who is a muslim?

[Syed]

let me answer this way does god knows a baby will grow up and kill someone ? NO because god gave freewill to that child

God knows everything. He gave freewill to that child, yes. His knowing what a child will do doesn't mean He causes the child to do what he will.

yes and no

god knows EVERY thing in the universe BUT god does NOT know how will child will USE his freewill

maybe we both agree the same

 

[TSwizzle]

a human will not die UNTIL god command to die

If someone was murdered, does that mean allah ordered the hit ?

 

[Syed]

the meaning of freewill is god does not know what will you do in future

Freewill is the ability to do as we please without compulsion. God doesn't compell us to act by knowing how we will act.

i agree with you

this is HARD subject, how much does god knows AND how much god does not know ( human's future actions )

 

[Syed]

a human will not die UNTIL god command to die

If someone was murdered, does that mean allah ordered the hit ?

YES and NO

you can not KILL anyone but ONLY injured

for example

you shoot someone on the head with the gun and he is brain dead but live

than god will decide to heal that person or to end his stay live on earth

 

[TSwizzle]

If someone was murdered, does that mean allah ordered the hit ?

YES and NO

you can not KILL anyone but ONLY injured

for example

you shoot someone on the head with the gun and he is brain dead but live

than god will decide to heal that person or to end his stay live on earth

Oh come now, most shots to the head are fatal. Did allah order the hit ?

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

THEISM

The belief that there was once absolutely nothing except an all-powerful being. And the being got bored and poofed everything into existence (for no reason), creating everything and everywhere. Then a bunch of the magically created everything ate a fruit (because it was told not to), and now the all-powerful being will fuck you up for all time if you put your penis/vagina in the wrong place.

mine is better than your

Yah boo. Mine has at least the virtue of originality, while yours is just copied 'n' pasted from some tawdry website, most likely a christian one, to boot. So obviously mine is better. Sucks to be you.

 

[Keith&Co.]

My, what a bullshit response. You're reducing God's knowledge of the future to my ability to extrapolate some actions based on some experience with a certain part of the population.
that is nothing at all like your description of your god's foreknowledge.

If I turn my back on the kids for a period of time, I do not KNOW what rule they will break, though I am confident they will break at least one.


And, you're saying that God leaving the kids in the Garden of Eden was about as irresponsible as giving candy to a child and forbidding them to eat it.

the meaning of freewill is god does not know what will you do in future

That is not what you said in the OP.
And no where is that a definition of free will.

 

[Keith&Co.]

If someone was murdered, does that mean allah ordered the hit ?

YES and NO

you can not KILL anyone but ONLY injured

So if i launched a missile and it nuked a city, no one in it's dead until God decides if they're to live or die....
Seems... Ill-thought out, Syed.

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

God knows everything. He gave freewill to that child, yes. His knowing what a child will do doesn't mean He causes the child to do what he will.

yes and no

god knows EVERY thing in the universe BUT god does NOT know how will child will USE his freewill

maybe we both agree the same

So not only are you giving your god attributes (i.e. omniscience) which, although Mo indulges in it himself, is expressly forbidden in the koran ... but you're setting limits on those attributes, too. You did the same with regards to his supposed omnibenevolence earlier, too (he'll forgive small sins but not great ones). Interesting.

 

[fast]

God knows everything. He gave freewill to that child, yes. His knowing what a child will do doesn't mean He causes the child to do what he will.

yes and no

god knows EVERY thing in the universe BUT god does NOT know how will child will USE his freewill

maybe we both agree the same

He is not ignorant of how a child will later use his freewill. He knows all that has happened, all that is happening, and all that will ever happen. But, just because He knows how a child will react, that doesn't mean that everything a child will do is something a child must do. They will do just as God knows they will do, but not everything that a child will do is something a child must do. Children (as do adults) have free will, and it just so happens that God is fully aware of what choices people will make, and though that does mean everything that will happen will happen just as He knows they will happen, there is not therefore a causal link whereby their actions is a function of His knowledge.

 

[Syed]

YES and NO

you can not KILL anyone but ONLY injured

for example

you shoot someone on the head with the gun and he is brain dead but live

than god will decide to heal that person or to end his stay live on earth

Oh come now, most shots to the head are fatal. Did allah order the hit ?

no

 

[Syed]

YES and NO

you can not KILL anyone but ONLY injured

So if i launched a missile and it nuked a city, no one in it's dead until God decides if they're to live or die....

yes, since the most of them will be badly injured so god will end their suffering

 

[Syed]

yes and no

god knows EVERY thing in the universe BUT god does NOT know how will child will USE his freewill

maybe we both agree the same

He is not ignorant of how a child will later use his freewill..

how does god knows that?

did god write child will ?

 

[Keith&Co.]

So if i launched a missile and it nuked a city, no one in it's dead until God decides if they're to live or die....

yes, since the most of them will be badly injured so god will end their suffering

Nuclear, Syed.
Not badly injured. Vaporized. You're saying i can vaporize people and it's still up to God whether or not they die or are merely injured.

See, you're on an atheist site, telling us what atheism is, and you're balls-out wrong.
You're talking up your god and you keep contradicting yourself, which makes you balls-out wrong.
You state facts about your god and our place in the universe and how rocks are muslim... And just basic statistics tells us that what you're saying is ball-in-the-breeze wrong.

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He is not ignorant of how a child will later use his freewill..

how does god knows that?

Dood, YOU ARE THE ONE who said God knows all and we can do nothing except what he intends. NOW you question the logical consequences of your previous utterances?
What's left? Balls-on-a-flagpole wrong?

 

[Syed]

yes, since the most of them will be badly injured so god will end their suffering

Nuclear, Syed.
Not badly injured. Vaporized. You're saying i can vaporize people and it's still up to God whether or not they die

yes

 

[Keith&Co.]

Nuclear, Syed.
Not badly injured. Vaporized. You're saying i can vaporize people and it's still up to God whether or not they die

yes

How?
How does God hold this much authority?
How would God keep a non-corporeal being alive?

And....how do you know this to be true? What examples or stories allow you to know this fact?

 

[Syed]

yes

How?
How does God hold this much authority?
How would God keep a non-corporeal being alive?

like i said god have power over every atom,

QURAN

This is so, because Allah is the Reality: it is He Who gives life to the dead, and it is He Who has power over all things.

"Does he promise that when ye die and become dust and bones, ye shall be brought forth (again)?

They say: "What! when we die and become dust and bones, could we really be raised up again?

They say: "What! when we are reduced to bones and dust, should we really be raised up (to be) a new creation?"

And they (sometimes) say: "There is nothing except our life on this earth, and never shall we be raised up again."

Man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?"

The Unbelievers say: "What! when we become dust,- we and our fathers,- shall we really be raised (from the dead)?


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QURAN

It is He Who brings out the living from the dead, and brings out the dead from the living, and Who gives life to the earth after it is dead: and thus shall ye be brought out (from the dead).

This is so, because Allah is the Reality: it is He Who gives life to the dead, and it is He Who has power over all things.


Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.

Then We raised you up after your death: Ye had the chance to be grateful.

Every soul will taste death. Then to Us will you be returned.


THINGS WE CANT DO

QURAN........Nor did We give them bodies that ate no food, nor were they exempt from death.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

All people are not the same and a lot of what makes us who we are is genetic and influenced by the environment... ie stuff that we have little control over. God on the other hand...

Regardless, it seems a bit silly to judge everyone on the same scale when so much that wasn't within our control makes us who we become.

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god will forgive all our small sin except our big sin

In what position justifies god's ability to judge. God puts us on this dangerous planet with animals that'll kill you, weather events that'll kill you, meteors that'll kill you, and created us as psychotic apes... and despite this entirely unsafe living environment, God feels the justification to judge our actions in trying to just survive this inhospitable planet.

And this ignores the one minor fruit eating incident where God flips out and banishes mankind from Paradise. It is almost like God is Donald Trump.

 

[sdelsolray]

And what does God himself say?

"Nothing shall ever happen to us except what God has ordained for us." (Quran 9:51)

Not a leaf falls but that He knows it. And no grain is there within the darkness of the earth and no moist or dry [thing] but that is [written] in a clear record.” (Quran 6:59)

Sounds quite boring.

 

[sdelsolray]

My, what a bullshit response. You're reducing God's knowledge of the future to my ability to extrapolate some actions based on some experience with a certain part of the population.
that is nothing at all like your description of your god's foreknowledge.

If I turn my back on the kids for a period of time, I do not KNOW what rule they will break, though I am confident they will break at least one.


And, you're saying that God leaving the kids in the Garden of Eden was about as irresponsible as giving candy to a child and forbidding them to eat it.

the meaning of freewill is god does not know what will you do in future

Houston...We have a breakthrough! Syed's sky fairy is not omniscient!