What if . . .

[pood]

Complete Waste Of Time

You nailed it. And EXTREMELY boring.

I dunno.
He's yet another religionist explaining why religion is irrational and counterproductive.
We don't get that many of them.
Tom

Except that makes no sense, and he refuses to cop to his true views. That makes him a CWOT and extremely tedious also — hence, a CWOTETA.

Why was this worth posting?
Tom

Actually, I ask myself that same question about a lot of posts in this forum, including all the posts of DHL.

 

[Elixir]

Personally I’d rather watch a dog pooping than read any more of that pseudo-irreligious bullshit, though the critiques can be funny.

Then why are you posting long boring responses in this thread?
Tom

I’m entertaining myself. And apparently you, too!
It’s a reflexive angry response to another religious twit in Groucho glasses wasting my time (obviously mad at myself for falling for it a minute or two).

 

[Elixir]

Complete Waste Of Time

You nailed it. And EXTREMELY boring.

I dunno.
He's yet another religionist explaining why religion is irrational and counterproductive.
We don't get that many of them.
Tom

Except that makes no sense, and he refuses to cop to his true views. That makes him a CWOT and extremely tedious also — hence, a CWOTETA.

Why was this worth posting?
Tom

Because it was funny?

I appreciated it. Do you object?

 

[TomC]

Complete Waste Of Time

You nailed it. And EXTREMELY boring.

I dunno.
He's yet another religionist explaining why religion is irrational and counterproductive.
We don't get that many of them.
Tom

Except that makes no sense, and he refuses to cop to his true views. That makes him a CWOT and extremely tedious also — hence, a CWOTETA.

Why was this worth posting?
Tom

Because it was funny?

I appreciated it. Do you object?

Nope.
Why do people feel the need to tell the rest of us about their plans to use the ignore function?

Honestly, I don't care. Respond or not, but don't bother with telling us that you don't want to care.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

I

Why do people feel the need to tell the rest of us about their plans to use the ignore function?

I have not noticed that compulsion.
I do consider it common courtesy to advise the ignored one that directed responses will not find their intended audience, tho. Wouldn’t want to unnecessarily be someone else’s CWOT, y’know?

 

[Jarhyn]

Complete Waste Of Time

You nailed it. And EXTREMELY boring.

I dunno.
He's yet another religionist explaining why religion is irrational and counterproductive.
We don't get that many of them.
Tom

Except that makes no sense, and he refuses to cop to his true views. That makes him a CWOT and extremely tedious also — hence, a CWOTETA.

Why was this worth posting?
Tom

Because it was funny?

I appreciated it. Do you object?

I was really hoping to get to play house at Pascal's Casino, too. That would have been fun, and maybe even educational. Assuming he could hold in the conversation.

 

[Elixir]

I was really hoping to get to play house at Pascal's Casino, too.

No State’s gaming commission would allow you to operate at those odds!

 

[DBT]

So where does that leave you in regard to your beliefs and claims?

It leaves me here. In the same boat as everyone else except I'm the only one that actually lives by the expression.

Let's say Donald Trump makes the claim that he built Trump tower. He documents the basics of his making of the alleged tower in writing. What is the evidence? First of all, we have the tower and the written document. You could say the fact that everyone knows it to be true is, at least in some sense, evidence.

So, in my specific case, I have the written evidence, the Bible, and I have life, the universe and everything. There is the fact that for 6,000 years virtually everyone has known it and it wasn't really questioned until about the time of the industrial revolutions, but that's just evidence. Evidence isn't much. What about yourself?

You must know that the bible isn't evidence for the truth of whatever is written within its pages?

 

[TomC]

I

Why do people feel the need to tell the rest of us about their plans to use the ignore function?

I have not noticed that compulsion.
I do consider it common courtesy to advise the ignored one that directed responses will not find their intended audience, tho. Wouldn’t want to unnecessarily be someone else’s CWOT, y’know?

Why do you think it's common courtesy to tell someone that you don't think that they are important enough to be listened to?

Seriously, is that what you mean?
That's bullshit. You could just shut up, instead of insulting people first.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

I

Why do people feel the need to tell the rest of us about their plans to use the ignore function?

I have not noticed that compulsion.
I do consider it common courtesy to advise the ignored one that directed responses will not find their intended audience, tho. Wouldn’t want to unnecessarily be someone else’s CWOT, y’know?

Why do you think it's common courtesy to tell someone that you don't think that they are important enough to be listened to?

I don’t expect everyone to not “ignore” my posts, Tom. For instance it took me some time getting zero responses to figure out that babs has me on ignore. I’d have preferred to be told, OK?

Seriously, is that what you mean?

Yes

That's bullshit. You could just shut up, instead of insulting people first.

How is that an insult? The boy turns himself into a pretzel trying to demean me (and all his critics). Telling him he’s wasting his time trying to be so clever, is a fucking courtesy.
If he ever comes up with anything that is not derisive and sophomoric, I’m sure someone will engage him. If it’s interesting, unignore is always just a click away.

 

[pood]

So where does that leave you in regard to your beliefs and claims?

It leaves me here. In the same boat as everyone else except I'm the only one that actually lives by the expression.

Let's say Donald Trump makes the claim that he built Trump tower. He documents the basics of his making of the alleged tower in writing. What is the evidence? First of all, we have the tower and the written document. You could say the fact that everyone knows it to be true is, at least in some sense, evidence.

Right, we evidence he financed the tower (probably by looting others and stiffing bank loans). Note how this has nothing in common with what follows:

So, in my specific case, I have the written evidence, the Bible,

The bible cannot serve as evidence of its own veracity. That is circular. Every culture has creation myths. Why are they less true than the bible?

and I have life, the universe and everything.

Not evidence, either. This is begging the question, also.

There is the fact that for 6,000 years virtually everyone has known it and it wasn't really questioned until about the time of the industrial revolutions,

During most of those 6,000 years we did not know much about underpinnings of reality. Then we discovered things like evolution, obviating the need for a creator god. The more we know the fewer gaps there are for god to hide.

but that's just evidence.

You’ve offered no evidence.

Evidence isn't much.

Evidence is a lot. Offer some.

 

[DLH]

You must know that the bible isn't evidence for the truth of whatever is written within its pages?

Oxford definition of truth: a fact or belief that is accepted as true.

I don't understand why atheists, at least possessing some capacity for logical thought, can say this so confidently as if it means anything. Ideology, I suppose, is the reason. The atheists take the ideology of the theists and reflect it like a fractured mirror.

The Bible is evidence for and against the truth of whatever is written within its pages. If it were in a court of law, it would be utilized as both.

If I say Gandalf is the Headmaster at Hogwarts and Dumbledore is a wizard of the white order (formerly grey) who rides a white steed named Shadowfax the primary evidence is what source? That statement, regarding Gandalf and Dumbledore, is evidence of the facts regarding the fictional characters. It is also inaccurate and therefore untrue. This can be established through whatever is written in the pages of their respective sources. Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter books.

The Bible is evidence for what it says. It is also a collection of books by over 40 different authors over a very long period of time. Like a science text. The Bible is far more harmonious throughout than a much shorter period of science texts would be, but that's another story. The point is that you can use the Bible as evidence for the truth of whatever is written within its pages far more reliably than you could a science text, so the argument you're making is not only myopic but also moot.

Myopic and moot! That's atheism.

 

[DLH]

Complete Waste Of Time

Then why do you keep wasting your time with it? That's not a facetious question, it's sincere. I consider it a waste of time as well, and I consider my Play Station games a waste of time. Sometimes I just need to waste time. I'm asking you personally why YOU waste YOUR time with it? I do because I find the subject and the ideological effects of it fascinating. Discussing it as we do is still a waste of time, though, so I don't get your point except for that the differences between you and I are a great deal more subtle than I think you all (collective, groupthink) realize.

 

[TomC]

I'm asking you personally why YOU waste YOUR time with it?

Speaking for myself,
I respond to you, and posters like you, because it's entertaining.

My moods vary. Sometimes it's Golden Girls reruns. Sometimes it's Christians on the Internet. Sometimes it's hard core gay porn. Sometimes it's classic rock videos.
It varies.
Tom

 

[DLH]

For me everything would remain the same. I don't celebrate Christmas.

That's sad for you.

No, it's right for me. Not necessarily right for anyone else.

Even after I realized that Santa Claus and Jesus were both imaginary figures. I still enjoyed, even reveled in, the solstice season.

Well, I think that's a good thing. For you. Just don't shove it down my throat.

The Spirit of comraderie, generosity, warmth at a cold dark time (here in the northern latitudes). It's totally excellent, regardless of what terms you use to describe it.

Greenery, parties, presents, feasts, holidays, garish decorations,
I think it's great.

Great for you. Not for me. Never liked it even as a kid.

Sucks to be you.

Well, yes, it would for you, but not for me. See? Everyone but me is religious. It would suck for me to be you too. Let's just be ourselves, huh?

 

[DLH]

I'm asking you personally why YOU waste YOUR time with it?

Speaking for myself,
I respond to you, and posters like you, because it's entertaining.

See? We aren't so different.

My moods vary. Sometimes it's Golden Girls reruns. Sometimes it's Christians on the Internet. Sometimes it's hard core gay porn. Sometimes it's classic rock videos.
It varies.

Except for the Golden Girls reruns and Christians on the internet that sounds great, and I've done or do all those things except for those two, but to each his own.

Classic rock, huh? Uh I use them throughout my wonderful but sadly neglected website. From my playlist on YouTube. Here. You may not be at all interested in or like any of them.

And that's okay.

 

[TomC]

Well, I think that's a good thing. For you. Just don't shove it down my throat.

I would say "I'll stop responding to you."
Except that I find it amusing to do so.
I probably won't, I'll keep upping my entertainment factor by learning about your ideological foibles and amusing myself playing with them.
Tom

 

[DLH]

I would say "I'll stop responding to you."

Please do.

Except that I find it amusing to do so.

Cool. Back at you. I find it amusing to do so with you and others as well, UP TO A POINT. Then I get bored. But don't worry about that. I'll take care of that myself by quietly bowing out.

I probably won't, I'll keep upping my entertainment factor by learning about your ideological foibles and amusing myself playing with them.

Spoken like a true hypocritical ideologue with not much self-awareness. Like almost everyone else.

Have fun but don't be surprised if I let you sort it all out amongst yourselves.

 

[pood]

Have fun but don't be surprised if I let you sort it all out amongst yourselves.

Rather touching that you think we will make an effort to “sort out,” this stuff, or you, after you leave.

 

[TomC]

Spoken like a true hypocritical ideologue with not much self-awareness. Like almost everyone else.

Too bad your religion makes you so self indulgent.
Your illusions about "What is god...", here let me explain...
aren't particularly new in my life. People have been telling me that they know more about God than I do for my entire 60+ years existence. Somehow, y'all never manage to convince me that you are smarter than I am.

Sorry you missed out on the most Christian part of Western civilization, Christmas. Even back when I was an atheist I understood that part.
Tom