What's with the dopey Russian coaches?

[barbos]

Strength is useful. Thus doping is useful.

That particular drug does not give Strength. So it's useless.

Strength is far from the only attribute that makes an athlete successful.

Trimetazidine, known as TMZ, is a drug used to treat angina and other heart-related conditions. It works by increasing blood flow to the heart and limiting rapid swings in blood pressure. ... This is illegal for athletes to use both in and out of competition as it can increase blood flow efficiency and improve endurance.

What is trimetazidine, the heart drug at the center of Russia's doping scandal?

Russian star figure skater Kamila Valieva was temporarily suspended after she tested positive for trimetazidine. But what is TMZ and why is it banned?

www.usatoday.com

yes, it's useful for swimmers and other endurance disciplines, not in figure skating.

Have you ever watched figure skating--how wiped the athletes look after skating a long program, which lasts 4 minutes, considerably much longer than a sprint? it requires almost continuous physical exertion, maintaining good blood flow to the heart, and endurance to keep preforming the difficult moves towards the end of a program, not just at the beginning--that gets you the highest marks.

Well, the only thing I watch in the Olympics is women's figure skating. So yeah I have watched it. It's a sprint. Pretty much every figure skating expert agrees that doping does not work in figure skating. Well, maybe some weight loss drugs if you have problem with weight.

 

[Copernicus]

She is 15. Body is growing. When I was 15 I had high blood pressure and something happening in the heart. That's pretty normal and covered by therapeutic exception.
In this case she was taking allowed drug and took her grandfather pill by accident.

It is one thing to take a drug under the supervision of a doctor to correct a health condition. It is quite another to give it to a child in order to use that child's enhanced performance to win awards. If they were dosing her with two "allowed drugs" (with unknown side effects), then it is weirdly coincidental that she got another performance-enhancing drug into her blood that happened to be proscribed and happened to be prescribed for her grandfather. Or so they say.

The purpose of the dosing restrictions is not just to prevent an advantage in a competition. A lot of people seem to think that doping restrictions are only about that. It is about the exploitation of athletes--in this case a minor--by unscrupulous coaches and governments treating Olympic medals as politically useful. The coach in charge has earned her reputation and income by specializing in turning out these very young girl athletes. So she has an incentive to exploit these young girls. The doctor in charge of the skaters' health is a known specialist in doping children. He knows more about the effects of these drugs than barbos, so why give these drugs to the skaters if they think they have no effect on performance?

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Well, the only thing I watch in the Olympics is women's figure skating. So yeah I have watched it. It's a sprint. Pretty much every figure skating expert agrees that doping does not work in figure skating. Well, maybe some weight loss drugs if you have problem with weight.

The coach and the doctor are more expert than barbos, and they disagree with him. After all, they got her to take at least three performance-enhancing drugs. (And, no, the "grandfather" tale is too preposterous to take seriously, especially in light of the "allowed" drugs they were pumping into her.)

 

[Copernicus]

Just to add some context, consider this entry in Wikipedia:  Doping in Russia. The state-supported program goes back at least to the 1980s, and there is no reason to believe that the old KGB apparatchik running the current government is going to want it stopped.

Systematic doping of Russian athletes has resulted in 46 Olympic medals stripped from Russia (and Russian associated teams), four times the number of the next highest, and more than 30% of the total.[1] Russia has the most competitors who have been caught doping at the Olympic Games in the world, with more than 150.[2]

Doping among Russian competitors is distinct from doping among nationals of other countries in that the Russian state has supplied steroids and other drugs to sportspeople. Due to widespread violations of anti-doping regulations, including an attempt to sabotage ongoing investigations by the manipulation of computer data, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) in 2019 banned the Russian Federation from all major sporting events - including the Olympic Games - for four years.[3] In 2020 the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) reduced the ban period to two years following an appeal by Russia. Competitors from Russia meanwhile may take part in international competitions under a neutral flag and designation.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And previous doping was possible because russian officials were replacing samples.
Here, according to you, they were doping and not replacing. That's too dumb even for russians. And again that drug is useless in figure skating. I understand drugs which control weight ARE useful there, but that's not this one.

The amount found indicates she was being tapered. As far as not useful, I’m uncertain why you think figure skaters train just 5 or 10 minutes a day.

Only woman who can land a quad has heart strengthening medicine found in her blood. Nothing to see here. CIA.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile, a Russian showing very low class. Guy flipping double birds in speed skating event.

I've seen a few instances of Russian cross country skiers showing absolutely no empathy or care for competitors at World Cup events. A very "I yield for nobody" mindset.

 

[barbos]

Only woman who can land a quad has heart strengthening medicine found in her blood. Nothing to see here. CIA.

What do you mean the only woman? All 3 russians can land quads.
And Trusova just landed 5 of them in one program.

You are clearly don't know what are you talking about.

The amount found indicates she was being tapered. As far as not useful, I’m uncertain why you think figure skaters train just 5 or 10 minutes a day.

You clearly don't have a clue.


Anyway, this crap worked, she was not able to compete.
I am pissed off.

 

[barbos]

I've seen a few instances of Russian cross country skiers showing absolutely no empathy or care for competitors at World Cup events. A very "I yield for nobody" mindset.

It's actually pretty common among all cross country skiers and skaters.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I've seen a few instances of Russian cross country skiers showing absolutely no empathy or care for competitors at World Cup events. A very "I yield for nobody" mindset.

It's actually pretty common among all cross country skiers and skaters.

I've watched plenty of World Cup events, and while it can get testy when skiers get too close, Russians have at times gone out of their way to be dicks.

 

[barbos]

I've watched plenty of World Cup events, and while it can get testy when skiers get too close, Russians have at times gone out of their way to be dicks.

You've never seen Norwegian/swedes?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Only woman who can land a quad has heart strengthening medicine found in her blood. Nothing to see here. CIA.

What do you mean the only woman? All 3 russians can land quads.

They out of Chernobyl?

And Trusova just landed 5 of them in one program.

You are clearly don't know what are you talking about.

Women landing a triple axel are very rare, amounting to 12 to have landed them in major competitions, ever. Harding, Bonaly, Ito, Nagasu... it is a very limited number of women. Bonaly was a beast of a skater, incredibly talented, wasn't able to manage a quad in competition. But Russia has unlocked the code for Quads before triple axels even became common place for women? That is called a red flag.

The amount found indicates she was being tapered. As far as not useful, I’m uncertain why you think figure skaters train just 5 or 10 minutes a day.

You clearly don't have a clue.

What about training over long periods of time and the benefits of a stronger heart are you incapable of grasping?

Anyway, this crap worked, she was not able to compete.
I am pissed off.

There is that sense of entitlement. This girl was juiced by her coaching staff. They were caught. But woah is Russia.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I've watched plenty of World Cup events, and while it can get testy when skiers get too close, Russians have at times gone out of their way to be dicks.

You've never seen Norwegian/swedes?

...Latvians, Ukraianians, French, Americans, Fins, etc...

 

[barbos]

What about training over long periods of time and the benefits of a stronger heart are you incapable of grasping?

It's pointless, all experts are saying it's pointless.
Figure skating is about fine body control and strength/weight ratio.
They don't train themselves to death like long distance runners.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What about training over long periods of time and the benefits of a stronger heart are you incapable of grasping?

It's pointless, all experts are saying it's pointless.
Figure skating about fine body control and strength/weight ratio.

And endurance to be doing Quads repeatedly. Mark McGuire didn't need drugs to hit a homerun. He needed drugs to allow his body to do it all season.

 

[barbos]

There is that sense of entitlement. This girl was juiced by her coaching staff. They were caught. But woah is Russia.

Sure, all other girls clean, all her other tests also clean.

 

[ZiprHead]

It's pointless, all experts are saying it's pointless.

Well, hey, if ALL experts say it, it must be true.

 

[barbos]

What about training over long periods of time and the benefits of a stronger heart are you incapable of grasping?

It's pointless, all experts are saying it's pointless.
Figure skating about fine body control and strength/weight ratio.

And endurance to be doing Quads repeatedly. Mark McGuire didn't need drugs to hit a homerun. He needed drugs to allow his body to do it all season.

Dude, you don't have a clue.

 

[ZiprHead]

What about training over long periods of time and the benefits of a stronger heart are you incapable of grasping?

It's pointless, all experts are saying it's pointless.
Figure skating about fine body control and strength/weight ratio.

And endurance to be doing Quads repeatedly. Mark McGuire didn't need drugs to hit a homerun. He needed drugs to allow his body to do it all season.

Dude, you don't have a clue.

ALL experts say neither do you.

 

[barbos]

It's pointless, all experts are saying it's pointless.

Well, hey, if ALL experts say it, it must be true.

It IS true. I am just informing you that crap you are spewing here makes no sense.

 

[barbos]

What about training over long periods of time and the benefits of a stronger heart are you incapable of grasping?

It's pointless, all experts are saying it's pointless.
Figure skating about fine body control and strength/weight ratio.

And endurance to be doing Quads repeatedly. Mark McGuire didn't need drugs to hit a homerun. He needed drugs to allow his body to do it all season.

Dude, you don't have a clue.

ALL experts say neither do you.

No, they don't.

 

[ZiprHead]

What about training over long periods of time and the benefits of a stronger heart are you incapable of grasping?

It's pointless, all experts are saying it's pointless.
Figure skating about fine body control and strength/weight ratio.

And endurance to be doing Quads repeatedly. Mark McGuire didn't need drugs to hit a homerun. He needed drugs to allow his body to do it all season.

Dude, you don't have a clue.

ALL experts say neither do you.

No, they don't.

Irony has died again.