60s and 70s among women who were in their 40s to do that breakfast shelf thing with their boobs.

I still wear Playtex bras, the T327:

 

[DrZoidberg]

So women are either into buns-of-steel or man-boobs?

They can also be into really skinny guys, or if they are on the large side themselves, may prefer men who are also on the large side.

Just like men can like skinny girls, athletic girls or voluptuous girls.

I saw a cool study on that. Men with a large difference between their testosterone and oestrogen were into voluptuous girls. Men with a small difference like skinny girls. And it's perfectly proportional. Fun thing is that it works in the reverse for woman. So masculine/feminine tastes match perfectly. Might be some way nature has figured out to make sure that testosterone vs oestrogen levels in the off-spring don't reach extreme levels in any direction.

An athletic body has all the markers signalling health. So everybody likes an athletic body. I think that's just genetically hard-coded.

 

[Juma]

They can also be into really skinny guys, or if they are on the large side themselves, may prefer men who are also on the large side.

Just like men can like skinny girls, athletic girls or voluptuous girls.

I saw a cool study on that. Men with a large difference between their testosterone and oestrogen were into voluptuous girls. Men with a small difference like skinny girls. And it's perfectly proportional. Fun thing is that it works in the reverse for woman. So masculine/feminine tastes match perfectly. Might be some way nature has figured out to make sure that testosterone vs oestrogen levels in the off-spring don't reach extreme levels in any direction.

An athletic body has all the markers signalling health. So everybody likes an athletic body. I think that's just genetically hard-coded.

Care to point to that study? Cause frone what I heard teststerone/oestrogene has much less importance for behavior than usually believed.

And no, everybody does certainly not like an atletic body,

 

[DrZoidberg]

I saw a cool study on that. Men with a large difference between their testosterone and oestrogen were into voluptuous girls. Men with a small difference like skinny girls. And it's perfectly proportional. Fun thing is that it works in the reverse for woman. So masculine/feminine tastes match perfectly. Might be some way nature has figured out to make sure that testosterone vs oestrogen levels in the off-spring don't reach extreme levels in any direction.

An athletic body has all the markers signalling health. So everybody likes an athletic body. I think that's just genetically hard-coded.

Care to point to that study? Cause frone what I heard teststerone/oestrogene has much less importance for behavior than usually believed.

I was specifically thinking of this guy. He's got a bunch of similar studies.

http://facelab.org/Publications/articles

And no, everybody does certainly not like an atletic body,

I think this calls for a poll/Pole(-dancing). I think you, Sir, are erroneous.

 

[Rhea]

I'd disagree - of course this is a necessarily anecdotal conversation, because all any of us had really were the bras in our own homes - but my experience was of the Playtex Cross Your Heart Lift-and-Separate numbers made of non-stretch cotton and nylon webbing. My mother was a DD so it was something of a heavy equipment operation to get those puppies to stand straight out Jayne Mansfield style, but Playtex accomplished it. Taking those out of the laundry demonstrated that they could stand up by themselves. It was a style in the 60s and 70s among women who were in their 40s to do that breakfast shelf thing with their boobs.

I still wear Playtex bras, the T327:

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Back then they hewed to the pointy boob look:

 

[Angry Floof]

I still wear Playtex bras, the T327:

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Back then they hewed to the pointy boob look:

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I remember my mom wearing bras that looked like that. They don't look comfortable. The ones I wear are way comfy. I have a few of another kind, something cheap and doesn't last as long as Playtex, but do a good job while they do last.

I had no idea I could have even this much of a conversation with strangers over the internet about bras.

 

[Rhea]

The ones I wear are way comfy. I have a few of another kind, something cheap and doesn't last as long as Playtex, but do a good job while they do last.

Yeah, I'm in the unstructured camp myself. Comfort is paramount. But then again, I'm of a size where I forgot to wear a bra to work one day and didn't notice until lunch time.

I had no idea I could have even this much of a conversation with strangers over the internet about bras.

Aren't the internets great!?

 

[Underseer]

They can also be into really skinny guys, or if they are on the large side themselves, may prefer men who are also on the large side.

Just like men can like skinny girls, athletic girls or voluptuous girls.

I saw a cool study on that. Men with a large difference between their testosterone and oestrogen were into voluptuous girls. Men with a small difference like skinny girls. And it's perfectly proportional. Fun thing is that it works in the reverse for woman. So masculine/feminine tastes match perfectly. Might be some way nature has figured out to make sure that testosterone vs oestrogen levels in the off-spring don't reach extreme levels in any direction.

An athletic body has all the markers signalling health. So everybody likes an athletic body. I think that's just genetically hard-coded.

Nah, it's largely cultural because culture heavily influences what counts as healthy.

Normally when we talk about an athletic woman, we're talking about a bit of extra muscle (especially lower body) with good muscle tone. Just a few decades ago, that would have been considered extremely unattractive. All those old European paintings show ideal women as being around 14 years old and certianly fatter than what would be considered ideal now. Inuit almost universally prefer fat women. Not voluptuous, fat.

And plenty of women find large muscles on men to be unappealing, so "athletic" in the sense of sexual desirability can mean different things from woman to woman.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I saw a cool study on that. Men with a large difference between their testosterone and oestrogen were into voluptuous girls. Men with a small difference like skinny girls. And it's perfectly proportional. Fun thing is that it works in the reverse for woman. So masculine/feminine tastes match perfectly. Might be some way nature has figured out to make sure that testosterone vs oestrogen levels in the off-spring don't reach extreme levels in any direction.

An athletic body has all the markers signalling health. So everybody likes an athletic body. I think that's just genetically hard-coded.

Nah, it's largely cultural because culture heavily influences what counts as healthy.

Normally when we talk about an athletic woman, we're talking about a bit of extra muscle (especially lower body) with good muscle tone. Just a few decades ago, that would have been considered extremely unattractive. All those old European paintings show ideal women as being around 14 years old and certianly fatter than what would be considered ideal now. Inuit almost universally prefer fat women. Not voluptuous, fat.

And plenty of women find large muscles on men to be unappealing, so "athletic" in the sense of sexual desirability can mean different things from woman to woman.

You got to separate what women say not to hurt your feelings and what they do. If you look at erotica and romance books. When the guy lacks a shirt he's always got a six pack.

I also think you need to look one step further. What we find attractive is whatever body is hard to achieve and maintain. In times of starvation surplus fat was attractive. But markers of health have always been pretty much the same.

 

[credoconsolans]

Er, rubber and elastic have been around since the 1940s.

In 1977, this was pre-Wonder Bra days, so 'underwire' armor-like support bras were rare and bras were mostly soft elastic things.

I'd disagree - of course this is a necessarily anecdotal conversation, because all any of us had really were the bras in our own homes - but my experience was of the Playtex Cross Your Heart Lift-and-Separate numbers made of non-stretch cotton and nylon webbing. My mother was a DD so it was something of a heavy equipment operation to get those puppies to stand straight out Jayne Mansfield style, but Playtex accomplished it. Taking those out of the laundry demonstrated that they could stand up by themselves. It was a style in the 60s and 70s among women who were in their 40s to do that breakfast shelf thing with their boobs.

But come on. We all went bra shopping. You know the types out there. Yes, DD women had to wear the equivalent of orthopedic shoes with straps. But if you were like Carrie Fisher - barely 32A - you could wear soft filmy bras that were not very structured, worn more for coverage than support.

 

[purple_kathryn]

I'd disagree - of course this is a necessarily anecdotal conversation, because all any of us had really were the bras in our own homes - but my experience was of the Playtex Cross Your Heart Lift-and-Separate numbers made of non-stretch cotton and nylon webbing. My mother was a DD so it was something of a heavy equipment operation to get those puppies to stand straight out Jayne Mansfield style, but Playtex accomplished it. Taking those out of the laundry demonstrated that they could stand up by themselves. It was a style in the 60s and 70s among women who were in their 40s to do that breakfast shelf thing with their boobs.

But come on. We all went bra shopping. You know the types out there. Yes, DD women had to wear the equivalent of orthopedic shoes with straps. But if you were like Carrie Fisher - barely 32A - you could wear soft filmy bras that were not very structured, worn more for coverage than support.

There ain't no point in looking at "soft filmy bras" when you need something with a bit more engineering. You're just going to be sad that you can't wear the pretty ones.

 

[Rhea]

I'd disagree - of course this is a necessarily anecdotal conversation, because all any of us had really were the bras in our own homes - but my experience was of the Playtex Cross Your Heart Lift-and-Separate numbers made of non-stretch cotton and nylon webbing. My mother was a DD so it was something of a heavy equipment operation to get those puppies to stand straight out Jayne Mansfield style, but Playtex accomplished it. Taking those out of the laundry demonstrated that they could stand up by themselves. It was a style in the 60s and 70s among women who were in their 40s to do that breakfast shelf thing with their boobs.

But come on. We all went bra shopping. You know the types out there. Yes, DD women had to wear the equivalent of orthopedic shoes with straps. But if you were like Carrie Fisher - barely 32A - you could wear soft filmy bras that were not very structured, worn more for coverage than support.

My point was that in the mid to late 1970s they did not have stretchy materials that could withstand this purported "expansion in space" which was the reason given why Leia was to not wear a bra in the quoted article. Yes I was EXACTLY like Carrie Fisher, and in the same age group. And no, there were not stretchy bras available for the a-cup girls at the time, in my shopping experience. It was tee shirts and camisoles or a woven fabic (i.e. not stretchy) bra whose cups were always too big and therefore weirdly and inappropriately pointy. I hated them.

So, that's all. That was my point. Yes, given that reason - that breasts would expand in space - it's true there were not great bras that would work with that. Although, on the converse, one should assume if they can explore new planets, they certainly should be able to create lycra!!!!!

 

[Underseer]

Are you sure they didn't want her to go braless just for the "male gaze" thing? An inflexible metal bra without some kind of cloth underneath it just seems like begging for things to spill out all over the place, and I'm convinced that is part of why so many men are obsessed with the Leia slave outfit (that and the implied subservience of a highly sexualized slave outfit).