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Another thread prompted the OP question - Why do Non-Christians vastly outnumber Christians?

According to
  List of religious populations out of roughly 7.8 billion religionists, Christians are about 31% of that total (which excludes atheists).

Why do you think that is?
 
Christianity is just one of the world's many religions, but being associated with the Roman Empire, and later Europe, it now takes the lion's share. The only feasible way for it not to be outnumbered, would be if mission work was successful in a wider variety of regions. But for various reasons it wasn't really successful in some areas, like parts of Asia for example.
 
If you look at the other successful religions that should give you an idea of where mission work wasn't successful. In these regions successful religion and culture was already established, so Christianity couldn't take hold.
 
Another thread prompted the OP question - Why do Non-Christians vastly outnumber Christians?

According to
  List of religious populations out of roughly 7.8 billion religionists, Christians are about 31% of that total (which excludes atheists).

Why do you think that is?
Why wouldn't they? Christianity never had much purchase in the most densely populated regions of our world.
 
Another thread prompted the OP question - Why do Non-Christians vastly outnumber Christians?

According to
  List of religious populations out of roughly 7.8 billion religionists, Christians are about 31% of that total (which excludes atheists).

Why do you think that is?
I expect it's because the other 61% aren't sufficiently frightened of going to hell, or have no particular desire to live forever.

;)
 
Another thread prompted the OP question - Why do Non-Christians vastly outnumber Christians?

According to
  List of religious populations out of roughly 7.8 billion religionists, Christians are about 31% of that total (which excludes atheists).

Why do you think that is?
Why wouldn't they? Christianity never had much purchase in the most densely populated regions of our world.
What explains Christianity’s lack of success there?
 
Another thread prompted the OP question - Why do Non-Christians vastly outnumber Christians?

According to
  List of religious populations out of roughly 7.8 billion religionists, Christians are about 31% of that total (which excludes atheists).

Why do you think that is?
Why wouldn't they? Christianity never had much purchase in the most densely populated regions of our world.
Indeed. Wikipedia tells me that according to Danny Quah, Professor in Economics at the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, National University of Singapore, half of the world's population lives inside a circle centered on the township of Mong Khet in Myanmar, with a radius of just 3,300 kilometers (2,050 mi).

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Another thread prompted the OP question - Why do Non-Christians vastly outnumber Christians?

According to
  List of religious populations out of roughly 7.8 billion religionists, Christians are about 31% of that total (which excludes atheists).

Why do you think that is?
Why wouldn't they? Christianity never had much purchase in the most densely populated regions of our world.
What explains Christianity’s lack of success there?

Likely the power of the culture they're trying to convert.

Some (Africans, pagans) might respond with reverence. Others (Muslims, Buddhists) might just call you a heretic.
 
It's mainly because one of our members hasn't received his Chinese work visa yet. They're still trying to figure out his Superman costume.
 
Another thread prompted the OP question - Why do Non-Christians vastly outnumber Christians?

According to
  List of religious populations out of roughly 7.8 billion religionists, Christians are about 31% of that total (which excludes atheists).

Why do you think that is?
Why wouldn't they? Christianity never had much purchase in the most densely populated regions of our world.
What explains Christianity’s lack of success there?
We're talking about an enormous area of land, people, and cultures, and I don't think there's a universal answer that would apply to all of it. Especially as we're talking about an issue, religious identity, that is only partially social in nature.

But if we must speculate, knowing that we are speculating, here are some possible factors to consider:

- European colonization largely failed in those places. China, Korea and Japan resisted foreign influence almost altogether. India and Southeast Asia were politically dominated for a short period of time, but ultimately threw off their shackles before a christonormative cultural hegemony had time or even license to form.

- A lot of the rhetoric Christian missionization uses has less obvious appeal for someone already belonging to an Axial Age religion founded on consensus reverence for a group of ancient texts, as per all of the Vedic faiths that are dominant in those same nations, and syncretic Taoism. There is no Holy-Book-shaped hole in a Taoist's life, and indeed a lot of central Christian ideas would come across as duplicate concepts. The incarnation of Jesus doesn't seem as remarkable to a Hindu, and indeed if you've grown up believing that your traditions are older, a lot of Jesus stories sound like bargain-basement knockoffs of the Krishna stories you already know.

- I think a common cultural preference for pluri-religiosity is also a (related) factor. In the absence of a state-backed Church to tell them not to, your average Buddhist or Taoist who felt compelled to say a prayer to Jesus, or add a niche for him in the family stupa, or add his avatar to the list of names in your mantra for another Deva, etc, they would would just do so. No need for conversion, just addition.

- In some places, competition with other more appealing Western philosophies is a factor. Marxism and (public) religiosity mix about as well as fire and water. "Opiate of the Masses", I believe is the popular mantra? Islam, likewise. There's a preset place for Christianity in the social world of the Dar-al-Islam, and it isn't a great place.

- It matters, too, what has come to be associated with "modernity" and the corresponding benefits of international trade and exchange. In, say, Luganville, San Sebastian, or Mbale, participation in the local church is your connection to important people, your passport to global exchange and technology. In Tianjin it would only be a additional barrier isolating you from that same exchange.
 
In China we had the Tiepei Rebellion. A cult version of Christianity rapidly spread and eventually dragged China into a massive civil war were an estimated 20 million people died. Here in America, many still are deeply emotionally affect by the loss of the Confederacy in our civil war. So one can imagine what many Chinese feel about their cival war. And why the Chinese government keeps tight reign on Christian churches. The Boxer Rebellion was against Western powers that were controlling coastal regions of China. And against Christian missionaries and their Christian followers who were seen as working against China as agents of the Western nations. As an aftermath to the Boxer Rebellion, Christians in many parts of China were no longer welcome by most Chinese patriots. And violently forced to leave. In the era of the Tieping Rebellion, there were several Muslim rebellions in West China. The recent history of China and Christianity was violent, and dangerous. Once one knows about the history of Christianity in China, that will explain a lot about China's present attitudes towards Christianity, Islam and churches.
 
Another thread prompted the OP question - Why do Non-Christians vastly outnumber Christians?

According to
  List of religious populations out of roughly 7.8 billion religionists, Christians are about 31% of that total (which excludes atheists).

Why do you think that is?
Considering that Christianity is being compared to many other groups, 31 percent is an amazingly large proportion of the world's population. So the answer is that it takes vast numbers of religious groups jumbled together to overcome Christianity's numbers. Whatever else we might think of Christianity, it is the undisputed champ of influencing large numbers of people.
 
Considering that Christianity is being compared to many other groups, 31 percent is an amazingly large proportion of the world's population. So the answer is that it takes vast numbers of religious groups jumbled together to overcome Christianity's numbers. Whatever else we might think of Christianity, it is the undisputed champ of influencing large numbers of people.
Losing more than one in every three doesn't strike me as the record of an undisputed champ. Even a hotly disputed contender would need a better record before calling himself "champ", if he didn't want to get laughed at and thought a braggart, as well as a loser.
 
According to a 2021 Gallup Korea poll, 60% identify with no religion, 17% with Protestantism, 16% with Buddhism, 6% with Catholicism, and 1% with other religions.
Anyone remember the South Korean Christian Moonies?

What are the religious demographics of Japan?
Religious affiliation includes 88.9 million Shinto followers (48.6 percent), 84.8 million Buddhists (46.3 percent), 1.9 million Christians (1 percent), and 7.4 million adherents of other religious groups (4 percent).

China as numerous ethnic traditions.
According to Boston University's 2020 World Religion Database, there are 499 million folk and ethnic religionists (34 percent), 474 million agnostics (33 percent), 228 million Buddhists (16 percent), 106 million Christians (7.4 percent), 100 million atheists (7 percent), 23.7 million Muslims (1.7 percent), and other ...

Christians—2.2 billion followers (representing 31.5% of the world's population) Muslims—1.6 billion (23.2%) Non-religious people—1.1 billion (16.3%) Hindus—1 billion (15.0%)

What is the main religion in North Korea?
North Korea is an atheist state where public religion is discouraged. Based on estimates from the late 1990s and the 2000s, North Korea is mostly atheist and agnostic with the religious life dominated by the traditions of Korean shamanism and Chondoism.
 
Christianity is just one of the world's many religions, but being associated with the Roman Empire, and later Europe, it now takes the lion's share. The only feasible way for it not to be outnumbered, would be if mission work was successful in a wider variety of regions. But for various reasons it wasn't really successful in some areas, like parts of Asia for example.
When I composed the OP on the thread about Christians outnumbering atheists, I was referring to Christians outnumbering atheists worldwide because that's the limit of knowledge we have on all Christians and all atheists. If I was referring to smaller regions, then I would have said so.

Moreover, it should come as no surprise at all that non-Christians outnumber Christians because as I've pointed out, we are comparing one group of people to all the other groups combined. A good analogy is to point out that Mike is the strongest man on the football team. Would you try to counter that claim by pointing out that the rest of the team together is much stronger than Mike?

So the question asked in this thread's OP is really dumb.
 
I think the main answer is heavily related to imperialism. There are probably some side issues of both the Founder Principle and also how forceful and pressuring the religionists can be as well.

So, for example, some religions these days do not focus so much on conversions and exerting undue influence to convert but others do. Christianity at some point was very physically forceful but now relies more on institutional pressures and mental manipulations. While Judaism is older, it isn't out proselytizing, coercing, and trying to force conversions worlwide. We know that Christianity is a spin-off from Judaism but it really owes its greater success to the aforementioned mechanisms. In comparison to a more modern (historically) founded religion like, say Islam, Islam's rate of affiliation would appear way, way faster than Christianity's and perhaps this is because even today there is reliance on extreme force and conversion, at least in some part of the world. Christianity may have an advantage over Islam in that it existed for centuries beforehand so if the numbers are now on par, that really speaks to how there has been more rapid increase in Muslim numbers. We should really be able to predict a bigger increase as Islam overtakes Christianity and this probably is at a root cause of worry for many conservatives, Christian nationalists, and others.

There are quite a lot of Christians and Muslims in Africa due to historical colonization and the subsequent institutional pressures. They are still having wars there as a mix of religious and tribal affiliation. BUT in comparison to EAST Asia and SOUTH Asia, Christian empires never really gained a foothold to a large extent. The Founder Principle still keeps going the older religions like Hinduism and Buddhism. There aren't really institutional pressures to get someone to become a Christian as much in East Asia or South Asia as there are in the US because these locations never had the Christian empire take over and take charge of institutions like marriage, family values, baptisms, education, etc.

There's also a small number of atheists, agnostics, etc as we are aware that exist in some of these territories that have experienced a partial kind of freedom of religious association, even if there are extraordinary pressures. In modern times, say in the US, no one is violently forcing conversions into Christianity (except maybe baptisms of crying babies and a few extremist parents beating their kids, but aside from that!) and so there is an uptick in rejection of religion. As time goes on, and more facts are understood about the past, people tend to have to either throw out religious stories or adapt them in alignment with scientific and historical facts. Sometimes the rejections are enough to create more doubt and more atheists.

BUT, overall, the answer seems to be that there wasn't really an empire in recent times affiliated with Christianity that dominated more than half the world to the exclusion of other competing empires affiliated with other religions.
 
Let me just do some quick arithmetic.

There are 1.8 billion Muslims. Islam has existed for about 1400 years. So that's an average of about 1.3M converts per year.
There are 2.38 billion Christians. Christianity has existed for about 2000 years. So that's an average of about 1.2M converts per year.

So it seems like the rate of conversion has been on-par when you look at it linearly like this. However, the growth may be more exponential-like with some kind of limiting factor. If we ignored the limiting factor and assumed exponential growth, Islam appears far more successful.
 
And why the hell is my church (Tibetan Orthodox Bok Choyist) not doing better? Our sacraments do revolve around cabbage. But cabbage is good for you, goddammit. (TOBCs are allowed to swear; it's even encouraged as a sign of robust faith in the face of worldwide derision. Fuck the Abrahamic religions.)
Okay, who wants to sign up?
 
So the question asked in this thread's OP is really dumb.
Given that you are the OP in the other thread,
The irony of this assertion is rich!

Both questions are kinda dumb. Unless you have an underlying view you don't want to defend.
Tom
 
And why the hell is my church (Tibetan Orthodox Bok Choyist) not doing better? Our sacraments do revolve around cabbage. But cabbage is good for you, goddammit. (TOBCs are allowed to swear; it's even encouraged as a sign of robust faith in the face of worldwide derision. Fuck the Abrahamic religions.)
Okay, who wants to sign up?

I'm not big on Asian cuisine. But I love green vegetables.

I honestly prefer Brussels Sprouts to chocolate. It's kinda like cabbage.

Tom

ETA ~Somebody said that somebody said that bok choi is code for a kinky sex ritual that some men enjoy on occasion. Feel free to illustrate.~
 
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