What will be the turning point for some Trump supporters?

[marc]

A lot of people knew George W was a disaster from the start. But many who didn't closely follow politics thought he was ok for a long time. One person I went to see Fahrenheit 911 with thought the film was borderline treasonous, but now knows it was pretty accurate on a lot of stuff. I think for many the moment their eyes were opened was the Katrina disaster.

I think a lot more people see Trump for what he is, but for those that don't, or the 'give him a chance' crowd, what do you think will happen to make them realize he was a major mistake?

 

[bilby]

His use of thermonuclear weapons.

 

[Jayjay]

His use of thermonuclear weapons.

He would grab them by the Pu-239.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

He is a major mistake from one vantage point. From another he's an opportunity. This could be what finally reforms the Democratic party and turns it into something progressive.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

He is a major mistake from one vantage point. From another he's an opportunity. This could be what finally reforms the Democratic party and turns it into something progressive.

Dem party wants Tim Kaine for 2020. No reform for a while.

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Their turning point would be Trump converting to Islam.

 

[credoconsolans]

A lot of people knew George W was a disaster from the start. But many who didn't closely follow politics thought he was ok for a long time. One person I went to see Fahrenheit 911 with thought the film was borderline treasonous, but now knows it was pretty accurate on a lot of stuff. I think for many the moment their eyes were opened was the Katrina disaster.

I think a lot more people see Trump for what he is, but for those that don't, or the 'give him a chance' crowd, what do you think will happen to make them realize he was a major mistake?

No wall.

Then they will justify that with 'it will be an electronic wall'. But when even that doesn't happen, their feelings will be hurt.

Then when 11 million people are not deported. They will feel betrayed.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

It depends on the supporter, since different people supported him for very different reasons.
But if the question is about some Trump supporters, I'd say a failure to build the wall would do it (then again, he might succeed at that). For some supporters, a failure to prevent further job losses will do it. For some supporters, a failure to get enough support to repeal Obamacare will do it. And so on.
In general, a theme might be that he "sold out", and ended up working with the Washington elite.

 

[Jayjay]

I think anyone who thinks that the wall in particular or any other "promises" made by Trump would faze his supporters one bit is deluded. They didn't vote for Trump because of his campaign promises, or because he is an upstanding gentleman who always keeps them (that much was clear during the campaign). They voted for him as a big Fuck Off to the liberaral elites and the media. Trump can ignore anything he told them as long as they get their daily fix of "plain talking" from their chief.

That being said, they might turn if the republicans start making their lives worse by some objective standard. If the economy tanks, if they lose their health coverage or their jobs, and so on. Nothing really to do with the promises like building a wall or deporting immigrants, but things that actually affect their lives.

 

[credoconsolans]

I think anyone who thinks that the wall in particular or any other "promises" made by Trump would faze his supporters one bit is deluded. They didn't vote for Trump because of his campaign promises, or because he is an upstanding gentleman who always keeps them (that much was clear during the campaign). They voted for him as a big Fuck Off to the liberaral elites and the media. Trump can ignore anything he told them as long as they get their daily fix of "plain talking" from their chief.

That being said, they might turn if the republicans start making their lives worse by some objective standard. If the economy tanks, if they lose their health coverage or their jobs, and so on. Nothing really to do with the promises like building a wall or deporting immigrants, but things that actually affect their lives.

It's what Angra said. Depends on the supporters. The racists I know most definitely voted for Trump for his promise to build the wall and export 11 million illegals. They will be very upset if that falls through.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

He is a major mistake from one vantage point. From another he's an opportunity. This could be what finally reforms the Democratic party and turns it into something progressive.

Dem party wants Tim Kaine for 2020. No reform for a while.

If there is anyone from the Democratic Party who hasn't already quit in shame or been fired, they need to be dragged out of the room and thrown into the street. These guys are pathetic.

They lost to Trump, they lost the last midterms, they only managed to squeak out a win with Obama running for re-election and they lost the 2010 midterms. What exactly have they done to merit a job? These people are the problem, not the solution to the problem.

 

[Random Person]

Realistically I don't think there is anything that Trump could do that would cause someone that voted for him to think they should have voted for Hillary.

 

[Ford]

I think anyone who thinks that the wall in particular or any other "promises" made by Trump would faze his supporters one bit is deluded. They didn't vote for Trump because of his campaign promises, or because he is an upstanding gentleman who always keeps them (that much was clear during the campaign). They voted for him as a big Fuck Off to the liberaral elites and the media. Trump can ignore anything he told them as long as they get their daily fix of "plain talking" from their chief.

It is worth noting that he was also a big fuck off to the GOP establishment.

That being said, they might turn if the republicans start making their lives worse by some objective standard. If the economy tanks, if they lose their health coverage or their jobs, and so on. Nothing really to do with the promises like building a wall or deporting immigrants, but things that actually affect their lives.

Nah. Look at the Great Recession. Millions of people lost their jobs. Millions lost their houses. Millions lost their pensions/life savings/retirement. In the heart of all of that there was enough of a backlash to get Obama in the White House and the Democrats in Control of Congress. But it wasn't that conservatives turned against their party. They just turned away temporarily. The Tea Party movement sprang up almost immediately after Obama was sworn in, and who did they blame for all their troubles? Obama and the Democrats. I had many online discussions with ardent conservatives who insisted that the financial crisis was caused by the Democrats when they took over Congress in 2007. Never mind that the wheels had come off the train by that point...no, the thought that Republicans might have had something to do with it didn't enter their minds.

By the 2010 mid term election, the GOP swept back into Congress on the notion that it was those crafty Democrats that had ruined everyone's lives.


Trump supporters are like the Tea Party on steroids. During the primary and the general election, they made it clear that there's nothing vile enough about Trump that would shake their support. Need I say "just grab 'em by the pussy?"

Look at the way they're reacting to the protests over the election results. The people who are flooding into the streets expressing their anger are doing exactly what Trump supporters promised they'd do if he lost. The people who promised to protest a "rigged" election are now complaining about people protesting the election.

I don't think there's anything Trump could do to alienate his supporters. The rest of the GOP will go along because as they did before, they'll figure out a way to turn it around and blame the Democrats.

 

[jonatha]

That being said, they might turn if the republicans start making their lives worse by some objective standard. If the economy tanks, if they lose their health coverage or their jobs, and so on. Nothing really to do with the promises like building a wall or deporting immigrants, but things that actually affect their lives.

I expect the sources of "information" they use to manage to blame any such misfortune on the action (or inaction) of "liberals".

 

[Artemus]

People always turn against a president a year or so after a change when campaign promises haven't materialized. Besides the things people have already mentioned, various Trump supporters will be outraged when Obamacare isn't totally dismantled, Wall Street still has huge influence on the federal government, Hillary Clinton isn't in jail, and the Middle East is still a mess.

Ironically, a demographic that is that largely responsible for Trump getting elected, uneducated whites, is going to be seriously hurt by a Trump presidency through less access to health care and family planning, education, and employment opportunities. I'm going to take the low road and take a little joy in that.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

People always turn against a president a year or so after a change when campaign promises haven't materialized. Besides the things people have already mentioned, various Trump supporters will be outraged when Obamacare isn't totally dismantled, Wall Street still has huge influence on the federal government, Hillary Clinton isn't in jail, and the Middle East is still a mess.

Ironically, a demographic that is that largely responsible for Trump getting elected, uneducated whites, is going to be seriously hurt by a Trump presidency through less access to health care and family planning, education, and employment opportunities. I'm going to take the low road and take a little joy in that.

But the demographic itself is not responsible for anything. Some individuals that are in that category are. Similarly, some (or many, perhaps all) individuals in the demographic get hurt.
A problem for taking joy in that is that the hurt part is not sensitive to the responsibility part. In other words, any negative effects resulting from Trump's policies aren't going to discriminate between people responsible for electing Trump, and people who aren't responsible for electing Trump, regardless of what demographic they get classified in.

 

[Sea of red]

It depends.

If the economy improves the conservatives will no doubt credit Trump and the GOP, and our public is dumb enough to buy that and vote him in a second term. But if/when all of his promises start to crumble, you'll see enough people stop drinking the kool-aid and vote for Democrats in 2018.

The problem is that the Democrats just don't know how to play politics the way Republicans do. They think that if you play nice, talk rationale, and worry about peoples feelings the public will see you as having a superior platform. The reality is that our public can't tell the difference between reality and reality TV - hence, why one of it's stars was elected president.

 

[none]

Do you think the republicans will be as dissolutioned as the liberals are with the democratic party wink wink nod nod?

 

[Artemus]

People always turn against a president a year or so after a change when campaign promises haven't materialized. Besides the things people have already mentioned, various Trump supporters will be outraged when Obamacare isn't totally dismantled, Wall Street still has huge influence on the federal government, Hillary Clinton isn't in jail, and the Middle East is still a mess.

Ironically, a demographic that is that largely responsible for Trump getting elected, uneducated whites, is going to be seriously hurt by a Trump presidency through less access to health care and family planning, education, and employment opportunities. I'm going to take the low road and take a little joy in that.

But the demographic itself is not responsible for anything. Some individuals that are in that category are. Similarly, some (or many, perhaps all) individuals in the demographic get hurt.
A problem for taking joy in that is that the hurt part is not sensitive to the responsibility part. In other words, any negative effects resulting from Trump's policies aren't going to discriminate between people responsible for electing Trump, and people who aren't responsible for electing Trump, regardless of what demographic they get classified in.

Why are you responding as if I spoke in absolutes when I said that the only demographic he won outright was largely responsible in his election and that I would take small joy in watching his strongest supporters I'm surrounded by complain when they are still uneducated and unemployed in a year or two?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

He is a major mistake from one vantage point. From another he's an opportunity. This could be what finally reforms the Democratic party and turns it into something progressive.

Dem party wants Tim Kaine for 2020. No reform for a while.

Well, the repubs wanted Mike Huckabee in 2008 for 2012.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A lot of people knew George W was a disaster from the start. But many who didn't closely follow politics thought he was ok for a long time. One person I went to see Fahrenheit 911 with thought the film was borderline treasonous, but now knows it was pretty accurate on a lot of stuff. I think for many the moment their eyes were opened was the Katrina disaster.

I think a lot more people see Trump for what he is, but for those that don't, or the 'give him a chance' crowd, what do you think will happen to make them realize he was a major mistake?

W had no supporters around November 2008. I don't think anyone had voted for him in '00 or '04 at that point.