What do you do about rape?

[Unbeatable]

"Sexual desire" has an awfully neutral connotation to it.

You mean it isn't rife with subjective moral judgment?

Technically, that's pretty close to the meaning of my statement, since I happened to be focusing on connotation just then. But I don't think that connotation is the only difference between the two phrases.

Yeah, we're talking about a rational scientific explanation for rapes, so the causal factors should sound "neutral" and not sound like an effort to invent an explanation to cast negative moral judgment on the rapist or a "rape culture".

Yes, you're trying to have a Social Science discussion in the middle of a Political Discussions thread. Good luck getting very far in that effort without making some compromise or another. Hell, good luck sorting the PD posters who care about rational scientific explanations from the ones who merely pretend to care.

A deep hatred for women in general and close kin in particular. A rapist may have had a hard time growing up under a strict disciplinarian mother, sister, teacher or even father. Their victim may or may not have a resemblance to the mother. There was a case which names escape me at the minute where a serial killer and psycho first killed his mother then had sex with the corpse then finally decapitating it. His other victims all resembled his mother. He was raping and killing his mother over and over again.

Edmund Kemper. His mother was his second-to-last murder, not his first, and it was her severed head that he had sex with. Then he used it as a dart board. Before her, he did kill and then rape the corpses of six girls, often after arguments with his mother. After he finally worked his way up to killing his mother and her friend, he turned himself in.

The case of Edmund Kemper probably does not shed very much light upon the majority of rapists.

 

[Rhea]

What can a person do to prevent rape by others?
Or is that not worth discussing?

Of course it worth discussing (What can a person do to prevent rape by others?). But the OP seemed (to me at least) to be talking 1st person singular. The best thing I can do to prevent rape is keep my penis clothed. And as I noted it would work for all men too.

Yes it was 1st person singular, but it was not limited to "what can be done to prevent _me_ raping," rather what can be done to prevent rapes. By anyone.

Not that a thread has to stay on that. Just that's what it was started as, and I was curious if you had considered actions you can take that would prevent a rape from happening.

 

[angelo]

"Sexual desire" has an awfully neutral connotation to it.

You mean it isn't rife with subjective moral judgment?

Technically, that's pretty close to the meaning of my statement, since I happened to be focusing on connotation just then. But I don't think that connotation is the only difference between the two phrases.

Yeah, we're talking about a rational scientific explanation for rapes, so the causal factors should sound "neutral" and not sound like an effort to invent an explanation to cast negative moral judgment on the rapist or a "rape culture".

Yes, you're trying to have a Social Science discussion in the middle of a Political Discussions thread. Good luck getting very far in that effort without making some compromise or another. Hell, good luck sorting the PD posters who care about rational scientific explanations from the ones who merely pretend to care.

A deep hatred for women in general and close kin in particular. A rapist may have had a hard time growing up under a strict disciplinarian mother, sister, teacher or even father. Their victim may or may not have a resemblance to the mother. There was a case which names escape me at the minute where a serial killer and psycho first killed his mother then had sex with the corpse then finally decapitating it. His other victims all resembled his mother. He was raping and killing his mother over and over again.

Edmund Kemper. His mother was his second-to-last murder, not his first, and it was her severed head that he had sex with. Then he used it as a dart board. Before her, he did kill and then rape the corpses of six girls, often after arguments with his mother. After he finally worked his way up to killing his mother and her friend, he turned himself in.

The case of Edmund Kemper probably does not shed very much light upon the majority of rapists.

That's the one. Thanks for that. No, this individual was a sick psycho although wasn't found to be insane by the court if memory serves me right. But the power thing is a good example. I think that more than 85% of sexual assaults are power based, not sexually motivated.

 

[Tigers!]

What can a person do to prevent rape by others?
Or is that not worth discussing?

Of course it worth discussing (What can a person do to prevent rape by others?). But the OP seemed (to me at least) to be talking 1st person singular. The best thing I can do to prevent rape is keep my penis clothed. And as I noted it would work for all men too.

Yes it was 1st person singular, but it was not limited to "what can be done to prevent _me_ raping," rather what can be done to prevent rapes. By anyone.

Not that a thread has to stay on that. Just that's what it was started as, and I was curious if you had considered actions you can take that would prevent a rape from happening.

The western world has a culture now when sex is considered a right to be engaged at any time, with anyone, anywhere. And we are bombarded and drowning in it.
And then people complain that rape seems to be on the increase. Why the surprise?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

What can a person do to prevent rape by others?
Or is that not worth discussing?

Of course it worth discussing (What can a person do to prevent rape by others?). But the OP seemed (to me at least) to be talking 1st person singular. The best thing I can do to prevent rape is keep my penis clothed. And as I noted it would work for all men too.

Yes it was 1st person singular, but it was not limited to "what can be done to prevent _me_ raping," rather what can be done to prevent rapes. By anyone.

Not that a thread has to stay on that. Just that's what it was started as, and I was curious if you had considered actions you can take that would prevent a rape from happening.

The western world has a culture now when sex is considered a right to be engaged at any time, with anyone, anywhere. And we are bombarded and drowning in it.
And then people complain that rape seems to be on the increase. Why the surprise?

Huh? So an increase in consensual sex means there will be an increase in rape? Also you seem to be implying that many rapes occur when the victim shows sexual interest. There's no evidence of that.

 

[bigfield]

The western world has a culture now when sex is considered a right to be engaged at any time, with anyone, anywhere. And we are bombarded and drowning in it.

Can you provide some examples of Western culture that consider sex to a be a right? If we are being bombarded by this message then you should be able to cite many examples. I suspect that all you are referring to is sexual objectification, which is not the same.

And then people complain that rape seems to be on the increase. Why the surprise?

It's a strange complaint to make considering that the Australian Bureau of Statistics reports that sexual assault, along with other personal crimes, is declining, and reporting of crimes is increasing.

 

[Unbeatable]

The western world has a culture now when sex is considered a right to be engaged at any time, with anyone, anywhere.

That's not even true, though. This isn't Brave New World yet. Sex is only widely considered to be a right to be engaged in with consenting adults. Not with children, not with people who are unconscious, not with dead bodies, not with people who don't consent.

Probably something more relevant and actually extant would be the culture's lingering double standards and shame surrounding sex, coupled with an increase in the amount of sex that popular culture tells us is normal.

And then people complain that rape seems to be on the increase.

Where specifically are you seeing people complain that rape seems to be on the increase? AFAIK, violent crime in general is decreasing, but people are complaining that it isn't decreasing fast enough.

 

[J842P]

What can a person do to prevent rape by others?
Or is that not worth discussing?

Of course it worth discussing (What can a person do to prevent rape by others?). But the OP seemed (to me at least) to be talking 1st person singular. The best thing I can do to prevent rape is keep my penis clothed. And as I noted it would work for all men too.

Yes it was 1st person singular, but it was not limited to "what can be done to prevent _me_ raping," rather what can be done to prevent rapes. By anyone.

Not that a thread has to stay on that. Just that's what it was started as, and I was curious if you had considered actions you can take that would prevent a rape from happening.

The western world has a culture now when sex is considered a right to be engaged at any time, with anyone, anywhere. And we are bombarded and drowning in it.
And then people complain that rape seems to be on the increase. Why the surprise?

I am extremely skeptical that rape is on the increase. It is certainly becoming a public issue where it once wasn't.

 

[angelo]

Rape, very common in some parts of India. The latest we heard about, two girls who were raped then hung. Also quite common in some islamic cultures where even the victims think it's just common practice.

 

[Sabine Grant]

Rape, very common in some parts of India. The latest we heard about, two girls who were raped then hung. Also quite common in some islamic cultures where even the victims think it's just common practice.

I have assumed from the get go that the OP addressed her question in relation to the socio cultural environment of the US and other Western nations. Equally and following the flow of this thread, that mentions of rape increase or decrease were in relation to the same socio cultural environment.

For example the fact that women of all ages in Congo have become systematic rape victims, rapes perpetrated by both rebels and the Army, certainly could not be mentioned in THIS discussion as evidence that rape incidences have increased.

 

[angelo]

Rape in conflicts has always been with us. It has been used as a form of power over the vanquished for millennia. But a perfect example of rape as a power thing rather than a sexual need.