What is worse, racism or rape?

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Yes, the Guardian actually asked that question. Social Justice has gotten us to this point. Muslim rape gangs grooming British girls for rape, and SJWs had to figure out how they might figure out how to condemn it. Can't mention any religious aspect, because a religion has somehow mutated into a race and you can't be racist, oh no. Eventually they figured it out - men are all naturally inclined to be gang rapists so this is a crime against all women by all men. But don't mention the WHICH men are doing the gang raping, because that would be racist. Except religion isn't a fucking race.

The grooming of girls in Newcastle is not an issue of race – it’s about misogyny

What’s worse, rape or racism? I found myself posing that question after the Operation Sanctuary investigation was finally made public, revealing horrific abuse of girls and vulnerable young women in Newcastle. I had been moved and inspired by the courage of the victims, testifying, sometimes multiple times, to the most appalling and intimate crimes. And I felt overwhelming anger at the men who had done this, men in my constituency, men who used girls and women as their property without respect for them or thought for their futures.

Yes, you stupid social justice author. It was men, but it was men holding a certain set of beliefs. Only an idiot SJW could possibly make a race out of a group of ideas.

It is clear to anyone with any sort of a conscience - rape is worse. You don't need to figure out a way to safely say it is worse. It is one of the worst crimes imaginable. If your political beliefs prevent you from working against it on the grounds that it might be racist to say what color of ideas are in the heads of those committing these crimes, then you are not working against it. And since when did ideas have a race?

I dare that idiot author to name WHO is doing these grooming gang-rapes. Of course the racial epithets by the people doing this don't count, as seen in the response by one of the victims.



And, no matter what that idiot SJW author says, Religion is a set of ideas in the head of the person holding it. Religion is not a race.

 

[TSwizzle]

Lol !! It's not Teh Gruaniad that's asking. It's an elected member of parliament!! The U.K. is well and truly FUCKED !

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

It was an elected member of parliament, printed in the Guardian. A Twofer.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Now, now. Before this thread gets out of hand, let's all take a breath and find a way to blame the rape gangs on white men.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Since it is a Religion that brought us this, shouldn't we find a way to blame this on Christian men?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

This is why Manphobia isn't a disorder but instead completely legitimate and rational.

 

[Toni]

Why do I get the impression that no one posting in this thread has actually read the articles the OP?

 

[TSwizzle]

Why do I get the impression that no one posting in this thread has actually read the articles the OP?

I confess, I couldn't stop laughing long enough to read the entire thing.

 

[Juma]

The overwelming majority of rapes in england is performed by, wait for it, white christian men.
Ignoring that is nothing but racism since your focus on muslims is not based on fact byt on your prejudices about muslims.
And your willingness to ignore the crimes made by people similar to yourselves.

 

[repoman]

What about rapecism, where you only rape people you carry a racist hatred for?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Nor does it help safeguard our children. In the north-east it would appear that the majority of those convicted of online grooming are white men. Should we be teaching our children to beware of white men online and Muslim men offline? Does that mean abuse by black Christian men is ignored? We know that the most likely perpetrators of child abuse are family members. Should we be attacking the family unit? Stereotyping does not safeguard the vulnerable, it merely makes them more vulnerable. What is needed is raised awareness, mandatory PSHE, well-resourced community policing and youth services, and mandatory training for all relevant agencies in identifying and reporting grooming indicators.

I somewhat agree with this, and would completely agree with this if we were indeed talking about race. But culture and religion DO play a role and there is nothing wrong with keeping that in mind. Culture and religion are beliefs, and many of those beliefs are indeed less than compatible with our western liberal values. That doesn't mean all muslims or Somalis are rapists, but it DOES mean that we should be careful about Islam, about the different sorts of Islam (some are mostly benign and others are very toxic) and about Somali culture if it does view women's rights differently.

 

[Derec]

The overwelming majority of rapes in england is performed by, wait for it, white christian men.
Ignoring that is nothing but racism since your focus on muslims is not based on fact byt on your prejudices about muslims.
And your willingness to ignore the crimes made by people similar to yourselves.

It's not about absolute numbers (as Muslims are, at least for now, a minority in the UK), but about rates. And about the PC response from the authorities. The abuse in Rotterham was allowed to go on for a while because the local authorities did not want to appear "racist".

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But culture and religion DO play a role and there is nothing wrong with keeping that in mind. Culture and religion are beliefs, and many of those beliefs are indeed less than compatible with our western liberal values. That doesn't mean all muslims or Somalis are rapists, but it DOES mean that we should be careful about Islam, about the different sorts of Islam (some are mostly benign and others are very toxic) and about Somali culture if it does view women's rights differently.

Exactly. The policy of letting immigrants in indiscriminately and not being willing or able to deport them even when they commit serious crimes is also contributing to the problem.

 

[repoman]

This is worse than rape:

 

[zorq]

Yes, the Guardian actually asked that question. Social Justice has gotten us to this point. Muslim rape gangs grooming British girls for rape, and SJWs had to figure out how they might figure out how to condemn it. Can't mention any religious aspect, because a religion has somehow mutated into a race and you can't be racist, oh no. Eventually they figured it out - men are all naturally inclined to be gang rapists so this is a crime against all women by all men. But don't mention the WHICH men are doing the gang raping, because that would be racist. Except religion isn't a fucking race.

The grooming of girls in Newcastle is not an issue of race – it’s about misogyny

What’s worse, rape or racism? I found myself posing that question after the Operation Sanctuary investigation was finally made public, revealing horrific abuse of girls and vulnerable young women in Newcastle. I had been moved and inspired by the courage of the victims, testifying, sometimes multiple times, to the most appalling and intimate crimes. And I felt overwhelming anger at the men who had done this, men in my constituency, men who used girls and women as their property without respect for them or thought for their futures.

Yes, you stupid social justice author. It was men, but it was men holding a certain set of beliefs. Only an idiot SJW could possibly make a race out of a group of ideas.

It is clear to anyone with any sort of a conscience - rape is worse. You don't need to figure out a way to safely say it is worse. It is one of the worst crimes imaginable. If your political beliefs prevent you from working against it on the grounds that it might be racist to say what color of ideas are in the heads of those committing these crimes, then you are not working against it. And since when did ideas have a race?

I dare that idiot author to name WHO is doing these grooming gang-rapes. Of course the racial epithets by the people doing this don't count, as seen in the response by one of the victims.

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And, no matter what that idiot SJW author says, Religion is a set of ideas in the head of the person holding it. Religion is not a race.

You realize that that isn't an article in the Guardian, right?. It is an opinion column. You know, the place where people write all kinds of shit that the publication doesn't necessarily endorse but does think people will want to read.

Anyway...

Let me ask you a question. Which of the following do you think that rapists are most motivated by, religion, race, culture, politics, or lust and objectification of humans?

The exploitation of the girls in Rotherham wasn't perpetrated because of

Honestly, any time a group of people exists in a vulnerable situation, other scurrilous individuals will find way to take advantage of the situation. White Christian Men raped countless (possibly hundreds of thousands) of black girls and women in the ante-bellum South. Did they do it because whites or Christians or Southerners are disgusting individuals or did they do it because there were exploitive individuals there who knew how to take advantage of others in a vulnerable situation?

I think that is part of what the author of the Guardian Opinion column was highlighting.

As for the deplorable circumstances that left those children in Rotherham in such a vulnerable situation, those are much more complicated than the typical right wing characterization of, "They didn't want to look racist."

I would write more have to go.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Yes, the Guardian actually asked that question. Social Justice has gotten us to this point. Muslim rape gangs grooming British girls for rape, and SJWs had to figure out how they might figure out how to condemn it. Can't mention any religious aspect, because a religion has somehow mutated into a race and you can't be racist, oh no. Eventually they figured it out - men are all naturally inclined to be gang rapists so this is a crime against all women by all men. But don't mention the WHICH men are doing the gang raping, because that would be racist. Except religion isn't a fucking race.

The grooming of girls in Newcastle is not an issue of race – it’s about misogyny

What’s worse, rape or racism? I found myself posing that question after the Operation Sanctuary investigation was finally made public, revealing horrific abuse of girls and vulnerable young women in Newcastle. I had been moved and inspired by the courage of the victims, testifying, sometimes multiple times, to the most appalling and intimate crimes. And I felt overwhelming anger at the men who had done this, men in my constituency, men who used girls and women as their property without respect for them or thought for their futures.

Yes, you stupid social justice author. It was men, but it was men holding a certain set of beliefs. Only an idiot SJW could possibly make a race out of a group of ideas.

It is clear to anyone with any sort of a conscience - rape is worse. You don't need to figure out a way to safely say it is worse. It is one of the worst crimes imaginable. If your political beliefs prevent you from working against it on the grounds that it might be racist to say what color of ideas are in the heads of those committing these crimes, then you are not working against it. And since when did ideas have a race?

I dare that idiot author to name WHO is doing these grooming gang-rapes. Of course the racial epithets by the people doing this don't count, as seen in the response by one of the victims.

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And, no matter what that idiot SJW author says, Religion is a set of ideas in the head of the person holding it. Religion is not a race.

Given 'white' girls seem to have been chosen and there was racial abuse, race must have had some factor in this. The actual crime of rape is not modified if race or any other factor is used as a justification.

Chi Unwurah's does state this point but there is no reason why the question needs to be


So which is worse, rape or racism? The answer, of course, is to reject any such choice. We must seek out and eradicate misogyny and sexism wherever it may be; condemn absolutely those who would judge or disrespect women and girls on the basis of their appearance or background; recognise that male violence against women has no race and no religion; invest in the measures necessary to prevent others becoming victims; and protect, champion and honour the survivors who, through their bravery, are helping to make our imperfect society safer.

 

[Bloodnf]

Anyone know how many men were convicted of the grooming rapes?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

It's not about absolute numbers (as Muslims are, at least for now, a minority in the UK), but about rates.

So you want to keep comparing the rates of male christian rapists to male muslim rapists. Maybe you should get your head out of the sand and admit it's male rapists.

 

[whichphilosophy]

It's not about absolute numbers (as Muslims are, at least for now, a minority in the UK), but about rates.

So you want to keep comparing the rates of male christian rapists to male muslim rapists. Maybe you should get your head out of the sand and admit it's male rapists.

Of course there rapists of all types of faith. However in this instance it involved Muslim men, but investigations were swept under the carpet for a number of years. Anyone who raised this was labeled a racist. Eventually action was taken.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Of course there rapists of all types of faith. However in this instance it involved Muslim men, but investigations were swept under the carpet for a number of years. Anyone who raised this was labeled a racist. Eventually action was taken.

There still probably are things being swept under the rug for non-Muslim men.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Of course there rapists of all types of faith. However in this instance it involved Muslim men, but investigations were swept under the carpet for a number of years. Anyone who raised this was labeled a racist. Eventually action was taken.

There still probably are things being swept under the rug for non-Muslim men.

In this instance it was through organised gangs and police ignored statements from the victims.