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Why go to Mars?

Going to Mars (I mean visiting, not staying) is lesser evil than going to (invading) Iraq.


With Musk you just don't know whether or not he is serious or BSing.

And visiting Mars with current state of propulsion is no fun, forget about colonizing. You need nuclear propulsion to make it even remotely fun
 
Indeed. Currently a trip to Mars would take about seven months to get there. Then, because of orbital mechanics, whoever went would have to stay there for about two years until Earth and Mars again aligned for the return trip which would be another about seven months. So a 'quick trip' to Mars and back will take about three years.

But Elon has an answer to this problem... no 'quick trip'. He has advertised for volunteers to make a one-way trip to set up a permanent colony. As I understand, there have been a few hundred thousand people who have volunteered though most were eliminated in the selection process and there are a hundred that made the cut. The proposed plan is to send some of these volunteers to Mars by 2024.
 
Indeed. Currently a trip to Mars would take about seven months to get there. Then, because of orbital mechanics, whoever went would have to stay there for about two years until Earth and Mars again aligned for the return trip which would be another about seven months. So a 'quick trip' to Mars and back will take about three years.

But Elon has an answer to this problem... no 'quick trip'. He has advertised for volunteers to make a one-way trip to set up a permanent colony. As I understand, there have been a few hundred thousand people who have volunteered though most were eliminated in the selection process and there are a hundred that made the cut. The proposed plan is to send some of these volunteers to Mars by 2024.


Hopefully the problems will be addressed to the degree of enabling a relatively safe and successful journey. A disaster on the first attempt may mean a huge psychological setback.
 
Indeed. Currently a trip to Mars would take about seven months to get there. Then, because of orbital mechanics, whoever went would have to stay there for about two years until Earth and Mars again aligned for the return trip which would be another about seven months. So a 'quick trip' to Mars and back will take about three years.

But Elon has an answer to this problem... no 'quick trip'. He has advertised for volunteers to make a one-way trip to set up a permanent colony. As I understand, there have been a few hundred thousand people who have volunteered though most were eliminated in the selection process and there are a hundred that made the cut. The proposed plan is to send some of these volunteers to Mars by 2024.


Hopefully the problems will be addressed to the degree of enabling a relatively safe and successful journey. A disaster on the first attempt may mean a huge psychological setback.
It's still a one way journey, expensive and spectacular suicide-disaster.
 
Indeed. Currently a trip to Mars would take about seven months to get there. Then, because of orbital mechanics, whoever went would have to stay there for about two years until Earth and Mars again aligned for the return trip which would be another about seven months. So a 'quick trip' to Mars and back will take about three years.

But Elon has an answer to this problem... no 'quick trip'. He has advertised for volunteers to make a one-way trip to set up a permanent colony. As I understand, there have been a few hundred thousand people who have volunteered though most were eliminated in the selection process and there are a hundred that made the cut. The proposed plan is to send some of these volunteers to Mars by 2024.


Hopefully the problems will be addressed to the degree of enabling a relatively safe and successful journey. A disaster on the first attempt may mean a huge psychological setback.
It's still a one way journey, expensive and spectacular suicide-disaster.

It looks that way, that there is little chance of success. I hope we are wrong.
 
Yes, Mars is rather inhospitable. That makes it good practice for colonizing even more inhospitable places.
I suppose, like northern New Jersey or Edmonton, Alberta.

Ecological degradation will never drive us to need Mars--the same tech would permit survival on Earth--but there could be more catastrophic things.
President Donald Trump Jr.
 
The Case Against Mars | Boston Review
Contrary to the boosterism of billionaires, the need for space colonization must be argued for, not assumed. And the arguments aren’t good.

Tomorrow a manned orbital rocket will launch from U.S. soil for the first time since the Space Shuttle Program was cancelled in 2011. The astronauts are NASA boys, but the rocket belongs to SpaceX, Elon Musk’s most dazzling corporate brainchild. Though the objectives of this particular mission are modest, the company’s ultimate goal, Mars colonization, is anything but. Musk himself—along with those other ultra-rich space enthusiasts Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson—clearly believes this goal wears its merits on its sleeve. But does it? You might be disappointed if you visit SpaceX’s website seeking to understand the point of these otherworldly ventures. Apart from a will-o’-the-wisp video clip misleadingly titled “The Case for Mars,” there’s nothing there that might count as a sustained justification of this monumental project.

... There have been three broad patterns of attempted justification. The first appeals to evolution, the second to long-term human security, and the last to the expansion of human freedom.
Evolution - a sort of "Manifest Destiny" argument, that here are new places to expand into. But such expansion depends on the feasibility of doing so, and spaceflight continues to be enormously difficult.

Long-term human security - The Sun is slowly brightening, and about 500 - 1000 million years from now, the Earth will become too hot to be easily habitable by us. Its temperature has been maintained by a carbonate-silicate geochemical effect, but that is slowly running out as CO2 levels decline to compensate for the Sun's increased luminosity.

But that's a heck of a long way in the future, and there's plenty of time to devise the necessary technologies for getting off of our planet.

What about freedom? There’s a strong strain of libertarianism among recent space expansionists (as well as among many Silicon Valley types, especially when it comes to the regulation of technology), but it is not obvious that the project will enhance human freedom overall, whether for remaining Terrans or in space. This is in large measure a product of the perpetual war footing on which such adventurism will place us all. Each world in the space archipelago can legitimize steep political hierarchies as a necessary means for dealing with perceived external threats. And such security-based political hierarchies inevitably bring more or less severe restrictions of individual liberties, at least for those on the bottom of the heap.

...
The association of space expansion with the preservation and expansion of individual freedom is probably extremely dubious. Space expansion, far from being a form of freedom insurance, is more likely to produce the perfection of despotism and the complete subordination of the individual to the collective. Those who value individual liberty should be strong skeptics and opponents of space expansion, not enthusiastic supporters.
I like this response also: Space Cadets - Charlie's Diary - it would be everybody living close together in a tin can, rather than spread out. Sea voyaging isn't nearly as culturally salient now as it was for before half a century ago, but living aboard a ship is the closest approximation to living in a spacecraft that is readily accessible. Air vehicles are typically airborne for only a few hours, and submarines are usually inhabited only by military crews or by researchers.


My own position: it's not worth the trouble to try to colonize Mars, because it would be easier to build free-flying space colonies. But it is definitely worth exploring with remote-controlled spacecraft. They have proven their worth by an enormous amount, so we should do more, more, more of that kind of exploration, even if it means no human space travelers anywhere in sight.

We must go to Mars, because it's there. Mankind has always had the explorer gene built in. Our technology may even allow us to transform the place and make it habitual.........again.
 
Indeed. Currently a trip to Mars would take about seven months to get there. Then, because of orbital mechanics, whoever went would have to stay there for about two years until Earth and Mars again aligned for the return trip which would be another about seven months. So a 'quick trip' to Mars and back will take about three years.

But Elon has an answer to this problem... no 'quick trip'. He has advertised for volunteers to make a one-way trip to set up a permanent colony. As I understand, there have been a few hundred thousand people who have volunteered though most were eliminated in the selection process and there are a hundred that made the cut. The proposed plan is to send some of these volunteers to Mars by 2024.

How about rounding up a bunch of jihadists and send them on a one way trip to Mars. That way you kill two birds with one stone. I'm sure most may go voluntarily if told they'll meet Allah in person there.
 
Yes, Mars is rather inhospitable. That makes it good practice for colonizing even more inhospitable places.
I suppose, like northern New Jersey or Edmonton, Alberta.

I'm thinking more along the lines of places like Mercury (there are places near the poles where you can dig in deep enough and have a comfortable temperature!) or Titan. And these are all precursors to the slowboats assuming there's no FTL solution.

Ecological degradation will never drive us to need Mars--the same tech would permit survival on Earth--but there could be more catastrophic things.
President Donald Trump Jr.

Yeah, he could be quite a problem.
 
Indeed. Currently a trip to Mars would take about seven months to get there. Then, because of orbital mechanics, whoever went would have to stay there for about two years until Earth and Mars again aligned for the return trip which would be another about seven months. So a 'quick trip' to Mars and back will take about three years.

But Elon has an answer to this problem... no 'quick trip'. He has advertised for volunteers to make a one-way trip to set up a permanent colony. As I understand, there have been a few hundred thousand people who have volunteered though most were eliminated in the selection process and there are a hundred that made the cut. The proposed plan is to send some of these volunteers to Mars by 2024.

How about rounding up a bunch of jihadists and send them on a one way trip to Mars. That way you kill two birds with one stone. I'm sure most may go voluntarily if told they'll meet Allah in person there.

I don't think they would. They're interested in imposing their ideas on all Muslims and then everyone, not merely having a society of only fellow believers.
 
Yes, you're correct. The need to conquer for Allah is too great. But then again, conquering a whole planet for the glory of their Allah should surely assure they go straight to paradise and receive their 72 virgins.
 
Indeed. Currently a trip to Mars would take about seven months to get there. Then, because of orbital mechanics, whoever went would have to stay there for about two years until Earth and Mars again aligned for the return trip which would be another about seven months. So a 'quick trip' to Mars and back will take about three years.

But Elon has an answer to this problem... no 'quick trip'. He has advertised for volunteers to make a one-way trip to set up a permanent colony. As I understand, there have been a few hundred thousand people who have volunteered though most were eliminated in the selection process and there are a hundred that made the cut. The proposed plan is to send some of these volunteers to Mars by 2024.

I wish I knew how they planned to make it self sustaining. I don't think they can send enough technology to reproduce the tech that breaks/wears out, and dropping back to a lower level would mean they won't survive. Do they envisage a steady stream of supply ships?
 
It's beyond present tech ATM to sustain even a 3-4 crew on Mars for too long, let alone a tiny colony. But the key word here is..........ATM. Who knows what's around the corner in a decade or two.
 
It's beyond present tech ATM to sustain even a 3-4 crew on Mars for too long, let alone a tiny colony. But the key word here is..........ATM. Who knows what's around the corner in a decade or two.

What good would having an ATM on Mars do? It's millions of kilometres to the nearest shop, there's no postal service to deliver a new card when yours expires, and the security truck wouldn't be able to get there to restock it, so it would run out of banknotes after the first long weekend anyway.
 
It's beyond present tech ATM to sustain even a 3-4 crew on Mars for too long, let alone a tiny colony. But the key word here is..........ATM. Who knows what's around the corner in a decade or two.

What good would having an ATM on Mars do? It's millions of kilometres to the nearest shop, there's no postal service to deliver a new card when yours expires, and the security truck wouldn't be able to get there to restock it, so it would run out of banknotes after the first long weekend anyway.

And like any other deployment, after the long weekend, all the money in the world ends up in the hands of the guy who hoarded the last candy bar.
 
Indeed. Currently a trip to Mars would take about seven months to get there. Then, because of orbital mechanics, whoever went would have to stay there for about two years until Earth and Mars again aligned for the return trip which would be another about seven months. So a 'quick trip' to Mars and back will take about three years.

But Elon has an answer to this problem... no 'quick trip'. He has advertised for volunteers to make a one-way trip to set up a permanent colony. As I understand, there have been a few hundred thousand people who have volunteered though most were eliminated in the selection process and there are a hundred that made the cut. The proposed plan is to send some of these volunteers to Mars by 2024.

I wish I knew how they planned to make it self sustaining. I don't think they can send enough technology to reproduce the tech that breaks/wears out, and dropping back to a lower level would mean they won't survive. Do they envisage a steady stream of supply ships?

Yup, it takes a lot of people to maintain a technological society, even if you replace many of the specialists by telepresence.
 
It's beyond present tech ATM to sustain even a 3-4 crew on Mars for too long, let alone a tiny colony. But the key word here is..........ATM. Who knows what's around the corner in a decade or two.

What good would having an ATM on Mars do? It's millions of kilometres to the nearest shop, there's no postal service to deliver a new card when yours expires, and the security truck wouldn't be able to get there to restock it, so it would run out of banknotes after the first long weekend anyway.

Haven't you heard! The Rover took some very clear images of a McDonald's on Mars. There's bound to be a shopping mall nearby with likely more than one ATM!
 
Why, there's even an armed guard protecting said ATM machine.

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