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The bible is what it is.
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." ³⁹But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
"An eye for an eye" (Biblical Hebrew: עַ֚יִן תַּ֣חַת עַ֔יִן)[a] or the law of retaliation (Latin: lex talionis)[1] is the principle that a person who has injured another person is to be penalized to a similar degree, and the person inflicting such punishment should be the injured party. In softer interpretations, it means the victim receives the [estimated] value of the injury in compensation.[2] The intent behind the principle was to restrict compensation to the value of the loss.[1]
In religion
The principle was first referenced in the Code of Hammurabi, which predates the Hebrew bible. In the Hebrew Law, the "eye for eye" was to restrict compensation to the value of the loss. Thus, it might be better read 'only one eye for one eye'.[1] The idiomatic biblical phrase "an eye for an eye" in Exodus and Leviticus (עין תחת עין, ayin tachat ayin) literally means 'an eye under/(in place of) an eye' while a slightly different phrase (עַיִן בְּעַיִן שֵׁן בְּשֵׁן, literally "eye for an eye; tooth for a tooth") is used in another passage (Deuteronomy) in the context of possible reciprocal court sentences for failed false witnesses.[8][9][10] The passage in Leviticus states, "And a man who injures his countryman – as he has done, so it shall be done to him [namely,] fracture under/for fracture, eye under/for eye, tooth under/for tooth. Just as another person has received injury from him, so it will be given to him." (Lev. 24:19–21).[8] For an example of תחת being used in its regular sense of under, see Lev. 22:27 "A bull, sheep or goat, when it is born shall remain under its mother, and from the eighth day..."
Judaism
Isaac Kalimi explains that the "lex talionis was humanized by the Rabbis who interpreted "an eye for an eye" to mean reasonable pecuniary compensation. As in the case of the Babylonian 'lex talionis', ethical Judaism and humane Jewish jurisprudence replaces the peshat (literal meaning) of the written Torah.[11] Pasachoff and Littman point to the reinterpretation of the lex talionis as an example of the ability of Pharisaic Judaism to "adapt to changing social and intellectual ideas."[12]
Contextless quotes are inherently dodgy.
An admonition requires no context. It is its own context. Don't do X. What context is necessary for you to not do X (other than doing X, of course, and now I want to trip).
Contextless quotes are inherently dodgy.
An admonition requires no context. It is its own context. Don't do X. What context is necessary for you to not do X (other than doing X, of course, and now I want to trip).
There exists hypocrisy inherent in the bible even for followers who are trying. Also, hypocrisy of humans trying to game the system (against an omniscient god? but whatever..) and put on a good face while doing nasty stuff.
Boredom and apathy to their supernatural claims will help break down their defenses better than anger.
Attack them for being hypocrites and assholes and if you can help it NEVER mention the bible. It really means nothing at all, it is below mention for talking about what we as individuals will do as far as ethics and decisions. Give them no ground and no conversation. It is on its way to be utterly irrelevant.
I don't want to concede that supernatural claims of the bible have ANY validity. Call them hypocritical followers and it may actually strengthen their faith. It is not logical but that is how people are
Something like street epistemology seems like a better idea.
Every motherfucker everywhere can be a hypocrite. Who fucking cares?
This is a poor way to attack religion for specific types of people. In fact this method can itself be hypocritical especially if employed by a person who actually a shithead in their general actions. Of course lots of atheists are nice and above average in generosity and low in hypocrisy. But it still is there.
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This is just a general example of what I think atheists should avoid. If you are concerned about refugees you might get a short term boost by pointing out hypocrisy, but why give the religion any credence and airtime?
Find non religious ways to talk about refugees.
I have a life outside of TFT. There I get to be an asshole with impunity. Here I have volunteered to curtail the raging asshole within.
Competing with one another to see who's hermeneutic can be the dodgiest.
There is no interpretation involved in that passage. Jesus is admonishing, not offering a parable. Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Matthew 7:1-5 New International Version (NIV)
Judging Others
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Not exactly..... It is not telling you not to judge.......
Matthew 7:1-5 New International Version (NIV)
Judging Others
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
.....it telling you how to judge. Get your own act together first AND THEN HELP your brother. Parable?
Typical misinterpretation caused by cherry picking.
Likely because it is obvious that many Christians have never actually read the Bible.Why do many atheists throw bible passages at Christians
"An eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind."
- Mahatmas Ghandi
Likely because it is obvious that many Christians have never actually read the Bible.Why do many atheists throw bible passages at Christians
Likely because it is obvious that many Christians have never actually read the Bible.Why do many atheists throw bible passages at Christians
There is a lot of truth to that.
There is a lot of truth to that.
Most of them really don't read or care about what the Bible says.
Likely because it is obvious that many Christians have never actually read the Bible.Why do many atheists throw bible passages at Christians
Most of them really don't read or care about what the Bible says.
Likely because it is obvious that many Christians have never actually read the Bible.Why do many atheists throw bible passages at Christians
There is a lot of truth to that.
That is a strangely cavalier attitude for a Christian. Christians supposedly believe that the Bible tells them everything they need to know about how to live to insure that they will get that gold ticket to heaven. If I believed that eternal bliss could be attained by simply reading and believing everything in a specific book then I would be constantly reading and rereading that sucker to be sure I didn't miss anything.Likely because it is obvious that many Christians have never actually read the Bible.Why do many atheists throw bible passages at Christians
There is a lot of truth to that.
Agreed but how few out of the many DO actually read the bible?
Lets just say modestly, there'd still be a few million (even with several thousand) which is more than enough looking at the bible from all angles to "spread the word" so to speak" or to explain their findings to other Christians.
It is not as simple as a one-man-project to know ALL there is about the whole bible, which should be obvious. Understanding of the Gospels increases because we learn from each other etc. and etc..